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Isn't the Epic "Gears of War" deal with Microsoft 2 games?
- Nov 13, 2008 9:32 am GMT
[QUOTE="PS_John"][QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]are cows really this desperate for GeoW to go as far as to examine loopholes in contracts?[/QUOTE]
No, I don't know any PS3 owners who want Gears of War on the PS3.. We can already play the first on the PC and no doubt Gears 2 will also be on the PC next year!
Maybe if it was on the PS3 though, there wouldn't be so much lag online and matchmaking problems
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Sure PS_John, whatever you say...
Yeah, because every PC can handle Gears 1... And Gears 2 has been confirmed not coming to PC... Never.
Sure PS_John, whatever you say...
It is good having you back! We missed you! :)
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- Nov 13, 2008 9:35 am GMT

[QUOTE="PS_John"][QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]are cows really this desperate for GeoW to go as far as to examine loopholes in contracts?[/QUOTE]
No, I don't know any PS3 owners who want Gears of War on the PS3.. We can already play the first on the PC and no doubt Gears 2 will also be on the PC next year!
Maybe if it was on the PS3 though, there wouldn't be so much lag online and matchmaking problems
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PS_John. I see him!
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- Nov 13, 2008 9:36 am GMT[QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]
I love how the TC says he would buy Gears 3 no matter what, then his sig says Gears is one of the most overrated games ever.
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It is. So is Halo. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. Many gamers think Gears and Halo are the best shooters EVER. I don't. THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Try not to read too much into it. A game can be a good game yet be overrated and overhyped. Quite frankly I thought MGS4 wqas overrated and overhyped as well but I made that sig long before MGS4 came out.
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- Nov 13, 2008 9:37 am GMT

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]I love how the TC says he would buy Gears 3 no matter what, then his sig says Gears is one of the most overrated games ever.
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It is. So is Halo. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. Many gamers think Gears and Halo are the best shooters EVER. I don't. THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Try not to read too much into it. A game can be a good game yet be overrated and overhyped. Quite frankly I thought MGS4 wqas overrated and overhyped as well but I made that sig long before MGS4 came out.
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Your logic has no place in System Wars!
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- Nov 13, 2008 9:39 am GMTI think it woulden't be overly beneficial for MS to want to publish the third one as well, it sells amazingly on the 360, and even if the third one was to go multiplatform, MS might spend less money, but there would still be a huge amount of sales for the 360 version, placing it on the PS3 as well might get Epic some extra cash while MS woulden't really lose out on anything. Thats how I see it from a financial stand point, otherwise, I don't care for Gears of War, I got the first one on PC and it bores me, so whatever floats their boat.
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- Nov 13, 2008 9:42 am GMT
[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]are cows really this desperate for GeoW to go as far as to examine loopholes in contracts?[/QUOTE]
Almost every third party developer has stated, quite bluntly, that third party exclusives this gen are a thing of the past.
Production costs for games now is astronomical and these developers want to make as much money as possible. There are almost no third party exclusives anymore...period. Timed doesn't count. I'm talking EXLCUSIVE.
Now Gears was exclusive and signed a multi game deal with Microsoft. However, that contact is up as of the second Gears. The question is will Microsoft pay enough to keep it exclusive? Do you REALLY think Epic (screw Cliffy B, he's just a dev, not a president, CEO or anything like that of Epic) would throw away millions of multiplat dollars if Microsoft doesn't put up money again?
One thing ALL fanbois from ALL platforms need to understand. CEOs and boards aren't fanbois. They care about one thing, getting as much money as possible. Period. No debate.
If Microsoft doesn't cough up more money, I'd bet a month's salary it goes multiplat. Epic is a third party publisher. They have no loyalty to anyone but their bottom line. Their bottom line was propped up by the millions Microsoft gave them for the first two Gears. THAT is why it was an exlcusive, not because of some love of Microsoft.
So in my opinion it all depends on the paycheck Microsoft waves in their faces for continued exclusivity. If Epic's finaciers think they can get a significant amount more by going multiplatform, they will in a heartbeat. Epic has all the cards, not Microsoft.
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- Nov 13, 2008 9:48 am GMT
[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]are cows really this desperate for GeoW to go as far as to examine loopholes in contracts?[/QUOTE]
Almost every third party developer has stated, quite bluntly, that third party exclusives this gen are a thing of the past.
Production costs for games now is astronomical and these developers want to make as much money as possible. There are almost no third party exclusives anymore...period. Timed doesn't count. I'm talking EXLCUSIVE.
Now Gears was exclusive and signed a multi game deal with Microsoft. However, that contact is up as of the second Gears. The question is will Microsoft pay enough to keep it exclusive? Do you REALLY think Epic (screw Cliffy B, he's just a dev, not a president, CEO or anything like that of Epic) would throw away millions of multiplat dollars if Microsoft doesn't put up money again?
One thing ALL fanbois from ALL platforms need to understand. CEOs and boards aren't fanbois. They care about one thing, getting as much money as possible. Period. No debate.
If Microsoft doesn't cough up more money, I'd bet a month's salary it goes multiplat. Epic is a third party publisher. They have no loyalty to anyone but their bottom line. Their bottom line was propped up by the millions Microsoft gave them for the first two Gears. THAT is why it was an exlcusive, not because of some love of Microsoft.
So in my opinion it all depends on the paycheck Microsoft waves in their faces for continued exclusivity. If Epic's finaciers think they can get a significant amount more by going multiplatform, they will in a heartbeat. Epic has all the cards, not Microsoft.
[/QUOTE]There's one huge issue that you are overlooking: MS put up a lot of cash to make Gears the success that it is today. It was MS that put up huge sums of cash to market the game and we all know how well that worked out. While commercial businesses aren't "fanbois" as you put it, they should at least have the common sense not to screw up a business partnership that has served them well.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 13, 2008 9:51 am GMT
all that means is that when Epic starts considering publishers for Gears of War 3 is that Epic will be seeing alot of green coming from Microsoft.....Epic will make sure they get a big payday from Microsoft for Gears of War 3.
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- Nov 13, 2008 9:53 am GMT
Oh c'mon. You make it sound like Microsoft did all this because they are benevolent. They did it for MONEY.
Again, it's the bottom line. If Microsoft coughs up a bunch more money, Gears will stay multiplat. If Epic's board (if they have a board, whoever makes the financial decisions) doesn't think it's enough or they think they can make significantly more going multplat, they will.
Epic doesn't need Microsoft. The Gears name has transcended Microsoft. Every gamer knows what Gears of War is and most enjoy it on some level.
On top of that there is one thing you need to remember. Gears will no longer be a "system seller" when Gears 3 comes out. By that time almost everyone will already have one of the consoles. So Microsoft may not WANT to pay out much to keep it exclusive since they know it has alreayd pushed console sales with the first two.
Console sellers tend to come out the first three years or so of a console's lifespan. By then almost everyone who is ineterested in gaming will have one.
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- Nov 13, 2008 10:09 am GMT
[QUOTE="Xalaten"]Oh c'mon. You make it sound like Microsoft did all this because they are benevolent. They did it for MONEY.
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I hate to break this to you but all businesses are in it for the money. What's next? Are you going to tell me that we need oxygen to breathe? God, I hope not. I don't know how people are going to take that.
Epic doesn't need Microsoft, but why would you want to screw one of the largest corporations in the world when you don't need to?
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- Nov 13, 2008 10:15 am GMT[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]
Oh c'mon. You make it sound like Microsoft did all this because they are benevolent. They did it for MONEY.
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I hate to break this to you but all businesses are in it for the money. What's next? Are you going to tell me that we need oxygen to breathe? God, I hope not. I don't know how people are going to take that.
Epic doesn't need Microsoft, but why would you want to screw one of the largest corporations in the world when you don't need to?
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So now looking out for yourself as a company and making sure your employees get paid is screwing someone else?
Nice.
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- Nov 13, 2008 10:15 am GMT
[QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]I love how the TC says he would buy Gears 3 no matter what, then his sig says Gears is one of the most overrated games ever.
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just because a game is overated doesnt mean that its bad;)
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- Nov 13, 2008 10:17 am GMT
there is no talk of gears 3 right now, thats why it hasnt been locked up by MS
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- Nov 13, 2008 10:33 am GMT[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]
Oh c'mon. You make it sound like Microsoft did all this because they are benevolent. They did it for MONEY.
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I hate to break this to you but all businesses are in it for the money. What's next? Are you going to tell me that we need oxygen to breathe? God, I hope not. I don't know how people are going to take that.
Epic doesn't need Microsoft, but why would you want to screw one of the largest corporations in the world when you don't need to?
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It's all business. How would Epic strain their relationship with MS if they decide to do what's best for their company and go multiplat. There is no loyalty within companies, yes workign relationships, but not loyalty. You can see that with Square Enix, who jumped at the opportunity to go multiplat, even though they were only PS exclusive with the majority of their titles. PS didn't want to pony up the money, so we go multiplat. No harm between them, no foul. They are still working with SE. Look at Namco with Tekken. Tekken has never really appeared on any system other than the PS. Sony made the game a household name, but they jumped ship! Same with Eidos and Tomb Raider, Capcom and Resident Evil, etc. List goes on and on.
MS will have to pay to keep it exclusive, and they will prob pay. From a financial stand point, this doens't make sense in the short run. But in the long run it does, since it creates even more loyalty to the current system and future systems by MS. The next gen xbox can come out with some other iteration of gears and that will be that gen's system seller. Many bought PS3 for such 3rd party exclusives as MGS4, which was a system seller. Many bought it for other system sellers such as Final Fantasy, GTA4, Tekken, which were slated to be ps3 exclusives. While 3rd party exclusives are becoming extinct, MS and Sony have to be wise what games to pay for exclusivity. I guarantee that had FFXIII and GtaIV remain exclusive, PS3 would have moved even more units than it already had.
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- Nov 13, 2008 10:40 am GMT[QUOTE="PS_John"]
Maybe if it was on the PS3 though, there wouldn't be so much lag online and matchmaking problems
[/QUOTE]Just like SOCOM, right? :D- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 13, 2008 10:43 am GMT
I do not think Epic will ever put Gears on the PS3.
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- Nov 13, 2008 10:50 am GMT
[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]Oh c'mon. You make it sound like Microsoft did all this because they are benevolent. They did it for MONEY.
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I hate to break this to you but all businesses are in it for the money. What's next? Are you going to tell me that we need oxygen to breathe? God, I hope not. I don't know how people are going to take that.
Epic doesn't need Microsoft, but why would you want to screw one of the largest corporations in the world when you don't need to?
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So now looking out for yourself as a company and making sure your employees get paid is screwing someone else?
Nice.
[/QUOTE]Lol. You act like Gears sold 3 copies and they need to go multiplat. I never said that Epic couldn't or wouldn't do it, I said it was highly unlikely given their successful relationship with Microsolft and the fact that MS has basically paid to market Gears to their fanbase. They saved millions of dollars in marketing for both games. I'll bet Insomniac wished Sony did that for them when Resistance launched.
Will Gears sell on the PS3? Probably. But you can bet that if that happens their marketing deal with MS goes poof and they have to kick out the dough themselves to push the 3rd game. I'm sure they'd rather not have to do that.
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- I think MS has Epic and the Gears franchise pretty well locked up. Heck, MS may have the leverage and dare Epic to work with the PS3 HW again. :P
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- Nov 13, 2008 11:23 am GMT
[QUOTE="KinderChimp"]I really doubt it that MS will let GeOW 3 go multiplat. Its too much of a big exclusive and IMO is like the original xbox's halo. It's what basically kick-started this gen.[/QUOTE]the man talks sense- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.




