The Universal Fallout 3 Board FAQ *Read First / Potential Spoilers*
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- Dec 18, 2008 9:17 am GMT^ Please back that with facts and not anecdotes or speculation.
Are you kidding? Take a look at most of the game-related questions being asked on this board. What percentage of them have an answer in one or more of the FAQs? - Dec 18, 2008 9:22 am GMT[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]
- Dec 18, 2008 9:26 am GMTCheck your reading comprehension. I said "many, many people" don't read the FAQs, not "no one" reads the FAQs. I didn't even opine on percentages, just absolute numbers. Again, look at the number of topics on this board asking the same questions.
Also... you may want to look at who the authors of this topic are before declaring me a troll. Reading comprehension again. - Dec 18, 2008 11:16 am GMTShoo troll
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Where's the beef? - Dec 18, 2008 11:25 am GMTTranslation: "I got pwned and have no valid comeback."
Someone else to add to my ignore list. - Dec 18, 2008 2:02 pm GMTOops, didn't see that, and to answer your question I am illiterate, but its no laughing matter
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RE5 better recieve a perfect score after how long its been in production - Dec 18, 2008 5:22 pm GMTThis is an awesome guide, thank you TC, i love you.
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"I don't care if you're Darth Jesus. Does that make sense to anyone?" - Dec 18, 2008 6:07 pm GMTBut somehow, the massive volume of stupid questions hasn't gone down a bit. I get so sick of the entire first page being about
1: "OMG howz I get dog?"
2: "Lol i need munniez?"
3: "Where do I find (x) itemz?"
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"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." - Dec 18, 2008 11:03 pm GMT[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]
- Dec 19, 2008 8:26 am GMTall of which (Luck excluded) come to govern a variety of skills depending on said attribute.
Stopped reading there. I hate it when people use "said" in that context.
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... it's not a normal time bomb. - Cloud. - Dec 19, 2008 8:55 am GMTStopped reading there. I hate it when people use "said" in that context.
I care.
I really do.
= )
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Music is my Religion... - Jimi Hendrix - Dec 19, 2008 2:02 pm GMTI got 1000/1000 Gamerpoints WOOO YEAH BOI!!!!! OWWWWW
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i killed every body in the first town the blowerd it up and then killer evey but but the chang guy in the tower what now im lost-CADE FOSTER on Fallout 3 - Dec 19, 2008 9:22 pm GMTI got 1000/1000 Gamerpoints WOOO YEAH BOI!!!!! OWWWWW
*E-Rages*
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Music is my Religion... - Jimi Hendrix - Dec 21, 2008 1:07 am GMT
Two points to make. First, I have no problem with the 20% health requirement of Nerd Rage. It's very useful for my character with a strength of 4 (adds 60 lbs to her encumbrance) when doing loot runs. Furthermore, first, the only reason I heal over 20% is to get rid of the annoying heart throb noise, and second, unless you're playing on harder difficulties or fighting particularly hard monsters (at which point you should be fighting, not doing loot runs) it's not like you're actually going to lose 10-15% of your health in one hit. Also, the additional 50% DR means that last 20% is effectively the last 30% (exact amount depends on your DR before adding the perk).
Second, where in the game does it "clearly state" that Fawkes is female? If you read the Chief Physician entry that says D624 is one of the female specimens, and think that because Fawkes' cell identifies him/her/it as D624 makes Fawkes female, you are wrong (which is the only thing I can vaguely correlate to Fawkes being female). If you read all the entries, you note that specimen B440 died and had an autopsy, yet the cell labeled "B440" has a living centaur in it, specimen C376 lost most of his male indicators and his skin hardened, yet cell C376 contains an obviously-male human with normal skin, cell B164 contains not one female, but two females and one male, none of whom have lost their sex indicators or have hardened skin, and finally, the entries state all five specimens were scheduled to be terminated because they had severe bouts of rage and anxiety. Combine these with the first entry talking about "continual pressure from Vault-Tec" and it seems obvious the specimens the cells are labeled for are 200-years dead, and Fawkes' history has nothing to do with those. - Dec 21, 2008 1:10 am GMT(That said, the rest of the FAQ is well-written, and I particularly appreciate the specific information on finding Bobbleheads, as opposed to "it's in this vague area".)
- Dec 21, 2008 1:34 am GMT(That said, the rest of the FAQ is well-written, and I particularly appreciate the specific information on finding Bobbleheads, as opposed to "it's in this vague area".)
Glad its helping out. = )
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Music is my Religion... - Jimi Hendrix - Dec 21, 2008 1:49 am GMTSecond, where in the game does it "clearly state" that Fawkes is female? If you read the Chief Physician entry that says D624 is one of the female specimens, and think that because Fawkes' cell identifies him/her/it as D624 makes Fawkes female, you are wrong (which is the only thing I can vaguely correlate to Fawkes being female).
Actually this is more than enough evidence to suggest Fawkes was indeed Female prior to F.E.V exposure, the fact that both Males and Females develop identically leaves no evidence indicating Fawke's gender apart from the history provided in the Terminals.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fawkes
If you read all the entries, you note that specimen B440 died and had an autopsy, yet the cell labeled "B440" has a living centaur in it, specimen C376 lost most of his male indicators and his skin hardened, yet cell C376 contains an obviously-male human with normal skin, cell B164 contains not one female, but two females and one male, none of whom have lost their sex indicators or have hardened skin, and finally, the entries state all five specimens were scheduled to be terminated because they had severe bouts of rage and anxiety. Combine these with the first entry talking about "continual pressure from Vault-Tec" and it seems obvious the specimens the cells are labeled for are 200-years dead, and Fawkes' history has nothing to do with those.
Super Mutants are biologically Immortal and can only be killed via external means:
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Super_mutant
Be it 200 years or 500 years, time is an irrelevant factor and an even weaker argument.
Fawkes also notes being unable to recall how long she has been sealed away in her Cell, and 200 years would seem to fit the description quite well.
You do know that Vault 87 is where the D.C's Super Mutants came from don't you? Also the Super Mutant subjects scheduled for termination would have presumably escaped and setup their own operations in the vault during that 200 year course, using their previous Cells as holding pens for captives waiting to be exposed to the F.E.V., Hence majority of the terminals would be referring to the Mutants who would come to escape their captives, and not those currently inhabiting them. Fawkes was not released from her Cell due to being an intellectual misfit amongst her fellow Mutants.
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Music is my Religion... - Jimi Hendrix - Dec 21, 2008 3:01 am GMT
Well, no, the correllation of D624 = female is not nearly enough, unless we have evidence specimen D624 = Fawkes. You might as well say my mother was female so Fawkes is female--makes just as much sense.
The Chief Physician says all the surviving specimens succumbed to the same rage problems, so if D624 became human in mind, she did so after that note was taken. It's possible she did so before the mutants escaped (if they did), but it's just as possible she did so later. If she did so later, there's no reason to assume the mutants would have forced her back into the same cell as she was in before. Further, it's unlikely they would have immediately noticed the difference when escaping, giving us the same lack of reason to assume they would have put her into the same cell when they did notice.
Additionally, unless there's something elsewhere in the game, there's no evidence the V87 experiments are the source of the DC mutants. It's just as possible someone else was playing with the FEV and created the original mutants there. The original mutants could have moved into V87 much later, and given the extreme level of radiation they are conveniently immune to, it would make sense for them to move there so that only the ghouls could bother them. Since there is FEV equipment in V87, the mutants would have started using it to create new mutants (either because it's easier than moving back and forth between V87 and wherever the original FEV equipment is, or because the other equipment was destroyed).
Regardless of whether the mutants started in V87 or elsewhere, there's no particular reason Fawkes couldn't be one of the more recent converts. Further, given the generally violent nature of the mutants, I would be inclined to think they would have just shot D624 long before 200 years had passed. Likewise, I was surprised they hadn't already killed Fawkes and assumed that meant Fawkes was recently-created. Further, there's no specific amount of time it takes to say "I don't know how long I've been here". Without a clock, I don't know how long I've been typing this response, and after only a few days inside a vault, anyone would lose track. Push this out even a year, and you would easily get that response. It's not like the player asks for an order of magnitude, plus Fawkes says its entire life was in that cell, so it wouldn't have any concept of days and years. To a 2-year old, 2 years is forever just the same as 200 years is forever to a 200-year old.
I agree it's possible Fawkes = D624, but seeing as it is, at best, a toss-up, and more realistically a remote possibility, I'm not buying it. - Dec 21, 2008 4:51 am GMTWell, no, the correllation of D624 = female is not nearly enough, unless we have evidence specimen D624 = Fawkes. You might as well say my mother was female so Fawkes is female--makes just as much sense.
The Chief Physician says all the surviving specimens succumbed to the same rage problems, so if D624 became human in mind, she did so after that note was taken. It's possible she did so before the mutants escaped (if they did), but it's just as possible she did so later. If she did so later, there's no reason to assume the mutants would have forced her back into the same cell as she was in before. Further, it's unlikely they would have immediately noticed the difference when escaping, giving us the same lack of reason to assume they would have put her into the same cell when they did notice.
Once again your argument is purely hypothetical, what if? What if? etc...
There's no evidence of the majority of what you are proposing.
Regardless of whether the mutants started in V87 or elsewhere, there's no particular reason Fawkes couldn't be one of the more recent converts. Further, given the generally violent nature of the mutants, I would be inclined to think they would have just shot D624 long before 200 years had passed. Likewise, I was surprised they hadn't already killed Fawkes and assumed that meant Fawkes was recently-created.
Taken from Fallout Wiki in reference to 2nd Generation Super Mutants:
These Super Mutants were created in the Evolutionary Experimentation Program, the experiment assigned to Vault 87. The modified strain of FEV which created these mutants resulted in a new strain of Super Mutants which, in addition to becoming senile, grow larger and stronger as they age. They are different as they are green-yellow in skin color and less intelligent. They take prisoners to transform them into more Super Mutants.
Hence, this is the point of origin for the D.C Mutants.
Also, Fawkes mentions vague memories of "People in lab coats" meaning she was indeed present at the time of the initial experiments, disproving the idea that is a recent captive.
Further, there's no specific amount of time it takes to say "I don't know how long I've been here". Without a clock, I don't know how long I've been typing this response, and after only a few days inside a vault, anyone would lose track. Push this out even a year, and you would easily get that response. It's not like the player asks for an order of magnitude, plus Fawkes says its entire life was in that cell, so it wouldn't have any concept of days and years. To a 2-year old, 2 years is forever just the same as 200 years is forever to a 200-year old.
I agree it's possible Fawkes = D624, but seeing as it is, at best, a toss-up, and more realistically a remote possibility, I'm not buying it.
I don't mean to be rude, but you are grasping at straws here, the technicalities of people's perception of time varies a great deal and once again it's purely hypothetical in relation to Fawkes situation.
The idea that an individual has been in confinement for so long that they have lost track of time itself implies they have been there for a considerable length, it's common knowledge, and given the biological immortality of Super Mutants there's an even higher likelihood of this being the case, and I don't think Bethesda would bother trying to implement a backstory with such complexity that one would have to question the variables of Time Perception in order to know the answer.
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Music is my Religion... - Jimi Hendrix - Dec 21, 2008 12:54 pm GMTOk, logic check here... STOP USING THE FALLOUT WIKI AS A CRUTCH!!!!!
Its not god, heck, i dont even think its official. Use in game context for your arguments, not some stupid wiki.
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Fallout 3
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- Genre: Role-Playing
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