Have a 3D TV, love to play Wipeout HD and SuperStardust HD in 3D. Also I have setup my PC for 3D so I may play games such as World of Warcraft, Starcraft: Wings of Liberty I have played all games above for 3+ hours without getting a headache from the active shutter glasses. I CRAVE more 3D gameing content! Oh small note, Xmas eve, there was a huge sale for 3D tvs at a chain called futureshop, I think they had about 10,000 3D HDTVs for sale... They sold out befor the 27th of Dec. Install base is growing. And if even 1 in 100 are like me. thats 1000 gamers that WANT MORE 3D!!! I LOVE IT! Peace out
Where does the future of gaming lie? Will we all be rocking games in 3D? Will all our game purchases be over the Internet? And will social games take over from more "core" titles? In this three-part feature, GameSpot looks at three topics that promise to change the way we play games. Presented over the course of three weeks, The Future of Gaming will look at the rise of 3D titles, the rising importance of downloadable content, and social gaming's impact on the games industry. Contributing to the feature are some of the biggest names in games development, who all share their thoughts, aspirations, and reservations about the impact of these three topics in the years to come. The first topic presented is The Future of Gaming: 3D.
At a panel discussion during this year's QuakeCon, Bethesda lead designer Emil Pagliarulo was asked his thoughts on 3D gaming. His unexpected reply brought the house down. "I f****** hate 3D," he said. "I think it's a gimmick and I hope it dies."
3D remains a delicate subject for game developers. While there are some who have embraced the idea of gaming in three dimensions with unhampered enthusiasm, those who have been in the industry long enough have developed a sharpened sense of scepticism for anything that promises to drastically change the way games are played. This has led many developers to question the relevance of 3D technology on the future of the industry.
Not everyone is concerned. Publishers like Sony and Nintendo see 3D gaming as an opportunity: both have taken serious steps to embrace the technology, making their respective consoles 3D-compatible and beginning to roll out first-party and third-party 3D titles. They believe the technology has the ability to evolve the gaming experience through a never-before-seen level of immersion, bringing with it a new wave of gaming audiences. Not one to be left out of the battle for new consumers, Microsoft is working towards its own 3D gaming strategy, the results of which are yet to be seen.
Weighing up the pros and cons of 3D gaming and its potential influence on gaming in the future is something most developers seem to be doing. How can 3D gaming take off if only a small percentage of the market is able to afford a 3D-capable television? How can the industry ask gamers to sit through a 10-hour campaign wearing a pair of plastic glasses that will cause headaches and eye strain?
While these questions continue to be debated by the industry, a more fundamental worry has arisen. Does 3D technology add value to gameplay?
Embracing the technology
Sony has been leading the charge in the 3D gaming arena. The publisher's entrance into the stereoscopic 3D market began with the announcement in November last year that the technology would soon be incorporated into the PlayStation 3, paving the way for the first wave of first-party and third-party 3D titles. In May this year, Sony announced that one of its biggest first-party franchises, Guerrilla Games' Killzone 3, would be among the first games to make use of that new depth-of-field technology. Since then, the publisher has released a line of 3D-enabled televisions, a firmware update that allows all PlayStation 3 consoles to play select games in 3D, three downloadable exclusives in 3D--Wipeout HD, Super Stardust HD, and PAIN--and a full lineup of titles ready for release in the coming year, including Hustle Kings, MotorStorm: Apocalypse, Gran Turismo 5, and Mortal Kombat.
Like Sony, Nintendo has thrown its full support behind 3D gaming. In March this year, the publisher unveiled its new 3D-capable console, the 3DS, taking everyone by surprise with the announcement that glasses are not required to play it. The console turned heads at this yearís E3, earning unanimous praise for its technological and graphic capabilities, as well as its strong software lineup, which to date includes Kid Icarus, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, StarFox 64 3D, Paper Mario, Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D--The Naked Sample, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Pro Evolution Soccer, Resident Evil Revelations, Ninja Gaiden, Pac-Man & Galaga, and Dragon Ball. The unexpected success of the 3DS even prompted Nintendo president Satoru Iwata to consider a 3D-capable successor to the Wii.
At Gamescom this year, Sony executive Mick Hocking told GameSpot that he believes 3D enhances the gaming experience. Surprisingly, he sees the technology enhancing not just one or two particular game genres, but all.
"We've converted quite a lot of games to 3D from different genres, and we've found it enhances just about all of them," Hocking said. "You can imagine a game that's being designed to be 2D may not lend itself to 3D, but certainly racing games, sports games, benefit a great deal from the addition of 3D. Action games and first-person shooters look great in 3D. Pretty much everything we've tried so far looks better in 3D. I think most get enhanced gameplay from the addition of 3D."
Some developers share Hocking's view. Mortal Kombat producer Hector Sanchez has high hopes for 3D. He says his team couldnít wait to jump on board with Sony to deliver Mortal Kombat in three dimensions.
"It's so cool, and we're really into it," he said. "We're at the tip of the spear with this, and our game is going to be one of the first to experiment with the technology. We've found that 3D allows us to do a lot more things with the engine than we've ever done before. It gives the game more depth, and makes it more eye-catching."
Spec Ops: The Line lead designer Cory Davis believes 3D affords game developers a lot of opportunities. However, he recognises that not all games will work in 3D.
"You can look around and you'll see a number of projects would be more fun and interesting in 3D. The tech is allowing us to do that. However, I'd love to see more expansion in the home television market for 3D. I'm not sure every consumer wants to wear 3D glasses when they play games, but I'm interested to see where it goes. I'll personally enjoy playing games in 3D."
Despite Nintendo's success down the 3D path to date, the technology is yet to convince some Japanese developers. Dead Rising 2 producer Keiji Inafune says the future of 3D gaming relies not on how well publishers make use of the technology, but on how well 3D televisions sell.
"It's hard to see what will happen or whether people will adopt 3D televisions or not, and how long it's going to take to get to that stage. The technology itself is interesting, and I think that some titles will suit 3D more than others--for example, first-person shooters. On the other hand, there will be genres that don't suit 3D at all. If this trend does continue, I expect it to happen on a more limited genre-by-genre basis, rather than across the board in the industry."
Marvel vs. Capcom 3 producer Ryota Niitsuma is prepared to wait and see how other developers adopt 3D.
"I'm curious where 3D is going to take us, but I don't know if it will become the industry standard. I just look at it as another way of presenting a game, and if it suits the game's needs then by all means go for it. There are a lot of different types of games, however, and each game requires something different."
Although it was never confirmed, there is wide speculation in the industry that Microsoft is hot on the heels of its rivals in the 3D gaming domain. While 3D games like Avatar and Batman: Arkham Asylum are available to play on the Xbox 360, the publisher has chosen to remain secretive about any plans that it has in regard to incorporating 3D technology into its console.
Some developers see this as a smart move on Microsoft's part. Without dismissing 3D gaming as a gimmick, more and more developers are looking to answer the question of whether or not the technology can add value to gameplay.
Treyarch studio head Mark Lamia says he's not yet ready to begin using the technology in the studio's titles.
"I think 3D is going to be an opportunity, but it's clearly in its infancy stage at the moment, and I see avenues for abuse if not handled carefully. I think it can be a gimmick, but I think games can use it as a way to immerse the player more in the game experience."
Ghost Recon: Future Soldier producer Stuart White thinks the idea needs more time to catch on.
"No one has 3D televisions yet, so I think that once the prices come down, more people will buy them, and then we can get excited. Itís going to be the same thing that happened when the Wii first launched--some developers will figure it out; others will sit around wondering how they can best make use of it. It will definitely work with some games, but not with all."
DJ Hero 2 creative director Jamie Jackson believes that 3D can enhance and add value to gameplay only if used in the right way.
"Once we get over the hype, we can start to use it in a meaningful way, in a way that adds value to gameplay and itís no longer just a peripheral. The question is how do we make it fun?"
With developers treading cautiously and publishers all too eager to embrace the technology, the future of 3D gaming remains uncertain. What is clear is that the industry cannot move forward without a clear, cohesive vision for how to best approach the technology and make the most of what it can offer gamers.
Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions creative director Thomas Wilson doesn't want to see 3D becoming a developer's problem.
"It only makes sense if the manufacturers are actually behind this and incorporate the technology in their consoles. I would expect Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo to look at how they can build 3D into their consoles so that it does not become a developer's problem. As it stands, I think the technology is a little early. I want to wait to see how it develops." Will 3D change the future of games? Let us know by leaving your comments below! Make sure you check back next week for The Future of Gaming: DLC.
As I work with 3D I see more and more people wanting it for the gaming market. I can see the films coming back and forth from 2D to 3D but games I believe that there can be so much more done with it. Its still early days for the 3D technology at home but if the right research is done and the backing is there I do not see why all games can be 3D compatible and we can all have a epic experience with it until holodecks.
I'm sorry but 3D games kick ass. I hope they make more 3D games in the near future and add more intense effects. I didn't feel like the intial cost was really that expensive, and wearing the glasses isn't a big deal either. It's nice to be able to switch back and forth.
Well if 3D is such a gimmick then why don't all you 3d haters poke out one of your eyeballs and walk around in RL with one eye. Ya know, since stereoscopic vision is such a gimmick... tards. LOL I game in 3d everyday on my badass 3d gaming pc. How many people who are hating 3d have actually played ANYTHING in 3d? LOL ... none?
DLC......well....as long as they release the games in some form on the market as well i will be happy...
I cant believe people are complaining about an improvement. Really the only arguments given against 3d are that people dislike the glasses, the cost and how it makes them feel sick. There are 3d TVs without glasses(look at the 3DS). They cost so much because they are still new. A 50" HD TV cost a lot when they first came out but now they are much less expensive. Also the sickness people feel is still because the technology is new and not perfect. Lastly how many people have actually played games in 3d, it looks amazing.
As unbelievable as it sounds, there are still people in the world who either can't afford or simply can't wear contact lenses. 3D will only be viable once it is available...to...the...masses!!! I also agree that it should only be an option, and not a standard, until technology makes 3D accessory-free. Yes, I wear glasses and have tried Arkham Asylum 3D which is not only frustrating for glasses, but very hard on the eyes. Not only because of the poor color reference, but also the limited field of vision.
Lame, save your money, This phase is exactly that, a phase until something else comes out that's better. Until I see something like that movie paycheck. Then I would consider a purchase, then also would consider that level of how we watch tv to be a increase in how we experience, not only games but, how we now watch tv. This is not a notable change to me to invest in. It might now, change how you experience gaming etc, but really! its not going to effect it that much, it might at first but in short time you will agree with me. Its not a drastic enough change to most of us to invest into a TV or pay more for a 3d anything.
I'm in total agreement with the guy from Bethesda "I f****** hate 3D" 3d movies are a fad like they were in the 80's and 50's, as it states the success of 3d gaming will depend on the success of 3d tv sales, the majority of people (and by people I mean the ones who don't have to have EVERY bit of new technology that comes out) won't buy 3d tv's because watching all your programming with the stupid goggles will drive people nuts
I really, really hope 3D doesn't become standard. The format makes me queasy when I'm watching a movie, and I can pretty much guarantee that the level of involvement a video game imposes on the player would make me barf. :?
I think 3D gaming will be alot better and more accessible when the TVs come out that do 3D with out glasses. Its great tech but the Samsung 3D i find has issues with how many FPS the specs refresh and sometimes the depth in certain scenes is blurred. Whats the point in having HD games when some times its all blurry?
I just got the samsung 3DLEDTV 7000!!! look it up!! it does evey input in 3D!!!! Its funny how people who cant get there hands on this stuff say they dont want it! you should have made a better choice when buying a tv. I know most did not a few years ago when every body was buying flatscreentvs on a black friday. you bought cheep and didnt think why the price was so low ...well know you know why!! so Embracing the technology!!!!
I hope 3d remains a value adding feature like HD or surround sound, NEVER an essential part of the game or gameplay.
3D is currently nothing but a gimmick for the animators to show off. It also would be rather frustrating to be wearing those stupid glasses for every game they release in 2012. However, Nintendo has taken it to the next level, and when this technology manages to improve, it might actually get somewhere. I suppose we'll have to see how this turns out. Personally, I'm looking forward to the 3DS, and hope to see this part of technology improve.
Screw 3D. It's overrated. If I have to wear a second pair of glasses just to play a game that will look blurry, then I might as well just go and play some SNES games or something. Seriously, HD was great because it makes games look in high-definition. But... 3D? No. I want to concentrate on the game, not the image popping out of the screen. The future of gaming... yeah right.
I'd much rather see 3D in games than in movies. Though the tech will not take off until glasses-free 3D becomes the norm, AND developers can prove it to be more than just a gimmicky gee-whiz feature. The Wii pushed motion controls successfully, and we will need a similar push for 3D to last in the long-term.
- It's gonna be pretty expensive..... and not manny gamers are gonna be able to afford it, me being one of them XD I barely managed to but an 1080p resolution tv and when I finally was able to buy it they came up with the LED tv, and now they are coming up with 3D tv's, and don't get wrong, it looks good, and when I go to the movies and see a movie in 3D is awesome but unless I hit the jackpot, I'm gonna sit this one out and so are many gamers XD -
Have you been living under a rock the last 10 years? Soon, we won't need glasses! (It was actually in the article, duh!) And how can you say that the 3D is a gimmick, when it isn't a finished technology yet? What's next, will sound be a gimmick? I don't think so.
3D is a gimmick while we still have to wear glasses. Once those are gone more people will buy into 3D, cause seriously who wants wear the stupid glasses for 3 hours?
Ill wait for one of those Toshiba TV's that dont need the 3D glasses for 3D. Yes i know its a little more expensive for one of those, but not when u take into account with the other 3D TV's you need the tv, and however many sets of those annoying glasses that make u look like a dork.
As cool as 3D might be, I still can't justify buying another big screen and 4 sets of glasses. When can buy a 42" 3D for the same price that a regular 42" sell for right now, I'll be in.
If they aren't even going to give the option of letting it be played without the 3D, then I guess I'm not going to get a ps3. Oh well, the ps2 still works fine.
"I f****** hate 3D," he said. "I think it's a gimmick and I hope it dies." yes. i have never respected bethesda more than I do at this moment. I hate 3D. In movies, in games, in TV, I hate it. Let's boycott it. Who's with me? :)
You don't need an expensive TV to have a 3D video Game experience. You could use red/cyan glasses. I have 3DInfinity, an Xbox Indie game that runs off red/cyan. The red and cyan lines on the screen are now so thin that 90% of the colors shine through, and the red and cyan are only for accent. (By the way, that has a shutter 3d-Mode too) Also remember the Sega Master System? That had a 3D image before 3D graphics were big, and that was done by a mechanical shutter, and took advantage of the fact that older TV's drew every other line on a screen, so you can add 3D looks by making alternate the 2 different scans left eye and right eye. How much was the Master System when it came out? And didn't it work with any TV back then? How about making a Sega Scope-like device as an an attachment to a video game instead of buying a separate TV. (The idea would probably fly better on a Wii where hi-def is not as much of an issue)
@Cthulad Having depth is the very definition of 3D. It means having three dimensions of vision: The X and Y axis, as well as the depth, being the Z axis. What you're talking about is 3D, but it's more immersive than the term "3D" implies. Maybe "Surround 3D" would be a better way to say that, or "Virtual Reality." I think 3D is going to be frakking awesome, especially when the Dragon Age series takes to it. I'm going to have wet dreams until this becomes a reality.
3D is a fad, and will always be a fad because of the glasses and the need to buy a new TV. And when 3D without glasses arrive, technology will jump to the next best thing, Holograms
I don't know how people can embrace a view of something with "Depth" as 3D. 3D is being surrounded by something. If I were to turn my head, and look sidways, or even just look sideways actual 180 degrees, I should be seeing exactly what would be shown on the screen. I will use Avatar (Movie) as my example. If I was on the planet, and I turned my head 90 degrees to the right I would want to see the forest, and not the cast of the movie. I can not embrace 3D as a technology until I can turn 360 dgrees around, and see the surrounds. That is what emmersive means. Everything is a simulation, and to think that 3D is more immersive than any previous technology is, you are fooling yourself, and others.
3D is nowhere near being mainstream. but in my opinion it will become the norm. we as humans will fin da way to make it very accessable and cheap (in a sense) and most people will have the technology in their rooms (bed,living, etc.) im sure games will come out soon like killzone that let u play in 3D but really... only rich people are gonna be able to play those at first.
@yoshiyogurt sony is leading because they used sony cameras on avatar, they make some(if not) of the first 3d tvs, PS3 will be 1st home 3d console. 3d may be the way of the future, but it still seems to early to expect millions of people to get rid of their 51in LCD TV that are 2 years old to buy a new one just to play killzone3. They need to make 3d assesible to everyone if they want it to take off, and that is still years away....execpt for the 3ds...
I don't think it should be the standard, but it is a very cool tech. The problem I forsee is the eye strain or fatigue over long gaming sessions. Even without glasses, and having a special screen over the TV glass panel, your eyes will still feel the difference. It's definitely cool, and I think there should always be an option for 2D.
Well, 3D is just not for me... yet. Who knows in 5 or 10 years? I'm human and I'm definitely susceptible to changes. Personally, I love technology and hoping for the better always.
I am interested to see what happens. Does anyone know if Sony is going to make their games so they can only be played 3D or will we have a 2D option?
Not everyone is going to want to play games in 3D, so sony is making a very risky move. Nintendo, on the other hand, made it so you can play in 3D or 2D, which is an extremely smart move.
@TheBlob2k4 3D standards were defined from the word go to avoid a HDDVD/Blu Ray type war.... wether the system in use uses active shutter glasses or not... all media will work as is. The set defines the technical issues, not the media. This may change with glasses free 3D.... but that will be years away. There is no need to worry about compatibility issues for years to come.
Let's get this straight. 3D games are the only thing capable of true backwards compatible conversion. It basically just makes another virtual camera. One for the left eye, one for the right eye. For 2D DVDs this is not possible, just a psuedo 3d effect. Not bad, it's actually quite cool, but it's not as good as the genuine effect. REPEAT: Most DirectX 9 and OpenGL games (I'm not sure about DX10/11 games right this second) are 3D compatible right out the box. If the game was good (read no gimmicks needed) it'll be just as good with the 3D effect. You guys are confusing this with movies like Pirrahnas 3D or Spy Kids 3D. We already know some fool will use this as a gimmick, but the state of 3D gaming thus far, no one has bothered. One thing I should mention, is the the hardware will now have to push twice as many polygons since it's using 2 cameras from 2 different perspectives. I wonder how this will be possible with current gen technology. PC you just have to get a better graphics card. Prices may rise, but a couple months back, you could get a compatible TV for \$700 some odd dollars or the full Nvidia/Samsung monitor kit around \$500. Not bad.
@Humorguy_basic Yet another stupid comment - no games on the PC in 3D eh??? Have you any idea what you are talking about? No is the answer. Look at Nvidia's 3D supported games list and come back here and tell me how many you counted. 3D is (FOR THE LAST TIME) BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE. The PC can render ALL your media, even the 2D divx collection you own into 3D. Yes 3D for all your 24,Star Trek,X-Files,Star Wars,Futurama,Lord of the Rings films ! Who wouldn't want that, and if you don't you are bonkers !
@bigkegofhealth DUDE !!!!! For the last time on this page PLEASE UNDERSTAND !!!! 3D is backwards compatible, there are NO 3D only titles relying on 3D to be impressive and there NEVER will be.A good 2D game will also be a good 3D game if you have 3D technology to use, a BAD 2D with 3D turned on will just be a bad 2D/3D game PERIOD ! The only shovel ware that is available is on the Wii, as the casual gamer market has killed any inovation that the Wii may have had. 3D is AN OPTION you don't have to have it on. It enhances gaming not restricts it. I just can't believe the stupidity of all of you haters. 3D is an option FINAL ! For gods sake, just get yourself a weekend of 3D gaming in and really honestly tell me it didn't make you smile, it is awesome, sorry to all you guys that still rely on Mummy and Daddy for their money but you wil have to beg borrow or steal a 3D tv or just shut up whining ! 3D is here to stay, HURRAH !
@Olympianmaster '@Coppershark1973......never heard of 3D technology that "pops" out of the screen without the use of glasses? ever heard of the 3DS? Actually read how it works...it does indeed pop out of the screen....without having to wear glasses.' Okaaaaaaay, seen it for yourself have you? Thought not. Everything I have read about the 3DS has said it has NO pop out effect at all and it is depth only. You believe the marketing blurb from nintendo about Pop Out of the screen effects all you want, I suppose you also think that drinking Mountain Dew makes you look butch? Still, if you want to wet yourself over having a 3D effect on a bunch of Nintendo kiddie games rather than having a full HD 3D Porn/Game/Bluray collection at home then be my guest. LOLS
I am all for it but the price of TVs will have to Really drop in line with current HDTVs. I love my 52" LCD and I am not ready to part with it yet. 56" 3D LED tvs will have to be under $2000 for me to consider upgrading. This will happen sooner or later, but I am thinking 2+ years. In the mean time I will make the move for Move, $150 for some fresh experiences I can handle. $4000 for upgrading my living room to 3D is not going to happen.
i cant believe all the negativity surrounding 3D... i think its awesome technology and have just ordered my new 3D set. Theres a wealth of content already available via conversion on the pc... all of your games and standard dvd's. Then theres the PS3 too. whats not to like? As for the technology not being perfect yet.... it looked damn near perfect when i viewed it! It's not that expensive now either... all of the sets have dropped in price and i assume they will continue to so (im actually paying the same price as i did for my first HDTV). How much hastle is it to wear a pair of glasses? non-eyewear 3D will be years away. I know it's already been developed but it will be some time before it becomes affordable enough to be more than an experiment. I want it now! I would really love to know what the real issue is with the negativity on here... is it price? is it because you believe that in a few years time you wont be able to game anymore because you dont have a 3D set? you do realise you can turn the 3D off right? and that there is no way in the world that 3D will consume 2D - they wall always co-exist. It's just a really cool optional extra that i cannot wait for! Im on a waiting list of 28 people for mine.... so weather you guys like it or not..... somebody is buying em!
At a panel discussion during this year?s QuakeCon, Bethesda lead designer Emil Pagliarulo was asked his thoughts on 3D gaming. His unexpected reply brought the house down. "I f****** hate 3D," he said. I f****** hate 3D too, also PS Move can move to somewhere else. I don't need any of that crap, I just want some decent games like Demon's Souls or MAG. So far these are only 2 games I can recall from the last 5 years that really were decent. GTA4 was close, but multiplayer ruined the road to brilliance.
Sorry but I'm not interested in 3D and neither is the rest of the world. At least, not at the moment. There's just too many problems with it. No, not the technology to do it, I think it's outright amazing, but there are several barriers right now that pretty much make me say, "Sorry, but not interested at the moment". It's too much of an investment. First, you have to purchase a 3DTV and then 3D glasses, which at an entry point is almost touching $2,000. Also, there's just not enough 3D content available to justify that price. By the time 3D content is more readily available, the entry level TVs and accessories will be affordable, but that won't be until FAR down the line. Also, with a whopping $60-80 a pop for an extra pair of glasses, I don't see a reason to jump in now that Sony and a few companies have jumped the Nintendo bandwagon and announced they are now working on glasses-free 3D. So in short, jumping into 3D right now is a stupid idea. When it's more affordable, more readily available, and glasses-free, then hell yes, I will jump in. But I am not made of money anymore and neither is the rest of the world. For those who can afford it, please do so.