Has Borderlands 2 changed your opinion of any of the first four vault hunters?
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Oct 3, 2012 12:11 pm GMT
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As the title says.
This game, their personalities have been really fleshed out.
I used to really dislike Brick, but after B2, I think he might be my favorite of the originals.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:13 pm GMT
I feel the opposite.....I loved Brick cause he was just a crazed berserk maniac....Now he seems like the tough black character that roland isn't.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:16 pm GMT
Lilith has always been my girl.. and still is.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:16 pm GMT
I thought Roland would sound ghetto, despite being a mocha god.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:17 pm GMT
I did'nt really play with Mordica all that much in the first but I feel that the drunk personalitly really fits him for some reason
Oct 3, 2012 12:17 pm GMT
Honestly, I didn't like Brick and Mordecai in the original, but now I'm having a hard time deciding which of the two is my favorite character. Assumed Lilith was a badass 'cause of powers, and dunno why, but I always thought Roland was the man
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Oct 3, 2012 12:19 pm GMT
I played as Brick in the first game. I liked where they went with him. A crazy berzerker butthole who likes to punch and kill people became king of the bandits. Make sense to me.
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I pictured Brick much differently and I think his voice actor didn't do him justice. I really liked Brick in BL1, so I was disappointed. Everyone else was great.
Oct 3, 2012 12:23 pm GMT
Not sure I appreciated how much they seem to have played down strength/ability wise concerning stuff like Wilhelm and getting held hostage, etc.
I mean, these guys killed The Destroyer (who I can only assume is close to or on par with The Warrior), defeated the Atlas army and General Knoxx, and slew Crawmerax (evidently cannon seeing as Mordecai mentions in one of his conversation idles to you). Not to mention all the crap they killed between all that. They basically got played out as bumbling incompetents JUST for the sake of peddling the fact that the new 4 are more powerful. I know 'plot', but still.
Other than that, I quite liked their characterisation bar Mordecai. Though that's most because I imagined him as a cocky, somewhat sarcastic snarker from his kill talk in BL1. Wasn't expecting an alcoholic has-been in BL2, but it worked, wasn't bad by any means.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:22 pm GMT
Ravetown posted...I pictured Brick much differently and I think his voice actor didn't do him justice. I really liked Brick in BL1, so I was disappointed. Everyone else was great.
He has the same VA...so it would be the writer/director's fault.
Brick is really awesome in BL2. The ones who turned out crap are Lilith and Mordecai. One's a drug addict with weak ass story-line powers. And the other is a drunk with a bird fetish.
Oct 3, 2012 12:25 pm GMT
Atrabilious posted...Not sure I appreciated how much they seem to have played down strength/ability wise concerning stuff like Wilhelm and getting held hostage, etc.
I mean, these guys killed The Destroyer (who I can only assume is close to or on par with The Warrior), defeated the Atlas army and General Knoxx, and slew Crawmerax (evidently cannon seeing as Mordecai mentions in one of his conversation idles to you). Not to mention all the crap they killed between all that. They basically got played out as bumbling incompetents JUST for the sake of peddling the fact that the new 4 are more powerful. I know 'plot', but still.
Other than that, I quite liked their characterisation bar Mordecai. Though that's most because I imagined him as a cocky, somewhat sarcastic snarker from his kill talk in BL1. Wasn't expecting an alcoholic has-been in BL2, but it worked, wasn't bad by any means.
Jack let Wilhelm lose.
Oct 3, 2012 12:28 pm GMT
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Yeah, that's one thing I don't understand..... the original's wussification.
Though, I get the feeling the canon setup was they took out the Destroyer as a group...
Then with Mordi getting Moxxi... losing her and then becoming a drunk... they lose him, and Brick and Roland have a fallout.
So as a group they were strong, but individually...... not so much.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:29 pm GMT
Kind of view them all as a bit more badass Except Roland..I've never liked that guy.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:32 pm GMT
Kind of besides the point. Wilhelm is just a Hyperion engineer in a bigger version of their normal mech suits. If Wilhelm is so powerful that he can trash the original 4 who killed an eridian sealed Eldritch abomination in a Vault and a giant craw worm known for being invincible, just how powerful is he exactly?
Either he's tougher than everything the original 4 ever fought which is hard to believe, or they really overplayed his power to downplay the original 4..
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Oct 3, 2012 12:33 pm GMT
Trentzombee posted...Jack let Wilhelm lose.
That's only speculation. It does seem plausible, but it's never brought up at all in the story or dialogue. Angel only says he modified the power core to have a hyperion up-link. It's more plausible that he did so, in case you defeated Wilhelm. He could have been counting on you to die there. We don't know.
Darque posted...<spoilers>
Yeah, that's one thing I don't understand..... the original's wussification.
Though, I get the feeling the canon setup was they took out the Destroyer as a group...
Then with Mordi getting Moxxi... losing her and then becoming a drunk... they lose him, and Brick and Roland have a fallout.
So as a group they were strong, but individually...... not so much.
If they intend on keeping the rest of the VH's for BL3. Then it only makes sense that you also play as all the VH's in BL2 as well. This is something I wish they would address. Either only one VH survived, and who you play as doesn't matter. Or they all survived, and they're with you for story sake.
Schesparn posted...I don't think I ever realized Mordecai was, like, hispanic. Except for the nigh-Luchadore mask he wore in the first one, haha.
When I mentioned that to my friend, he got mad. He's a huge Japanophile and thought Mordecai was Asian. I was like...listen to him talk?
Oct 3, 2012 12:34 pm GMT
Canonically, I never really expected Mordecai to drink. That was odd. Also didn't expect him to go after Moxxi. Not surprised by that one, just didn't expect it to be canon.
And as was stated, didn't know he was Hispanic. He didn't speak with much of an accent, or throw any Spanish into his idle chat.
Other than that, nothing too out of the ordinary/unexpected.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:35 pm GMT
You have to take into account that the first four aren't really vault hunters any more. Three are resistance fighters, and one's a bandit clan leader. (At the start of the game anyway. By end of game, they're hybrid revolutionaries/vault hunter comebacks, and one's a corpse)
BL2 gave them actual personalities and quirks, other than being mass-murdering treasure hunters. I liked how they are depicted in BL2. Nothing against BL1, but it did lack in the plot and player character development departments.
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Oct 3, 2012 12:37 pm GMT
Fungum posted...
If they intend on keeping the rest of the VH's for BL3. Then it only makes sense that you also play as all the VH's in BL2 as well. This is something I wish they would address. Either only one VH survived, and who you play as doesn't matter. Or they all survived, and they're with you for story sake.
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Watch the credits, they have little comics of all of the VHs....
The new 4 praised as heros.
Lilith taking over the Crimson Raiders.
Brick and Tina killing Hyperion people.
Mordi getting a new pet....looked kind of like a fledgeling Rakk.
So clearly the new 4 all survived.
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