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Religion hurts society: Unecessary deaths due to illness

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  • C_Town_Soul
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:35 am GMT

    Okay lately I've been hearing about too many preventative deaths because of people's religious beliefs. To begin with, I'll admit not all religious people have had their brains sucked out in freak vaccuum accidents and realize when it's time to see a doctor; however, there are still those that have that pre-medieval mindset to take everything from their religious writings literally word for word. Thus, they base all their decisions on their religious beliefs even in life or death situations.

    These things happen all the time. A child dies from a normally curable illness because their parents chose to use prayer instead of bringing the child to a doctor. There are plenty of people who are just like this; it baffles me. Here I will list some relatively recent events of this sort:

    • You all heard about this one. 11-year-old girl dies from treatable form of diabetes because her parents chose prayer instead of medication. The family believes in the bible and that all healing comes from god. They believed that through enough prayer that their daughter would get better.
    • Baby dies from an untreated infection which is easily cured with antibiotics. The parents belong to The Followers of Christ which preach against medical care and have a history of treating gravely ill children with prayer alone. This also happened in March. The parents have been charged for the death with manslaughter and criminal mistreatment.
    • Boy refuses blood transfusion, dies. He was a Jehovah's Witness, whom believe that blood transfusions make you "impure"

    There are probably countless stories of death because of religious beliefs. The problem is people take everything they read from their religion literally. Take the bible for instance. There are numerous times where it says prayer is the answer to cure illness.

    John 15:7: "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will be given you. This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples."

    Basically prayer for anything and it shall be answered. Of course, of two of the links I posted, that wasn't the case.

    When will the rest of society move away from this mindset and breathe in the fresh air of reality? I'm tired of seeing these sad stories pop up in the news. People are dying for no reason. When will religion cease to exist?

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    Okay lately I've been hearing about too many preventative deaths because of people's religious beliefs. To begin with, I'll admit not all religious people have had their brains sucked out in freak vaccuum accidents and realize when it's time to see a doctor; however, there are still those that have that pre-medieval mindset to take everything from their religious writings literally word for word. Thus, they base all their decisions on their religious beliefs even in life or death situations.

    These things happen all the time. A child dies from a normally curable illness because their parents chose to use prayer instead of bringing the child to a doctor. There are plenty of people who are just like this; it baffles me. Here I will list some relatively recent events of this sort:

    • You all heard about this one. 11-year-old girl dies from treatable form of diabetes because her parents chose prayer instead of medication. The family believes in the bible and that all healing comes from god. They believed that through enough prayer that their daughter would get better.
    • Baby dies from an untreated infection which is easily cured with antibiotics. The parents belong to The Followers of Christ which preach against medical care and have a history of treating gravely ill children with prayer alone. This also happened in March. The parents have been charged for the death with manslaughter and criminal mistreatment.
    • Boy refuses blood transfusion, dies. He was a Jehovah's Witness, whom believe that blood transfusions make you "impure"

    There are probably countless stories of death because of religious beliefs. The problem is people take everything they read from their religion literally. Take the bible for instance. There are numerous times where it says prayer is the answer to cure illness.

    John 15:7: "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will be given you. This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples."

    Basically prayer for anything and it shall be answered. Of course, of two of the links I posted, that wasn't the case.

    When will the rest of society move away from this mindset and breathe in the fresh air of reality? I'm tired of seeing these sad stories pop up in the news. People are dying for no reason. When will religion cease to exist?

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  • hormagaunt
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:37 am GMT

    no way im reading a wall of text about religeon, especially when there is a bible quote in there, gah!!

    however i did read you last text and thank god (ha ha no pun in tended) its easy to answer.

    never!

    no way im reading a wall of text about religeon, especially when there is a bible quote in there, gah!!

    however i did read you last text and thank god (ha ha no pun in tended) its easy to answer.

    never!

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  • Wetall_basic
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:37 am GMT
    Stupid people arn't limited to religion. It's hardly religion's fault.


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    Stupid people arn't limited to religion. It's hardly religion's fault.
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  • americahellyeah
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:39 am GMT
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.
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  • wemhim
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:40 am GMT
    americahellyeah wrote:
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.
    If they were meant to die they couldn't be cured...

    [QUOTE="americahellyeah"]those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.[/QUOTE]If they were meant to die they couldn't be cured...
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  • domatron23
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:41 am GMT
    I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.

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    I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.
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  • americahellyeah
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:41 am GMT

    wemhim wrote:
    americahellyeah wrote:
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.
    If they were meant to die they couldn't be cured...

    if they were meant to live they would've been cured.

    [QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"]those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.[/QUOTE]If they were meant to die they couldn't be cured...
    [/QUOTE]

    if they were meant to live they would've been cured.

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  • born_for_porn
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:42 am GMT

    americahellyeah wrote:
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.

    [QUOTE="americahellyeah"]those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.[/QUOTE]

    :shock:

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  • C_Town_Soul
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:42 am GMT
    americahellyeah wrote:
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.
    Of course everyone is meant to die at some point, but these people had their lives ahead of them. Who knows what they could have accomplished?

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    [QUOTE="americahellyeah"]those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.[/QUOTE]Of course everyone is meant to die at some point, but these people had their lives ahead of them. Who knows what they could have accomplished?
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  • Scarface_tm431
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:42 am GMT
    You can't blame the religion at all. I'm sure there are other people who study those religion who would've gotten professional help without second-guessing. It's all up to the person
    You can't blame the religion at all. I'm sure there are other people who study those religion who would've gotten professional help without second-guessing. It's all up to the person
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  • wemhim
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:42 am GMT
    americahellyeah wrote:

    wemhim wrote:
    americahellyeah wrote:
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.
    If they were meant to die they couldn't be cured...

    if they were meant to live they would've been cured.

    Oh, so now you're saying everything that happens is controlled by fate? You have no proof of that.

    [QUOTE="americahellyeah"]

    [QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"]those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.[/QUOTE]If they were meant to die they couldn't be cured...
    [/QUOTE]

    if they were meant to live they would've been cured.

    [/QUOTE]Oh, so now you're saying everything that happens is controlled by fate? You have no proof of that.
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  • 123625
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:44 am GMT
    Christianity isn't against medical treatment. I think one of the disciples was a docter or something along those lines and jesus did'nt tell him to stop. Though correct me if im wrong. I also think people who pray to God and expect something to happen when help is available with out the need of a miracle are just stupid.

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    Christianity isn't against medical treatment. I think one of the disciples was a docter or something along those lines and jesus did'nt tell him to stop. Though correct me if im wrong. I also think people who pray to God and expect something to happen when help is available with out the need of a miracle are just stupid.
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  • C_Town_Soul
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:46 am GMT
    I don't know why I posted this thread so late. I'm going to bed.

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    I don't know why I posted this thread so late. I'm going to bed.
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  • americahellyeah
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:47 am GMT
    wemhim wrote:
    americahellyeah wrote:

    wemhim wrote:
    americahellyeah wrote:
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.
    If they were meant to die they couldn't be cured...

    if they were meant to live they would've been cured.

    Oh, so now you're saying everything that happens is controlled by fate? You have no proof of that.

    and you have no proof that it isn't, i'm not a Jebus-freak... (i'm actually jewish) but everythign that happens had to have happened and couldn't have happened any other way, no matter what you believe, what has happened, must have happened, despite what people think contrary to the theory, its rather tough to argue with.

    [QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"]

    [QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"]those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.[/QUOTE]If they were meant to die they couldn't be cured...
    [/QUOTE]

    if they were meant to live they would've been cured.

    [/QUOTE]Oh, so now you're saying everything that happens is controlled by fate? You have no proof of that.
    [/QUOTE]

    and you have no proof that it isn't, i'm not a Jebus-freak... (i'm actually jewish) but everythign that happens had to have happened and couldn't have happened any other way, no matter what you believe, what has happened, must have happened, despite what people think contrary to the theory, its rather tough to argue with.

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  • americahellyeah
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:49 am GMT

    C_Town_Soul wrote:
    americahellyeah wrote:
    those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.
    Of course everyone is meant to die at some point, but these people had their lives ahead of them. Who knows what they could have accomplished?

    who knows what evil they could've done, if they weren't meant to live, they die. simple as that.... if i'm not meant to live, i die.. thats just the way things are.

    [QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="americahellyeah"]those deaths are necessary for the world to survive, yes many of them are avoidable, but if they were meant to die, then they were meant to die.... no one can escape fate.[/QUOTE]Of course everyone is meant to die at some point, but these people had their lives ahead of them. Who knows what they could have accomplished?[/QUOTE]

    who knows what evil they could've done, if they weren't meant to live, they die. simple as that.... if i'm not meant to live, i die.. thats just the way things are.

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  • wemhim
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 1:52 am GMT
    domatron23 wrote:
    I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.
    I agree. As time goes on I expect more religious sects that accompany modern times(Acceptance of certain things that certain religions don't agree with, among other things, such as the whole scientific evidence thing) as well as different interpretations(Such as the whole 6000 years old thing). I expect them in the future to be more so hedonistic but consensually hedonistic, similar to secular humanism but with religious organization. Already I find most self identified Christians not going to church and not being as against certain things such as lust... Religion will always exist, but I think it'll be less so about practicing and more about believing, as in not going to church but thinking there's a heaven.

    [QUOTE="domatron23"]I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.[/QUOTE]I agree. As time goes on I expect more religious sects that accompany modern times(Acceptance of certain things that certain religions don't agree with, among other things, such as the whole scientific evidence thing) as well as different interpretations(Such as the whole 6000 years old thing). I expect them in the future to be more so hedonistic but consensually hedonistic, similar to secular humanism but with religious organization. Already I find most self identified Christians not going to church and not being as against certain things such as lust... Religion will always exist, but I think it'll be less so about practicing and more about believing, as in not going to church but thinking there's a heaven.
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  • RationalAtheist
     
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    The witholding of medical assistance by relgious types pales into insignificance when compared to killings through religious intolerence and aggression.

    domatron23 wrote:
    I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.

    Religion is not necessary - Have you been to northern Europe?

    What are these "fitness values" you talk of?


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    The witholding of medical assistance by relgious types pales into insignificance when compared to killings through religious intolerence and aggression.

    [QUOTE="domatron23"]I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.[/QUOTE]

    Religion is not necessary - Have you been to northern Europe?

    What are these "fitness values" you talk of?

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  • americahellyeah
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 2:17 am GMT
    RationalAtheist wrote:

    The witholding of medical assistance by relgious types pales into insignificance when compared to killings through religious intolerence and aggression.

    domatron23 wrote:
    I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.

    Religion is not necessary - Have you been to northern Europe?

    What are these "fitness values" you talk of?

    agreed, when thousands of people die everyday because of religious beliefs why should we focus on the 3 kids whose parents just weren't that bright.

    [QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

    The witholding of medical assistance by relgious types pales into insignificance when compared to killings through religious intolerence and aggression.

    [QUOTE="domatron23"]I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.[/QUOTE]

    Religion is not necessary - Have you been to northern Europe?

    What are these "fitness values" you talk of?

    [/QUOTE]

    agreed, when thousands of people die everyday because of religious beliefs why should we focus on the 3 kids whose parents just weren't that bright.

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  • wemhim
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 2:23 am GMT
    RationalAtheist wrote:

    The witholding of medical assistance by relgious types pales into insignificance when compared to killings through religious intolerence and aggression.

    domatron23 wrote:
    I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.

    Religion is not necessary - Have you been to northern Europe?

    What are these "fitness values" you talk of?

    I actually agree with that too. Secularism is huge in Europe, and they're a bunch of nice people, and they like sex.

    [QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

    The witholding of medical assistance by relgious types pales into insignificance when compared to killings through religious intolerence and aggression.

    [QUOTE="domatron23"]I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.[/QUOTE]

    Religion is not necessary - Have you been to northern Europe?

    What are these "fitness values" you talk of?

    [/QUOTE]I actually agree with that too. Secularism is huge in Europe, and they're a bunch of nice people, and they like sex.
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  • americahellyeah
     
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    Apr 1, 2008 2:26 am GMT
    wemhim wrote:
    RationalAtheist wrote:

    The witholding of medical assistance by relgious types pales into insignificance when compared to killings through religious intolerence and aggression.

    domatron23 wrote:
    I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.

    Religion is not necessary - Have you been to northern Europe?

    What are these "fitness values" you talk of?

    I actually agree with that too. Secularism is huge in Europe, and they're a bunch of nice people, and they like sex.

    lol, Europe FTW!

    [QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

    The witholding of medical assistance by relgious types pales into insignificance when compared to killings through religious intolerence and aggression.

    [QUOTE="domatron23"]I agree that that one aspect of Christianity (praying for healing) can be done without, but religion as a whole? Nope I'm sorry but religion is necessary, it has fitness value you know.[/QUOTE]

    Religion is not necessary - Have you been to northern Europe?

    What are these "fitness values" you talk of?

    [/QUOTE]I actually agree with that too. Secularism is huge in Europe, and they're a bunch of nice people, and they like sex.
    [/QUOTE]

    lol, Europe FTW! :P

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