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  • Jan 29, 2013 5:18 pm GMT
    My only problem with the p2p is some people pay 10th others will pay 15.

    My problem with the final fantasy system is the Damn drop rates suck huge cock... I would weather gain points from doing the raid its self and cash out with se and not a ls. You leave your ls for any reason and your points are gone. Just like that.

    Just so yaw don't think I'm a dcuo fan boy I also have issue with that game. Leveling was whack. I know people don't like to party grind but that's fun to me. Also the game is making it too easy for people to get my full tier 4 gear.

    Like buddy said, legendary is not free.
  • Jan 30, 2013 7:40 am GMT
    antoinejones posted...
    lol youre talking to the guy who can beat and platinum demon souls and dark souls.. can now beat every boss in those games without getting touched.. same for ninja gaiden sigma 1 and 2 (though 2 was pretty easy) can get S ranks galore in DMC3 (pre special edition) and can beat EVERY mainstream (i.e 1-6) RE game on default setting with us the knife...


    Are you serious? You're using games like DS and DkS to prove something here? Getting a plat in those games is a dime a dozen, especially with the glitches. So those don't count fro crap. And DMC? Your typical button smasher that any 10 year old can win in? Grats I guess. Come button mash one on one in DCUO and I guarantee you'll get your ass handed to you.


    antoinejones posted...
    in otherwords Ive played and mastered games MUCH more technical than DCUO... its just the fact that DCUO lack of content is what kept be from liking it...

    doing the same 7 alerts, 10 solo quests and 6 duos EVERYDAY and same 3 raids once a week is boring and repetitive.. hows that supposed to keep someone playing for years? sure youll say WKC running big red in WKC1 a million times or grinding the same quest in WKC2 to rank up is no much better.. infact its worse... and yeah i stuck with wkc1 for 3 months... difference is.. trophies its what motivated me to endure that torture... DCUO was platinumed in less than a month.. the rest of the time was spent trying to like the game despite its EXTREME repetitiveness and lack of content.. however it just didnt happen.


    You just didn't get very far. I mean, I can understand your point but when you play a game for a year or so, but in your case it's only a few months and you're complaining about the lack of content I'm gonna call BS. Even if you hit level 30 in a few days, unless you join a league (which I very much doubt you did), you're not even going to touch real endgame content. Doing solo challenges and duos and a four-man alert here and there is just barely scratching the surface as you've admitted above. And what raids? Khandaq and Batcave? Don't make me laugh. I bet you PUG'd all those too. And those are the types of instances that separate people and I guess I know what camp you're in...

    Btw, don't even try to act like you didn't play WKC for that long. You played for the long haul and you just said you plat'd it in another post. I don't care how hard-core a gamer is you cannot plat that game in just three months. Getting the 10 million gold trophy would take you longer than that. Dude, you're always good for a laugh no matter where you post.
  • Jan 30, 2013 7:41 am GMT
    antoinejones posted...

    soo it has nothing to do with gameplay... if FFXI consist of doing the same 10 quests, same 6 duos same 8 alerts once a day and same 4 raids once a week i wouldn't have even played that a full year let alone 8.. however IT had loads of content.. so much so that even in 8 years i hadnt done EVERYTHING the game had to offer.. could someoen whos played DCUO a year say that? nope.


    Yeah, because the constant and unchanging grouping in FFXI for years never changed, right? Nothing like going to the dunes to start group leveling all over again, eh? You must really like boringly grind intensive games.

    Your argument is completely flawed and ironic too as you're complaining about DCUO's lack of content yet FFXI didn't even get an expansion till nearly one year later. That game was pure vanilla until Rise of the Zilart in 2003. DCUO's always had content come out every couple of months since launch and has had twice and many expansions that FFXI did at this point in time. Granted it might not be what people wanted or expected it was still something different.

    So don't try to make it seem as if FFXI was the perfect MMO or even that much better than DCUO, because it really isn't in some ways. And you say that you've played for eight years and didn't do everything FFXI had to offer, I'd say you need to get a faster internet connection and spend less time wandering around aimlessly in an MMO.

    antoinejones posted...
    so when DCUO start popping out fresh new content (adding more raids, duos and alerts its NEW content that just extending existing content() every 2-3 months like FFXI did.. I would still be playing that too.


    Ok, so again, you're making stuff up. SE did not provide any content like you're referring to every 2-3 months. What you think those stupid gimmicky festivals and useless events are content? Seriously? lmao Dude, you don't even know what you're talking about.

    Anyway, come back and see me when you take on PBG and can win that consistently. And when you have your helmet of omni, then maybe I'll give you some leeway in your argument.

    But your bashing of DCUO is pretty pathetic and unwarranted especially for a newb who only played for a couple of months. Gamers like you annoy me the most. Trying to pass yourself off as some kind of gamer badass when more than likely you kept getting your ass handed to you by lower level players when you were in open world PvP so you QQ'd and quit.

    Sounds about right to me.
  • Jan 30, 2013 3:16 pm GMT
    tomo012 posted...
    Are you serious? You're using games like DS and DkS to prove something here? Getting a plat in those games is a dime a dozen, especially with the glitches. So those don't count fro crap. And DMC? Your typical button smasher that any 10 year old can win in? Grats I guess. Come button mash one on one in DCUO and I guarantee you'll get your ass handed to you.


    clearly you missed the part in those posts when listing those game were i mentioned "not getting touched" sure platting DS and DkS is a dime a dozen but how many ppl have perfected those games to the point where they can beat every boss without taking a hit? THAT requires skill

    Also DMC3 is a button masher? Ummm lemme define button masher to you since you clearly dont know what one is... a button masher is a game you can run through and beat 95% of it doing nothing but mashing the attack button... dynasty warriors for example... now i wanna see someoen okay and beat DMC3 doing JUST that without evading or blocking attacks (especially those boss battles) and see how far they get lol.


    tomo012 posted...
    You just didn't get very far. I mean, I can understand your point but when you play a game for a year or so, but in your case it's only a few months and you're complaining about the lack of content I'm gonna call BS. Even if you hit level 30 in a few days, unless you join a league (which I very much doubt you did), you're not even going to touch real endgame content. Doing solo challenges and duos and a four-man alert here and there is just barely scratching the surface as you've admitted above. And what raids? Khandaq and Batcave? Don't make me laugh. I bet you PUG'd all those too. And those are the types of instances that separate people and I guess I know what camp you're in...

    Btw, don't even try to act like you didn't play WKC for that long. You played for the long haul and you just said you plat'd it in another post. I don't care how hard-core a gamer is you cannot plat that game in just three months. Getting the 10 million gold trophy would take you longer than that. Dude, you're always good for a laugh no matter where you post.



    actually in DCUO i had full tier 3 and tier 2.5 PVE gear for both DD and troll. which means i did FoS raids... i also had all the speed feats (including fos2 which i SOLO trolled) and T2 oolong island alert.. the only speed feat I dont have is that t 2.5 Duo

    I also have the FoS3 medic AND sniper feats, as well as all the batcave raid feats.. so yeah ive done a LOT more than you think I have. I stopped playing like a week before the wonder woman raids came out.

    youre also right I didnt have a league a made PUGs for the purpose of accomplishing those tasks.. which if you ask me is even more of an accomplishment considering i know leagues with ppl that dont have em so the thought that i could make a group full of ppl who weren't used to working with eachother and still get **** done sounds like a monumental achievement to me.

    As for WKC my time for that game is 1126 hours I did platinum it in 3 months.. i spent 12 hours a day everyday for 90 days playing that game.. just because YOU dont have that kinda free time on your hands and thus couldnt do it in 9 0days doesnt mean there arent ppl like me out there who indeed CAN.

    Just like in FFXI when a new job came out there was those ppl whod have them to max level before they were even 3 days old. So yeah you might call it not having a life but the fact of the matter is that I did do it.
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  • Jan 30, 2013 3:28 pm GMT
    tomo012 posted...
    Yeah, because the constant and unchanging grouping in FFXI for years never changed, right? Nothing like going to the dunes to start group leveling all over again, eh? You must really like boringly grind intensive games.

    Your argument is completely flawed and ironic too as you're complaining about DCUO's lack of content yet FFXI didn't even get an expansion till nearly one year later. That game was pure vanilla until Rise of the Zilart in 2003. DCUO's always had content come out every couple of months since launch and has had twice and many expansions that FFXI did at this point in time. Granted it might not be what people wanted or expected it was still something different.

    So don't try to make it seem as if FFXI was the perfect MMO or even that much better than DCUO, because it really isn't in some ways. And you say that you've played for eight years and didn't do everything FFXI had to offer, I'd say you need to get a faster internet connection and spend less time wandering around aimlessly in an MMO.


    what you seem to forget is that FFXI didnt come out in the US until 2 years AFTER it was released in Japan and thus we had Zilart from day one with CoP hitting less than a year later. So those of us who started in the US indeed had PLENTY to do to keep us occupied

    tomo012 posted...
    Ok, so again, you're making stuff up. SE did not provide any content like you're referring to every 2-3 months. What you think those stupid gimmicky festivals and useless events are content? Seriously? lmao Dude, you don't even know what you're talking about.

    Anyway, come back and see me when you take on PBG and can win that consistently. And when you have your helmet of omni, then maybe I'll give you some leeway in your argument.

    But your bashing of DCUO is pretty pathetic and unwarranted especially for a newb who only played for a couple of months. Gamers like you annoy me the most. Trying to pass yourself off as some kind of gamer badass when more than likely you kept getting your ass handed to you by lower level players when you were in open world PvP so you QQ'd and quit.

    Sounds about right to me.


    even if it wasnt every 2-3 montsh we got updates that often and new stuff added very regularly throughout teh year.. i mean go find a tim eline and see th etime between:

    Dynamis

    Limbus

    ENM

    BCNMs

    continuing storyline (those definitely WERE every 3 months)

    Salvage

    Assault

    ZNM

    Nyzul Isle

    Einherjar

    Walk of Echoes

    Abyssea

    Pankration

    Ballista

    Beiseiged

    Campaign

    there i just named 16 different forms of content and those were introduced within 3-6 months of each other and Im sure theres other stuff Im forgetting...

    whereas DCUOs list is what? Alert, Duo and Raids? talk to me when DCUO has at least 10 things you can list.

    and when it does add "new content" instead of giving us NEW content like whats listed above it just add on on to its existing content (i.e MORE raids, more alerts, more duos more solo quests). Im sure theres been a few newest things added since i played but its still not half of what FFXI has and will continue to get.
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    My first time and day in Jeuno and the first 6 hours of it is spent staring at a chocobo's butt.
  • Jan 30, 2013 4:15 pm GMT
    the DCU vs FF11 on the FF14 Board-o-meter Reads...

    Tomo: 3
    Antoine: 2

    Antoines behind by one point, but 2D has faith that he can catch up! the pure nostalgia of FF11 is sure to get Antoine some supporters in his FF11 over-praising. meanwhile, that fresh new smell of DCU this gen will draw in the "Frack FF11 nostalgia, this stuff os better" crowd.

    lets see how the rest of this battle plays out oooooonnnn... haven't really thought up a name for this show yet... >.>
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    2-frackin'-D: The voice of the voiceless / Best in the World
  • Jan 30, 2013 8:29 pm GMT
    2DFighter84 posted...
    the DCU vs FF11 on the FF14 Board-o-meter Reads...

    Tomo: 3
    Antoine: 2

    Antoines behind by one point, but 2D has faith that he can catch up! the pure nostalgia of FF11 is sure to get Antoine some supporters in his FF11 over-praising. meanwhile, that fresh new smell of DCU this gen will draw in the "Frack FF11 nostalgia, this stuff os better" crowd.

    lets see how the rest of this battle plays out oooooonnnn... haven't really thought up a name for this show yet... >.>


    that was actually someone amusing :p
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    My first time and day in Jeuno and the first 6 hours of it is spent staring at a chocobo's butt.
  • Jan 30, 2013 11:00 pm GMT
    Phantasy Star Online 2.

    *cough*
  • Feb 1, 2013 12:28 am GMT
    I'm gonna hafta agree with tomo on the points he made. And I played FFXI years too. But I think we can all agree that FFXIV is gonna be better than both FFXI and DCUO. Or at least I'm hoping so.
  • Feb 1, 2013 5:19 am GMT
    WheresMyBikeYo posted...
    I'm gonna hafta agree with tomo on the points he made. And I played FFXI years too. But I think we can all agree that FFXIV is gonna be better than both FFXI and DCUO. Or at least I'm hoping so.


    considering FFXIV will be more "instant gratification" focused and casual, eliminating mostly all the hardcore events of FFXI and packing 80% of the game in instances. Id never find FFXIV better than FFXI.. sure I may like it but FFXI will be liked more
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    My first time and day in Jeuno and the first 6 hours of it is spent staring at a chocobo's butt.
  • Feb 1, 2013 9:19 am GMT
    antoinejones posted...
    what you seem to forget is that FFXI didnt come out in the US until 2 years AFTER it was released in Japan and thus we had Zilart from day one with CoP hitting less than a year later. So those of us who started in the US indeed had PLENTY to do to keep us occupied


    Where did I forget that? I'm not talking about NA release. I'm talking about launch, aka, Japan. Not as much content as you're trying to give it credit.


    antoinejones posted...
    even if it wasnt every 2-3 montsh we got updates that often and new stuff added very regularly throughout teh year.. i mean go find a tim eline and see th etime between:

    Dynamis

    Limbus

    ENM

    BCNMs

    continuing storyline (those definitely WERE every 3 months)

    Salvage

    Assault

    ZNM

    Nyzul Isle

    Einherjar

    Walk of Echoes

    Abyssea

    Pankration

    Ballista

    Beiseiged

    Campaign

    there i just named 16 different forms of content and those were introduced within 3-6 months of each other and Im sure theres other stuff Im forgetting...


    Dynamis -Unending grind that burned everyone out. By the time I joined a linkshell that did Dynamis runs the majority of players stopped running it. One of the most boring things I've ever done in FFXI and I hope to God something like this never makes its way in FFXIV.

    Limbus -Was just as boring as Dynamis. See above.

    ENM -Meh

    BCNMs -This was only created to appease those players who bots were not as good as the linkshells that botted kings 24/7. Despite that, I've always liked BCNMs, but including them as some type of support for you argument for content is kinda el oh el.

    continuing storyline (those definitely WERE every 3 months) -Not really. Storylines were great, I'll give them that, but the lack of solo ablitiy was always a negative in my eyes.

    Salvage -More boring grinding, terrible drop rates, etc.

    Assault -Not soloable, and unless you were with a linkshell getting pick-ups was tough at times, especially since FFXI is a dead game and all since 2010.

    ZNM -Poppable NMs; good idea ridiculous tediousness as usual. The fact that people got sick on Pandemonium after an 18 hour fight shows you how ridiculously bad FFXI had gotten in this regard. Stupidly difficult.

    Nyzul Isle -I always liked Nyzle. Hated the terrible low drop rates and the fact that you needed your own disc to get the best lootz.

    Einherjar -Didn't care much for it.

    Walk of Echoes -Never played

    Abyssea -Never played

    Pankration -FFXI version of pokemons in a sense. Take pics of mobs. Lame.

    Ballista -Boring as PvP ins FFXI was terrible. Turn based player fights! FuggYeah!

    Not.

    Beiseiged -Constant lag freezefest and not getting credit half the way. Interesting idea, but didn't work so great.

    Campaign - I liked campaign. It was fun. Minus the lag and freezes when things got really crazy though.
  • Feb 1, 2013 9:19 am GMT
    Like you, I could list a whole bunch of stuff that DCUO has come out with since launch and just as I've done above I can easily do for DCUO as their game by far is not perfect by a long shot which leads me to remind you that there is not such thing as a flawless game and comparing the two (as it's pretty much apples to oranges comparison) but you knocking a game you barely scratched the surface of in the manner that you are is completely unwarranted.

    Basically, you're trying to make it seem like you're some hardcore vet when it comes to DCUO, yet all you've done is the newb stuff after hitting 30. And what MMO isn't a grind of doing the same thing over and over and over and over again? You think FFXI is the exception to this rule? C'mon, man! I guess your sig makes sense if all you did was stand around in Jeuno, not doing anything but stare at chocobo ass. Your argument has absolutely zero merit.


    antoinejones posted...
    whereas DCUOs list is what? Alert, Duo and Raids? talk to me when DCUO has at least 10 things you can list.


    Are you really this unfamiliar about the instances in DCUO? Other than the solo challenges and duos and a few 4 person alerts, they are not the same. Do you not realize how many different basic storylines there are in DCUO? And you played all six, both hero and villain? Yeah, I'm thinking no you have not.

    For a game that's only been out for barely two years, they've done pretty good in providing content. Just because that content doesn't satisfy you or a small group of gamers doesn't mean others should automatically put DCUO down and write it off. It's just not that simple.

    antoinejones posted...

    and when it does add "new content" instead of giving us NEW content like whats listed above it just add on on to its existing content (i.e MORE raids, more alerts, more duos more solo quests). Im sure theres been a few newest things added since i played but its still not half of what FFXI has and will continue to get.


    Dude, it's way more than what FFXI had in two years. You'd have to be mental to not realize or accept that.
  • Feb 2, 2013 11:02 pm GMT
    yeah all that stuff i listed in FFXI is mostly low drop rate grinding... and i can list quite a few of em that i didnt care for myself... the point im making is at least i had OPTIONS... i had 30 DIFFERENT low drop rate grinding events to partake in as opposed to 3?..

    and FFXI hasnt gotten new content since 2010? really? because I can easily name new stuff thats come out since then. As far as DCUO having more than what I claim... go ahead and list them... better yet... Ill make the question even easier for you... name content/events on DCUO that werent labeled as RAID, alert, duo or quests (every MMO has quests so that hardly counts)...


    oh and i just love ppls silly complaint (the one you used in your previous post) of"i dindt liek it... needed a group/party for that/no soloablity" umm its a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE rpg..

    having to depend on others to do things makes PERFECT sense.... if you wanna solo.. theres about 1000 single player games out there....it almost makes me die laughing when ppl whine about not being able to solo in an mmo...if i didnt wanna play an RPG with OTHERS i can name MUCH better games i could play than FFXI (or XIV for that matter)

    A for the whole launch thing.. launch for us was 2 year later.. and EU came even later than that.. so there was plenty of content for us right out the gate... unless youre japanese you cant play the "not much content at the start" card because "the start" for YOU was 2 years after everyone else (japan)
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    My first time and day in Jeuno and the first 6 hours of it is spent staring at a chocobo's butt.
  • Feb 4, 2013 1:29 pm GMT
    You do know that plenty of gaijin played FFXI when it first come out in Japan right? The Japanese were not the only ones playing at first launch.

    Anyway, my point stands as your lack of credibility to attack DCUO is only testament to your lack of getting anywhere good in the game. Doing a T1 raid is not the same as a T4. Getting T1 gear is not the same as T4. You got bored of DCUO. So what? Everyone gets bored of a game at one point or another. But to outrageously claim it was due to lack of content? Yeah, gonna call BS on you every time you try to pull that.
  • Feb 4, 2013 2:16 pm GMT
    tomo012 posted...
    You do know that plenty of gaijin played FFXI when it first come out in Japan right? The Japanese were not the only ones playing at first launch.

    Anyway, my point stands as your lack of credibility to attack DCUO is only testament to your lack of getting anywhere good in the game. Doing a T1 raid is not the same as a T4. Getting T1 gear is not the same as T4. You got bored of DCUO. So what? Everyone gets bored of a game at one point or another. But to outrageously claim it was due to lack of content? Yeah, gonna call BS on you every time you try to pull that.


    and youre lack of reading ability is worse then my credibility considering numerous posts say i have full t2.5 AND t3 gear meaning im way past T1.. i would say getting pull T3 gear for BOTH my roles and full T2 PVP gear gives me plenty of credibility to form an opinion ion the game... not to mention all the feats i accomplished... I bet i have feats that even YOU dont (feel free to read some of teh previous posts to see what they are). so yeah i would think playin that game for 2 months everyday at 8-12 hours a day gives me MORE than enough right to bash how inferior i think it is to other MMOs. unlike those ppl who play a game 30 minutes (or dont play it at all and just go by what they see in trailers) before talking crap .

    Oh and btw you still failed to answer my extremely simple question
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    you tell em!
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  • Feb 5, 2013 6:00 pm GMT
    2DFighter84 posted...
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    you tell em!


    lol
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  • Feb 6, 2013 10:31 am GMT
    2DFighter84 posted...
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    you tell em!


    What's the point? People like Antoine will always be clueless and annoying so it's futile to bother with pointing out his ignorance and his lack of understanding in general. Never worked on the WKC board and it most certainly will not work here.
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