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So is BGIII a pipe dream?

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DarkPalestine

Dec 1, 2012 7:25 am GMT
So they couldn't even release it without major bugs, after delaying release.

They didn't upgrade the graphics because the originals were lost and they didn't have the ability to do it themselves (even though amateur Elder Scroll modders have been making better graphics for years).

The new content that was implemented is just so-so.

So are these really the people you would want trying to create a sequel from scratch?
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gkovac

Dec 1, 2012 9:54 am GMT
BG3 is just a pretense to squeeze even more money out of this sham. Devs are like: We may be making BG3 guys, but we are piss poor, so you better buy this wanna be remake and support us if you ever want to see BG3 happen.
kroonermanblack

Dec 1, 2012 1:06 pm GMT
DarkPalestine posted...
So they couldn't even release it without major bugs, after delaying release.

They didn't upgrade the graphics because the originals were lost and they didn't have the ability to do it themselves (even though amateur Elder Scroll modders have been making better graphics for years).

The new content that was implemented is just so-so.

So are these really the people you would want trying to create a sequel from scratch?

Do you know the difference between working with 3d models instead of sprites? Because you don't seem to.

And the game was not a creation effort. It was a revisal effort. It was not within scope to recreate all assets from scratch just to redo the graphics. Because if it was so fast and easy, then surely those amateur modders could have done it to BG1, right?

There's a difference between being hamstrung by 3-4 different corporate owners, and creating a game from the ground up. Budgeting is different.

But no, the BG3 thing was stupid from the word go, and a pretty giant and glaring pressure attempt. 3rd grade psychology.
CChaplin

Dec 1, 2012 9:18 pm GMT
With fans like this game has, yeah. BG3 is a pipe dream. I swear, I haven't heard such since the Star Wars prequels.

The major thing you have to understand is that they weren't allowed to change *anything*. The only creative work they got to do was the three new NPCs and anything related to that - which includes a minimum of additional lines for other characters. Their hands weren't just tied here, they were encased in molten led and left to cool.

The feasibility of BG3 hinges on three things: 1) how well the first two sell, 2) how well they're received, and 3) how the new NPCs are received. If Rasaad, Dorn, and Neera become the new Jaheira, Minsc, and Imoen, that will go a long way to cementing the potential of BG3 - because that's the only bit of writing they were allowed to do on this bleeding game.
Lunaticccc

Dec 1, 2012 10:10 pm GMT
BG3 was never anything but an attempt to latch a new DnD game onto the BG series name. When these guys talked about "a new game" it was exactly the same as Interplay did it. Bioware ended the BG Saga with ToB. There is no "And the next day. . ."

WotC still holds all the cards when it comes to anything Forgotten Realms related, and they seem to be a bit anti-CRPG these days.
Mogan

Dec 2, 2012 12:31 am GMT
From: Lunaticccc | #005
WotC still holds all the cards when it comes to anything Forgotten Realms related, and they seem to be a bit anti-CRPG these days.

Well, that would explain Daggerdale. :p
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RyoKaiba

Dec 2, 2012 11:56 am GMT
Never really saw the point in a BGIII in the first place. After the events of ToB, the Main Character's story is essentially over.
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UponADarkThorne

Dec 3, 2012 12:07 am GMT
The point of a Baldur's Gate III would be a game in the same style as the first two.

Each Infinity Engine game series was different; Icewind Dale focused on combat and dungeon crawling, Planescape: Torment focused on story and character development, and Baldur's Gate was a balance between the two.

So a Baldur's Gate III wouldn't be related to the Bhaalspawn saga, but it would be a game that balanced combat with story telling.

Hell, the two Icewind Dale games were mostly unrelated - a few callbacks, but all in all were two different storylines.
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Mwulf

Dec 3, 2012 12:25 am GMT
If it were unrelated to Baldur's Gate, there'd be no point in calling the game Baldur's Gate III.

Obviously, the Bhaalspawn Saga is over... but that doesn't mean a BG3 couldn't follow up on it and expand upon it with a new cast. For example, BG2's plot was built by making a certain party canon in BG1, so the same could happen with BG3 re: BG2's endings. The easiest would be to take the Charname-doesn't-become-a-god endings because they would remove the original player character from the story, and set up some weird vacuum-of-power stuff for the gods to play around with. Maybe the final boss of BG3 could by Cyric?

If the game is unrelated to Baldur's Gate, it shouldn't be called BG3. It should be given a sub-title like the Dark Alliance games, or a new name altogether.
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UponADarkThorne

Dec 3, 2012 2:32 pm GMT
Mwulf posted...
If it were unrelated to Baldur's Gate, there'd be no point in calling the game Baldur's Gate III.

Obviously, the Bhaalspawn Saga is over... but that doesn't mean a BG3 couldn't follow up on it and expand upon it with a new cast. For example, BG2's plot was built by making a certain party canon in BG1, so the same could happen with BG3 re: BG2's endings. The easiest would be to take the Charname-doesn't-become-a-god endings because they would remove the original player character from the story, and set up some weird vacuum-of-power stuff for the gods to play around with. Maybe the final boss of BG3 could by Cyric?

If the game is unrelated to Baldur's Gate, it shouldn't be called BG3. It should be given a sub-title like the Dark Alliance games, or a new name altogether.

To me, what makes a game series isn't a story continuity, but a thematic one.

If there was a Dungeons & Dragons game that took place in the Sword Coast, balanced character development with combat, even if the storyline was unrelated to the Bhaalspawn saga, I would still think it would have the right to be called a Baldur's Gate game.

What made Dark Alliance need a subtitle wasn't that it wasn't related to the Bhaalspawn saga, at least in my opinion, but the fact that it was a radically different game.
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Xkalibure

Dec 3, 2012 3:07 pm GMT
They basically made BG3, it was called Neverwinter Nights. Took place on the Sword Coast and had nothing to do with the Bhaalspawn.
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Mwulf

Dec 3, 2012 4:39 pm GMT
Which, if anything, strengthens my argument that the Baldur's Gate series should only apply to Bhaalspawn-tied games, because if they didn't, there'd be no point in calling them Baldur's Gate at all.
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AndrewRogue

Dec 4, 2012 8:45 am GMT
DarkPalestine posted...
They didn't upgrade the graphics because the originals were lost and they didn't have the ability to do it themselves (even though amateur Elder Scroll modders have been making better graphics for years).

Okay. I want to say. Despite being fairly defensive of BG:EE, there are real issues with the release.

That said, how stupid are you?

You are basically asking them to redraw the ENTIRE game and pretending it is nothing.
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MateoRinghead

Dec 5, 2012 11:55 am GMT
It would be nice if they made a BGIII of sorts, but at the rate people are whining about EE not being all the things it was never meant to be, I'm scared we might not even get a BG2:EE (or other new content for this game, which people don't seem to realize is in the works). I know that the second game will be pretty close to the same if they 'upgrade' it, but putting in new NPCs and classes (and carrying over the 3 characters from this game to the next) would make it a worthwhile buy for me. I mean Christ people, it's only $20. People who buy a new, unplayable Sonic game for 3x the price don't complain this much, and this is considered one of the best games of all time.

AndrewRogue posted...
You are basically asking them to redraw the ENTIRE game and pretending it is nothing.

TREAT ME LIKE A STRANGER AND IT FEELS SO ROUGH