Why did this get a 9.5?

[QUOTE="TenderBabyMeat"][QUOTE="GamerOuTLaWz"]

Any PC gamer should have a controller so many games are designed to be played with that.
 

[/QUOTE] Wrong, CONSOLE games are designed to be played with a gamepad. PC games as a general rule are not. Know which ones are typically in need of a pad? Ports. Yes yes, I get it, this is a console port. Guess what, don't care. Didn't buy the console version for a reason (several, actually). I'm a PC gamer, and as such I expect my controls to be tailored to that. Furthermore, as a PC gamer, I expect my graphics to reflect what my system is capable of, which is far and above what a 7 year old console can do. There shouldn't have to be a mod community fix because the developer should have done it in the first place. Maybe this game has merit, wouldn't know, was far too disgusted with the drawbacks to waste my time on it more than I did. Do not excuse the developer from second or third rate work. They screwed the pooch on this one and don't deserve a community sticking up for them just because the console version was so well done.[/QUOTE]

Boo **** hoo. This is exactly what I'd expect from an overly entitled example of the "PC gaming master race". There's so much wrong with your paragraph that I'm honestly going to have a difficult time picking it into bits, but here goes.

You don't deserve better graphics and texture resolution simply because PCs can handle it. You can get exactly what everyone else gets, which frankly, should be enough. Stop acting like the developers should pander to you when the developers took six months of time that could have been spent making another best selling game TO pander to people's requests.

And PC games as a general rule not being designed for a game pad is **** 90% of platformers, fighters/brawlers/slashers, and some top-down shooters and RPGs are designed with gamepads in mind, and made specifically for PC. You know why? Because controls aren't fit for platform, they're fit for genre. An arcade stick will always be best for 2D fighting games. A gamepad will always be best for spectacle fighters. A joystick will always be best for flight sims. And a keyboard and mouse will always be best for FPS and RTS. 

And the community's sticking up for them because the community is the reason this happened. From Soft said from the start that they had no idea how to make a PC game, they warned us. We asked for them to do it anyways because we wanted Souls on the PC, and we figured that even if this didn't pan out exactly as we wanted it to, modders could fix it up to a playable state. Plus, From Soft needed some experience on the PC if any of their later games are to be both on the PC, and decent. 

Also, you passed on a game due to graphics? Didn't people just get OFF the graphics wave? And I mean, even the people on that wave were primarily console gamers. PC gamers should be used to games with crap graphics, because some of the best PC games that exist are a decade or more old. 
 
But fine, remain set in your ignorant ways. Not like there aren't enough morons on the Internet.  

[QUOTE="TenderBabyMeat"][QUOTE="Justchaos"]

[QUOTE="TenderBabyMeat"][QUOTE="GamerOuTLaWz"]

Any PC gamer should have a controller so many games are designed to be played with that.
 

[/QUOTE] Wrong, CONSOLE games are designed to be played with a gamepad. PC games as a general rule are not. Know which ones are typically in need of a pad? Ports. Yes yes, I get it, this is a console port. Guess what, don't care. Didn't buy the console version for a reason (several, actually). I'm a PC gamer, and as such I expect my controls to be tailored to that. Furthermore, as a PC gamer, I expect my graphics to reflect what my system is capable of, which is far and above what a 7 year old console can do. There shouldn't have to be a mod community fix because the developer should have done it in the first place. Maybe this game has merit, wouldn't know, was far too disgusted with the drawbacks to waste my time on it more than I did. Do not excuse the developer from second or third rate work. They screwed the pooch on this one and don't deserve a community sticking up for them just because the console version was so well done.[/QUOTE]You don't deserve better graphics and texture resolution simply because PCs can handle it. You can get exactly what everyone else gets, which frankly, should be enough. Stop acting like the developers should pander to you when the developers took six months of time that could have been spent making another best selling game TO pander to people's requests.[/QUOTE] Spoken like a true console puppy. Hey, I'm happy for you that you are well pleased with the best that your console can provide for you. Consoles are cute, and I'm glad to see that they make you smile. I have a system that is capable of far more, however, and as such I have a higher sense of expectation. So NO, what they put out here IS NOT enough and I will NOT settle for second rate decade old visuals simply because that adorable little console just cant keep up. Absolutely I expect the developer to pander to me, seeing as how they expect me to GIVE THEM MY MONEY for their product. If this were a FTP, port or no, then I would keep my mouth shut and be happy that I get to partake in what all the gamepad jockeys were clambering about. But they want my money, and I want a product that is worth what they are asking. They FAILED. Miserably. They didn't say, "hey, we aren't PC programmers but we'll give it our best shot and if you don't like it you can have your money back". So I will do my damnedest to make sure no one else gets taken for a ride and ripped off. You drink your koolaid and enjoy a second-rate product. I'm going to hold them to a higher level of product and keep my expectations up so I get what my hard earned money is worth.

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I'm a PC gamer, actually.  Try not to be so presumptuous, it makes you look like more of an imbecile. And attempts at belittlement simply prove to me how shallow your argument is. 

A) I shouldn't even have to point out to you that a "decade old" game would have been back in the PS2 era, and that the game is only about a year old. Sure, sure, the consoles are getting close to being a decade old (Even though they still aren't actually a decade old, as I'll have you know that a decade is TEN years. Try to memorize that one.), but the games that are being made for consoles are still evolving as far as graphics are concerned. Hell, the best looking games I've ever seen are on the PS3. Just take a look at the Uncharted series, and Journey. Very few games come close to the level of detail of either of those games on a frame-to-frame basis. 

B) Of course developers shouldn't pander to you. They should release their product, fix any bugs or glitches, and potentially rebalance the game if it is absolutely needed, and even that's only really for PVP. If From Software had pandered to their playerbase from the start, this game never would have been made. Their previous game would have just been another boring old ARPG if they had nerfed it into the ground when people started /femaledog/ing. When I first played that game I hated it because it was too hard, and I would have loved for them to make it into an easier game. But I played through it anyways, and past the first hour or two, it just got more and more fun as I went, eventually becoming one of the best games I've ever played. 

And of course, there's the other kind of pandering, that's less gameplay oriented. It simply comes down to this : They created a game, and they brought it over to the PC in 100% working order. Anything past that is pandering. You got what everyone else got, stop acting like you deserve more just because you're entitled and think that your platform earns you special rights. It doesn't. Not unless developers decide they want it to. 

And before you say "Eueehh, but it doesn't work properly! The keyboard and mouse is aaaaall fracked up!", that is geniunely because this game is too complicated for a keyboard and mouse. There's just too many buttons you'll need to press in a combat scenario. For an RTS this would be fine, you could just pause the game and press the buttons as quick or as slow as you please. When you've got a dragon barreling towards you, it's a bit more difficult to utilize the proper hand gymnastics to lock on, roll, scroll through your mini-inventory and press E if you need to heal (which, in this game, you probably do), two hand your weapon, and then sprint to catch the dragon to attack it in under about 1-2 seconds before it turns around again and eats your face off. 

All of that is both easier and more comfortable with a controller. That is undeniable, especially so if you haven't even tried both. It isn't From Soft's fault that a keyboard and mouse is simply unfit for the game they wanted to make, and if they decided to make it more friendly for a keyboard and mouse, they would have to severely dumb it down. 

And C) I'm sick and tired of your only argument being about graphics. What kind of moron are you to simply ignore a potentially good game because it doesn't look good enough for you? You're a PC gamer, and I mentioned this before, but it's worth doing so again : Some of the best games on PC look like crap. Seriously, you act more like a console gamer than I'd expect from someone on this platform. 

TL; DR "MAMMY, MAMMY, Y U NO BUY THE 16-BIT CONSOLE?????"

Learn to like the game for the game as a whole, don't just pick something out and decide "Psh, texture resolution not good enough? MUST BE A BAD GAME."

Play it or shut up, as you clearly don't know what you're talking about. 
 

[QUOTE="TenderBabyMeat"][QUOTE="Justchaos"]I'm a PC gamer, actually.  Try not to be so presumptuous, it makes you look like more of an imbecile. And attempts at belittlement simply prove to me how shallow your argument is. 

A) I shouldn't even have to point out to you that a "decade old" game would have been back in the PS2 era, and that the game is only about a year old. Sure, sure, the consoles are getting close to being a decade old (Even though they still aren't actually a decade old, as I'll have you know that a decade is TEN years. Try to memorize that one.), but the games that are being made for consoles are still evolving as far as graphics are concerned. Hell, the best looking games I've ever seen are on the PS3. Just take a look at the Uncharted series, and Journey. Very few games come close to the level of detail of either of those games on a frame-to-frame basis. 

B) Of course developers shouldn't pander to you. They should release their product, fix any bugs or glitches, and potentially rebalance the game if it is absolutely needed, and even that's only really for PVP. If From Software had pandered to their playerbase from the start, this game never would have been made. Their previous game would have just been another boring old ARPG if they had nerfed it into the ground when people started /femaledog/ing. When I first played that game I hated it because it was too hard, and I would have loved for them to make it into an easier game. But I played through it anyways, and past the first hour or two, it just got more and more fun as I went, eventually becoming one of the best games I've ever played. 

And of course, there's the other kind of pandering, that's less gameplay oriented. It simply comes down to this : They created a game, and they brought it over to the PC in 100% working order. Anything past that is pandering. You got what everyone else got, stop acting like you deserve more just because you're entitled and think that your platform earns you special rights. It doesn't. Not unless developers decide they want it to. 

And before you say "Eueehh, but it doesn't work properly! The keyboard and mouse is aaaaall fracked up!", that is geniunely because this game is too complicated for a keyboard and mouse. There's just too many buttons you'll need to press in a combat scenario. For an RTS this would be fine, you could just pause the game and press the buttons as quick or as slow as you please. When you've got a dragon barreling towards you, it's a bit more difficult to utilize the proper hand gymnastics to lock on, roll, scroll through your mini-inventory and press E if you need to heal (which, in this game, you probably do), two hand your weapon, and then sprint to catch the dragon to attack it in under about 1-2 seconds before it turns around again and eats your face off. 

All of that is both easier and more comfortable with a controller. That is undeniable, especially so if you haven't even tried both. It isn't From Soft's fault that a keyboard and mouse is simply unfit for the game they wanted to make, and if they decided to make it more friendly for a keyboard and mouse, they would have to severely dumb it down. 

And C) I'm sick and tired of your only argument being about graphics. What kind of moron are you to simply ignore a potentially good game because it doesn't look good enough for you? You're a PC gamer, and I mentioned this before, but it's worth doing so again : Some of the best games on PC look like crap. Seriously, you act more like a console gamer than I'd expect from someone on this platform. 

TL; DR "MAMMY, MAMMY, Y U NO BUY THE 16-BIT CONSOLE?????"

Learn to like the game for the game as a whole, don't just pick something out and decide "Psh, texture resolution not good enough? MUST BE A BAD GAME."

Play it or shut up, as you clearly don't know what you're talking about. 
 [/QUOTE] Not so much with the reading there, skippy? OK, lemme break it down for you since you clearly subscribe the the TL;DR mentality yourself. First off, I pointed out quite accurately in my original post that the consoles were 7 years old. I lumped it up into a decade to demonstrate the point. SSecond, thegraphics are FAR from the only argument I am making. The meat of the matter is just exactly what you as (what I like to term) a terrible consumer are willing to tolerate as acceptable. I call you a terrible consumer because your standards for what is 'good' is clearly so subpar that you and those like you are essentially permitting these developers to put out half-assed products and still pay them for it. And you smile about it like a derp and pass along the good news to your friends that another second rate hunk of crap piece of software has been released and we should all be thankful. I'm not saying the game is too hard, so I'm sorry it gave you some trouble, and you deserve a nice piece of candy for sticking with it. you champ you, I'm saying it was done poorly. And don't even dream of giving me that "herp derp, this game is too complex for mouse and keyboard, lulz" arguement. I've been gaming a long damn time junior, and seen games just as if not more complex than this that pulled it off JUUUUUUUUUST fine. At the very least they had the friggin on screen prompts coincide with the UNIVERSAL input devices of the friggin system they released it on. Oh yeah, skippy, I know exactly what I'm talkin about, if you want to have some clue what that is... go back and actually read my post before you try to comment, You're only proving to be the bigger imbecile.[/QUOTE]

As I said, you haven't played it, you wouldn't know. This debate has no place to go except in another circle, so I've decided I don't need to waste my time. Several of the points you've made simply imply you didn't read what I say, and others are just wrong. Though, if you'd like to continue this argument, you can just reread what I said, and keep making replies to it, as that's how this would go anyhow. Have a nice time, pal.