Long Gui?

I still can't beat him(I have also posted a question)
But there are 3 Adamantoises who are still normal

1.Mission 62 or 63
2.One in Cocoon there is still walking around one and there is a save point nearby so if you don't get your item then you simple can reload your game
3.One still in Pulse most of them are blue(Long Gui),but one is normal,the one is walking around

If you search for an item called Adamantite,you can simple buy it from a shop cost 220,000 gil

I don't know how strong your characters are,but a small one you can simple beat it,it is not so strong

Btw be advised, that you can easily farm the Long Gui's for Trapehozedron with a much higher drop rate. Once you get the hang of defeating them efficiently (7-10 Minutes) it's much more effectivy to farm the guis instead of the Ademantoises (imho).

Little Tip to speed things up, have Fang as Leader and use Highwind for the legs. After you chain them to 999.9% you can instantly Highwind them with a fully upgraded Venus Gospel...thus saving you a lot of time.

The first thing you do afte he starts out with Ultima is cast Slow on him, after that start buffing, with the other 2 chars, while fang can start debuffing the legs.

Also once he falls, start debuffing him until one of your members get Poison active, which also reduces his HP quite a bit in that short time he's lying on the ground.

They're actually not that hard, once you get the timing when to buff/debuff. And Tier 3 Weapons don't really help much btw. (though Tier 3 is more foolproof of course)

Before we get to defeating a Long Gui, an answer to your other questions first. After completing mission 51, long Gui's will start to appear in the Archetype Steepe. However, not all of the adamantoise will be gone. You can find 2 in the Eastern Tors ravine (the area with a whole pack of adamanchelids. this is also the area where you meet your first cactuar and meet the Jumbo Cactuar). One will be by its lonesome and the other will be accompanied by 3 of those wolves. They are easily dispatched though.

Also the easiest place to fight adamantoise is in Eden Plaza, right before the entrance to Eden hall. That one adamantoise is right by a save sphere so after you beat one, you can just save, quit, and reload to respawn him. In my opinion, this is the best place to farm for Platinum Ingots and Trapezohedrons. My record time in beating an adamantoise is 1 min 18 seconds. much faster than Ruven's suggestion of farming Long Gui's. I know what you're thinking 1 min 18 seconds WTF! lol but it is possible w/the right combination of equipment, paradigms, and team members. if you would like to know how just ask k, the method is very similar to the one I am going to outline for you for defeating Long Gui's. Its a little light reading so please bear w/me lol.

Please read the next post for continuation.

Long Gui's have about 3 times the HP of your standard adamontoise. So in retrospect, they will take about 3 times as long to beat depending on your current equipment and how far along you've advanced in the crystarium. This guy is not hard to beat because as far as attack patterns go, he has no variety. His attacks ARE powerful, but offer no variety. Therefore, nothing in this battle will take you by surprise. He's just basically another adamontoise with more hp so it will take some time to bring him down. All you need in this battle is preperation.

A few pre-requisites before you take him on though;
1. The best team to tackle this guy with is Light, Fang, and Hope w/Light as team leader.
2. Ensure that these characters have reached their final role lv crystals in their core disciplines. in addition, make sure that: A) Light has reached the final role level crystal as a syn. B) Fang has reached the final role lv crystal as a med, and C) that Light and Hope can at least guard as sentinels.
3. Weapons:
Light - the best is a maxed out Omega weapon created from the axis blade which gives you the attack ATB charge II special property. This will literally turn lightning into lightning. When combined w/her Army of One skill, it will give you an additional attack for every 2 performed.
Fang - maxed out Kain's lance created from the Pandoran Spear, giving you the Improved Debilitation II special property. This will ensure that deBuffs are applied fast and quick. Believe me, as soon as you stagger this guy, you will want to get into attack mode quickly to apply maximum damage and this weapon will help you do just that.
Hope - maxed out Nue created from Otshirvani which will give you the Siphon Boost II special property. Combine this w/Light's Army of One ability and you will have this guy at 999% in 1 turn.
4. Accessories: 4 general's belts for Light and Hope. this will give you a 69% resistance to physical damage. if you are a little strapped for cash and don't feel like farming for Platinum Ingots from the lesser adamantoise, You can cut it down to 3 each. it really depends on you. For Fang, 3 Generals belt and the Genji Glove. With this setup, only Fang can really break that damage cap so it makes sense to allow her to maximize the damage she inflicts.
5. Paradigm Deck in this order Light Fang Hope: again w/Light as leader
COM COM RAV - Aggression
RAV RAV RAV - Tri-Disaster
RAV SAB RAV - Smart Bomb
SYN MED SYN- Recuperation
SEN SEN SEN - Tortoise
MED MED MED - Salvation
Although some may prefer to play Fang as leader, you will want to have control over the buffs you use as a syn and Light's Army of One ability to ensure that the stagger percentage goes up as quickly as possible.
6. To make this battle even quicker, max out the 3 Docs codes you receive via treasure spheres and side-quests for a measly 200 exp a pop. Dismantle them and you end up w/3 elixirs. i will explain the significance of these items shortly.

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Now for the actual battle: Soorry about the multiple posts lol, I couldnt fit everytning on 1 cuz I exceeded the max amount of characters.

1a).Before you engage this leviathan, use a fortisol and aegisol to get a quick start. Also the default paradigm should be Smart Bomb. Skip to step 3.
1b). If you can't spare a fortisol and aegisol (which I highly doubt), start the battle off w/the Tortoise Paradigm b/c as soon as you engage him, this guy will cast ultima. On to step 2.
2.) After the initial onslaught, paradigm shift to Recuperation and cast vigilance, bravery, and faith on Fang. Then cast faith and bravery on Light. Then Finally faith on Hope. As you do this, Hope will cast protection buffs and haste on the party while Fang heals you from the damage from ultima.
3.) Afterwards, shift to Smart Bomb and summon Odin (note that you will not have to switch paradigms if you started w/step 1a). The eidolon will immediately disable the beasts legs upon summoning. Promptly dismiss him afterwards.
4.)When your party returns, start bombarding this guy w/thunder spells while Fang casts slow, deprotect, deshell, and imperil. If you followed my weapon setup, Fang should have the debuffs set up in 5 seconds literally.
5.) With the debuffs in place, shift to Tri-disaster. Keep pummeling the beast w/thunder spells until you stager him. Afterwards, switch to using Army of One and the beast's chain bonus will skyrocket to 999% in about 1-2 turns (just watch how fast your ATB gauge fills up while Light uses Army of One and you'll see what I mean by Lightning).
6.) Once the chain bonus is maxed out, shift to Aggression and pummel away at this guys massive amount of HP. With all of the debuffs in place, you should be able to reduce his HP by about 1/4 the total amount.

When the beast regains its legs, you can take several pathways to defeating him depending on your current inventory of elixirs.

7a). As soon as he gets up, use an elixir (this will fill your TP gauge once again, granting you another summon and a free bout of healing). Repeat steps 3-6. Depending on you inventory of elixirs, you can repeat this process until beast falls, which will take no more than 10 minutes w/this method. If you're short on elixirs, however, move to step 7b.
7b). As soon as he gets up, paradigm shift to Smart Bomb and allow Fang to cast slow on the Long Gui and NOTHING else. This will help reduce the amount of damage from the beasts stomp, quake, and ultima attacks.
8). Now switch your attention to one of the legs. Start bombarding it w/thunder spells while Fang casts deprotect, deshell, and imperil.
9) Once the debuffs are in place, shift Tri-Disaster once again and bombard the leg w/thunder spells until you stagger it. Then switch to using Army of One until the chain gauge has been maxed out to 999%.
10) After the chain gauge has been filled, shift to Aggression. Although Fang will choose a different target than your own, don't fret; Light and hope are more than capable of dispatching the beast's leg on their own.
11.) Once one leg has been crippled, switch your attention to the other leg. Repeat steps 8-10.
11.) Once both legs have been crippled, shift to Smart Bomb and repeat steps 4-6 until the beast falls.

It is important to take note that throughout this battle, you will have to make shifts to Recuperation in order to re-buff whenever buffs expire and only casting those buffs outlined in step 2. Also, if you are in the middle of an attack and spot ultima or quake flash across the screen, immediately shift to Tortoise to reduce damage. Follow this up w/a bout of healing from Salvation.

Each time you destroy both legs and resume your attack on the Long Gui itself, you should be able to reduce its HP by 1/4 the original amount. So if you have the 4 elixirs (3 from dismantling maxed out doctors codes and 1 from a treasure sphere) This battle should not take longer than 10 minutes. The time it takes you to beat him, however, will vary from mine because luck and timing can make a difference between resuming your attacks and switching to Salvation for a bout of healing, or Tortoise to reduce damage from quake and ultima.

Also remember that staggering an opponent cancels its immediate action so staggering the beast while he is about to perform ultima will save you a lot of time. Once again luck, timing, and to an extent, your trigger finger speed will determine how fast you can switch between paradigms and cancel any unnecessary actions from being performed. Thus saving you a lot of time and grief from a potential cast of ultima.

BTW I will be posting an even more outlined Faq on defeating Long Gui's as well as CP farming guides for pre and post game. So please look forward to those.

Tonito, you're right about the farming spot, I forgot you can reload every time you didn't get the Trap.

Also Long Guis will only appear if you ALSO finish all the missions from that Cie'th stone circle, not only after you finish mission 51.

on the other aspect.. you can kill Gui's faster than 10 Minutes without the Tier 3 weaposn and it doesn't require Elixirs or luck or anything...

errm, but I'm currently writing on a guide explaining how to 5 star Missions and Guis with Tier 2 equipment and without rare Items or Deaht/Random techniques anyway, so also please look forward to those as well ;)

Ruven, just fyi: it would be more efficient to save and reload after every kill while farming in Leviathan Square. That way, even if you don't get a Trap of Ingot, you still get the 40k CP for each kill... If you have the Crystarium maxed out you can just reload if you don't get an item, but the Ingots are just as important as the Traps... I have been farming for Ingots now for a while, only because I need the gil to buy components to level everything up, lol.

yes, about the farming spot, if you're after ingot's it's surely quicker, if you're after Traps, it's close, but, assuming it takes 2 Minutes for one kill (loadingtimes etc included) and assuming it takes 10 Minutes for a long gui kill (including loading/walking), then you still have a slightly better chance of getting the Trap by a long gui (about by 1%).

Of course, if you're early poststorygame, then Eden is better due to accesability and because you don't have to finsih the missions(and because of the CP you get), but postmissiongame (when you'r already close to max) and you only want to get the traps for the achievment, the Guis are the better place to hunt for it. especially, once you have three ultima weapons you can kill one in 5 Minutes thus increasing the Drop Chance per Minute by about double. which makes it the best spot for endgame farming (for trapezohedrons at least).

btw, just out of courioisity, how long does it take you to kill the one at Eden with a low level party? And how do you do it? (my 2 Minute guess was based on tonitos message, but I really don't know how he does that actually (with lowlevel at least))

"Once you get the hang of defeating them efficiently (7-10 Minutes) "

7-10 minutes is efficient? Theres a video on youtube with a time of 1min20s. This is about the fastest you can down a long gui. The key here is to use death, not to outright kill him but for massive damage. It hits for 1million per cast with the right setup and execution.

The fastest you can down an Adamantoise on the other hand is about 50s +/-. I've done it in 52s so far and am looking to break the 50s. We are talking pure smack down of course not trying to luck out with a death.

@quatrering: interesting, never heard that Death can cuase that much damage. Wold you care to elaborate that? How do you enhance the Damage of Death to a such ridiculous amount?

50s Smackdown with Tier 3 weapons I assume? cause I wasn't talking about endgame fully maxxed equipment etc. (then, sure no problem, I guess) if not, would you care to elaborate that as well please?

k, sorry for the doublepost: Found the video.

Yes, sure, with fully maxxed equipment AND using Eidolons I get how that works. Though I was talking about farming them TO GET the fully maxxed weapons, so 1:20 is quite unrealistic, even with the death trick, and after you have maxxed weapons you don't really need the death trick, since damage cap is still at 999'999, but that's just my guess.

Also the Thing about efficiency, at least in my opinion, is not having to use a lot of resources getting the result (Like, what good does it do if I can kill a Gui with Eidolons in 1:20, when I have to spend time after that regaining TP? or when I have to spend Gil,which I farm for in the first place? If I have to use it to buy shrouds to get TP? (Although I guess moneywise it's still efficient, will maybe do the math later, to see how that would translate into a gil/minute comparison...

k, DID the math, so IF you want to use Etherosol to regain TP that costs you about 66'000 Gil, which is about half the money you make when selling one Platinum Ingot, thus you have to Battle 2 Guis to cancel out the drawback, thus doubling the effective time you spend farming for the same amount.

Same with equiping Champions badge and fight 2 battles to regain TP, that raises the time for one farm cycle by about 2 Minutes (walking to the next enemy, walking back etc. plus the 10-20 second battle)

So even if you can kill Guis faster, it's not a Method that you can use repeatedly without further time investment, which reduces the Gil/Minute quotient drastically.

Also as stated before, IF you have level 3 equipment and are fully maxxed, the only thing that you have to add is killing the legs manually, and that doesn't take more than 1:30, so being quicker with an Eidolon/Death doesn't necesarily mean that you are more efficient.

Though it's a nice technique to farm for Traps if you have spare TP/Elixirs/Etherosols/Gil.

Or did I overlook something?

Ok guys, I'm going to go out on a limb here n say that the most efficient way to farm for traps and plat ingots at a LOW lv party w/nothing but tier 2 weapons is with Vanille equipped with a Malboro Wand while spamming Death. This is by far the cheapest way to go because you need nothing more than to upgrade Vanille's weapon alone. The most effective place to farm these items is still Leviathan Plaza because the save sphere is sitting right there! And as far as regenerating TP for the eidolon trick, there are groups of soldiers right there! Even with a low lv party, a preemptive strike will finish the battle in no more than 20 seconds. this is definitely way faster than traveling back and forth between the archetype steepe farming Long Gui's.

Then again, I could be mistaken as to what you guys mean by a LOW lv party. Please consider that even a a party who is maxed out in the crystarium, but lack the right equipment, can still get easily killed by an adamantoise.

Also Ruven, you have to be realistic about efficiency , in order to efficiently farm these behemoths, you will need to use some resources. I mean for me, the first time I took on an adamantoise without the death/eidolon trick, fang had a maxed out kains lance, but light and hope only had tier 1 weapons. You are going to have to use some resources in order to be efficient. there's just no getting around it.

Oh and to answer you other question ruven, when I killed the adamantoise in that 2 min timeframe you were referring to I was using semi maxed out weapons. For light, it was a recently transformed omega weapon from the axis blade (damn i love that weapon) and i mean recently, this wasn't leveled up at all upon being transformed to omega. same goes for hope, a recently transformed nue. fang was really the only one who had a maxed weapon * kains lance.

With a real low level party as in tier 1 weapons. with fang being the exception once again, my quickest time was somewhere between 3 min 20 to 3 min 15 secs.

With maxed out weapons for these 3 and using the eidolon trick, around 50 s is about right. Oh and fyi, I tried switching between Fang and Light as team leader and to be honest, Fang was only faster by a couple of seconds. I believe this is the case because the AI which usually controls Fang in my team can cast debuffs way faster than I can and of course they know when a debuff has been successfully cast so they know when to cancel their attacks.

And just so you guys know, I was only really able to max out Fangs' Kains lance because I DID choose to do up to mark 36 during the main story. This of course allowed me to get all of Bhakti's rewards as well as get a lot of Gold nuggets and other items with high resale value. not to mention an adequate amount of CP to spend on the crystarium.

Finally, I would just really like to emphasize that everybody plays differently so your effeciency in acquiring traps and plat ingots will be highly dependent on how much time you invested in preparing for the fights.

you're right of course about defining "Low Level", so to clarify, I was referring tier 2 maxxed out weapons plus at least 2 Genji Gloves (which you'll have anyway by that time you get to battle Long Guis), of course, as I said, from point of early availablility Eden is the ONLY spot to farm for anyway, so naturally more efficient in that matter.

But we have to diferrentiate 2 things first I guess. If you're not Tier 3 maxxed, then it will take longer naturally, thus you can't compare the 2 minutes to the, say, 9 Minutes, but would have to compare it to proably around 3-4 Minutes (though i can't confirm that yet, although I tihnk I remember a yuotube vid, where that was about the time though)

What I meant with Ressources invested, was also more related to Items (i.e. something you have to buy EVERY time you start the farm cycle anew). Like I don't have to buy tier 2 weapons every time I want to farm another big guy, but, if I'd use Eidolons further time/gil is used every time. Though you don't have to spend more time until you actaully succeed in getting an item, thus the additional time spent is not that much, I guess. I did overlook that.

Also again, yes, for Ingots it defintaley IS the better place, but the drop rate on Traps is 5 times higher for Guis thus to even out the odds you'd have to kill (a very little bit) more than five times the amount of 'Toises in the same time you'd kill one Gui to even out the odds of it dropping a Trap.

Also I really don't know whether Death is that good, maybe I had just really bad luck a few times, but I tried that for a while (about 30 Minutes) and on average it took me about 2 tries to kill the 'Toise (that each used up to 1:00-1:30) so making the average kill rate for Death trick to be around 3 Minutes (yes with Marlboro and debuffs etc. I don't think I messed that one up, though of course always possible).

so for comparison:

Tier 2 equipment

Admentoise = around 3 Minutes
Gui = around 9 Minutes

Tier 3 equipment

Ademantoise = around 1 Minute
Gui = Around 3-4 Minutes

and btw there's also a save point besied that place where all the Ademanchelid used to be on Pulse, so walking time is about 15 seconds, plus you can also reload if you wish to do so. So you don't have to walk around the whole steppe to find some Guis to slay.

so I'd say for Money alone (i.e. Ingots) the 'Toises are better, since they have the same drop rate but can be killed a lot faster. but for Plats I for now stick to my point of Guis being a lot more efficient.

Oh Ok, lol. So you had some bad luck withe the death trick. Understandable because it does require a whole lot of LUCK. But like I said, if you do consider yourself to have a low lv party and don't have a lot of money to spend in the first place, then this is the only way to get you started. Unless of course you're willing to choco dig in the archetype steepe for a while. Also, there's always perfume farming in Eden hall. Rememmber that those soldiers drop, credit/incentive chips, and perfume. Also those vampires drop both perfume and scarletite. AND the Juggernaut at the beginning drops particle accelerators. So if you're strapped for cash and consider yourself to have a low level party, then this is definitely a place to consider.

And yes I agree with you, Toises = better for Ingots, Gui's = better for traps. But to be honest bro, after I maxed out my weapons farming for ingots in Eden, I already had enough traps to make several ultimate weapons. Honestly, I still have a couple laying around lol. Once again that luck factor comes into play.

And also, if we're talking about efficiency here bro, I really don't recommend farming Gui's with tier 2 weapons. I mean lets be realistic here, if you once again don't have that much cash to begin with and are lacking proper equipment, then you;re just setting yoursef up for very quick deaths. These guys might not have variety as far as attack patterns go, but they can still kill you with one attack.

Finally I want to emphasize again that your position in this whole conversation will be dependent on your play-style. If you're like me who did spend some time doing missions in the main story then I can GUARANTEE you that you will have enough money to make at least 1 ultimate weapon to use for the trap triplication trick. again the time you invest in preparing for these battles can only serve to make the experience quicker and far less frustrating.

Yeah, I see we agree on the most parts.

To get you a better view of how I played the game so far: I finished the mainstory without doing more than 6 or so Missions, then I started doing Missions in the postgame but was too lazy to farm for Traps (^^ yeah, I'm really more the Garfield kinda type ^^), so I did all the Missions first (which net me also some nice equipment/cash on the way) and now I'm here on Pulse with Guis walking the place and about 2.5 Mio Gil to spare.

And the question remains "What is now the quickest way to get me the Ultima weapons?" and all I want is trying to figure out the best possible way. In that matter, thanks for pointing out the Tripledismantling thingy, which I totally forgot about. Worth considering.

and since we're at it anyway. You said you were gonna write a Guide about farming anyway, so care to put our brains together to actually figure out the quickest method for getting the Ultimas? Or was the Guide about something else anyway?

Cause it sure would be useful to have such a FAQ posted here with Tables for comparison (like early game/postgame, and how much the time difference that actually is etc., so people will know what they're in for when they start farming at a certain point in the game and know where to go for to spend as little time farming as possible)

In case you're not interested (and/or working on a unrelated guide anyway) I would like to ask permission to use your info on the Eden kills (plus if you could provide the methods/equipment setup if you care enough about it, that would really be great) to put together said guide, so I can try out myself, do the math and put together the Timetables for comparison.

oh and btw, is there anyway to send private messages to users? Cause I just realized we we're discussing in a Question/Answer Page about a more or less unrelated topic ^^

yeah we difinitely think alike bro. The guide im working on right now is about cp farming. Again I am designing this for speed. I actually just finished calculating exact exp on upgrading some of the best weapons to use while farming ( this crap takes a lot of work lol). the great thing about this is that a low level party can start this process with the right tier 2 weapons and not have much problem.

I want to emphasize again that this method will take a bit of prep time but in the long run, properly preparing for this battle will speed up the process all together.

If you want to talk about this more extensively, i would be happy to. My aim sn is juanandonlyyou. also if you want you can add me on facebook if you have an account. just search for juan migelle angelo schroth, you should have no problem finding me. looking forward to meeting u bro.

Also for early farming in eden, I would like to point out that I focused on a defensive approach w/tier 2 weapons. again w/fang being the exception. this allowed me to survive the battles until i amassed enough gill to fully apgrade tier 3 weapons. this was when the battle time took about 3 min 15 sec each. not w/the eidolon trick. full battle.

and yes yo have my permission to use my info, just outline for me exactly what you want to know and ill be happy to help you out.

I have no trouble with Long Gui after I found, that when it lie down, it's succeptable to POISON. So I kill it with 1 elixir with maxed party (Vanilla, Light and Snow). Idea was: summon--cast poison, debuffs, made it Stagger. Than Death from Vanilla and melee from fighters (yes, it's immune to death, but Death give 100000+ magic damage), When Long Gui stand up, it have less than 50% of HP, so elixir and summon again.

p.S. In game you could obtain 1 exilir + 3 elixirs from maxed Doctor's code.