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Hddvd still being used?
- Oct 5, 2012 10:38 pm GMTI still have HD-DVD's (around 30). Quality was as good as blu-ray at the time, but like anything else as companies get used to the tech they can turn out better product if they feel like it (assuming they don't want to make it so good that they can't sell the deluxe version again two years later). I have a twice used 360 drive in a box, a Tosh HDA2 also almost new that's not being used, and my trusty LG BH200 combo player that I do use which can play HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. It is an excellent player with QDEO processsing.
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- Oct 27, 2012 6:44 pm GMT
Just found some one selling a Toshiba high end HD-DVD player... starting bid was NOK 500 (about $85).. I bid NOK 525,-
Its got 14 days left, I hope I get it
it includes 5 films too, and I don't have them on blu-ray so that's cool too.
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Just found some one selling a Toshiba high end HD-DVD player... starting bid was NOK 500 (about $85).. I bid NOK 525,-
Its got 14 days left, I hope I get it :)
it includes 5 films too, and I don't have them on blu-ray so that's cool too.
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- Oct 30, 2012 3:07 pm GMT
ps4 price at launch
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premium -first born child
I honestly never bothered with hd dvds , blu-rays are the better format , but even then i dont notice much differents in many of my favorite movies of course its probably due to the fact that i use my ps3 , the only time i notice difference is disney movies the color seams better on bluray
the vhs vs dvd is bigger then the dvd vs bluray because there really isnt much different about it
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- Oct 31, 2012 8:15 am GMT[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]
I honestly never bothered with hd dvds , blu-rays are the better format , but even then i dont notice much differents in many of my favorite movies of course its probably due to the fact that i use my ps3 , the only time i notice difference is disney movies the color seams better on bluray
the vhs vs dvd is bigger then the dvd vs bluray because there really isnt much different about it
[/QUOTE] I can assure you there is a huge difference. You can achieve very solid PQ with DVD, but it's takes damn good processing and a display to do it. Put em side by side, and the differences become even larger. My wife thought the same thing for the longest time, but the more and more she was exposed to HD formats, the more she tended to agree and now much prefers it.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 31, 2012 10:20 am GMT
[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]I honestly never bothered with hd dvds , blu-rays are the better format , but even then i dont notice much differents in many of my favorite movies of course its probably due to the fact that i use my ps3 , the only time i notice difference is disney movies the color seams better on bluray
the vhs vs dvd is bigger then the dvd vs bluray because there really isnt much different about it
[/QUOTE] I can assure you there is a huge difference. You can achieve very solid PQ with DVD, but it's takes damn good processing and a display to do it. Put em side by side, and the differences become even larger. My wife thought the same thing for the longest time, but the more and more she was exposed to HD formats, the more she tended to agree and now much prefers it.[/QUOTE] I don't know if it beats VHS to DVD though, digital was a big improvement- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 3, 2012 3:09 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]
The only reason the sound was better on Bluray is because it can hold more space.
All they are is storage, there is no quality difference between HD-dvd,and Bluray in actual quality, just what all can be fit on the disc.
The bigger space on bluray allows for higher resolution, and higher bit depth, because it has more space.
You could literally get the same crap by having a 32gb USB stick... with the movie and sound on it. (but it would probably load much faster than the disc)
[/QUOTE] While I agree that in the real world space is all that matters, theoretically it's also bandwidth. If you stored 5 seconds of ultra high quality video on a blu-ray, it might fit, but the bit-rate would be too high to play in realtime (copying from the disc to ram).[/QUOTE]
True, Space is only half the story, your right about the other half being transfer rate (in all cases)... Much like trying to watch a Hi-def video streaming over a connection that just can't handle it.
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- Nov 4, 2012 4:38 am GMTwhaaat? DVD quality is so bad I can't even watch one anymoremariokart64fan wrote:
I honestly never bothered with hd dvds , blu-rays are the better format , but even then i dont notice much differents in many of my favorite movies of course its probably due to the fact that i use my ps3 , the only time i notice difference is disney movies the color seams better on bluray
the vhs vs dvd is bigger then the dvd vs bluray because there really isnt much different about it
VHS vs "random" DVD player displaying a DVD in 720x480p = not that much difference in PQ IMO, especially if viewed on a CRT.
DVD on "random" DVD player vs blu-ray quality is a HUGE difference! its like 2 million pixels against 500K, and especially when viewed on a flat screen the difference is night and day..
Now a DVD played on an Oppo BDP 93/95/103/105 or Cambridge 651/751 upscaling them to 1080p at almost BD-quality.. the difference is VERY subtle, but still around the same level as VHS --> DVD. LaserDisc was a really cool format too, I miss that
The titanic/mona lisa/bible/MGS4/Patek Phillipe/GT-R of speakers:
capable of 1hz-105khz at perfect sound quality, the 12.12 channel Snell THX Reference system
[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]I honestly never bothered with hd dvds , blu-rays are the better format , but even then i dont notice much differents in many of my favorite movies of course its probably due to the fact that i use my ps3 , the only time i notice difference is disney movies the color seams better on bluray
the vhs vs dvd is bigger then the dvd vs bluray because there really isnt much different about it
[/QUOTE] whaaat? DVD quality is so bad I can't even watch one anymore VHS vs "random" DVD player displaying a DVD in 720x480p = not that much difference in PQ IMO, especially if viewed on a CRT. DVD on "random" DVD player vs blu-ray quality is a HUGE difference! its like 2 million pixels against 500K, and especially when viewed on a flat screen the difference is night and day.. Now a DVD played on an Oppo BDP 93/95/103/105 or Cambridge 651/751 upscaling them to 1080p at almost BD-quality.. the difference is VERY subtle, but still around the same level as VHS --> DVD. LaserDisc was a really cool format too, I miss that :(- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 8, 2012 2:53 am GMTMozelleple112 wrote:whaaat? DVD quality is so bad I can't even watch one anymoremariokart64fan wrote:
I honestly never bothered with hd dvds , blu-rays are the better format , but even then i dont notice much differents in many of my favorite movies of course its probably due to the fact that i use my ps3 , the only time i notice difference is disney movies the color seams better on bluray
the vhs vs dvd is bigger then the dvd vs bluray because there really isnt much different about it
VHS vs "random" DVD player displaying a DVD in 720x480p = not that much difference in PQ IMO, especially if viewed on a CRT.
DVD on "random" DVD player vs blu-ray quality is a HUGE difference! its like 2 million pixels against 500K, and especially when viewed on a flat screen the difference is night and day..
Now a DVD played on an Oppo BDP 93/95/103/105 or Cambridge 651/751 upscaling them to 1080p at almost BD-quality.. the difference is VERY subtle, but still around the same level as VHS --> DVD. LaserDisc was a really cool format too, I miss that
But nobody uses CRTs anymore, and VHS analogue looks so bad on any modern screen. ew 480i...[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]I honestly never bothered with hd dvds , blu-rays are the better format , but even then i dont notice much differents in many of my favorite movies of course its probably due to the fact that i use my ps3 , the only time i notice difference is disney movies the color seams better on bluray
the vhs vs dvd is bigger then the dvd vs bluray because there really isnt much different about it
[/QUOTE] whaaat? DVD quality is so bad I can't even watch one anymore VHS vs "random" DVD player displaying a DVD in 720x480p = not that much difference in PQ IMO, especially if viewed on a CRT. DVD on "random" DVD player vs blu-ray quality is a HUGE difference! its like 2 million pixels against 500K, and especially when viewed on a flat screen the difference is night and day.. Now a DVD played on an Oppo BDP 93/95/103/105 or Cambridge 651/751 upscaling them to 1080p at almost BD-quality.. the difference is VERY subtle, but still around the same level as VHS --> DVD. LaserDisc was a really cool format too, I miss that :([/QUOTE] But nobody uses CRTs anymore, and VHS analogue looks so bad on any modern screen. ew 480i...- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 9, 2012 10:49 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]If you're a TRUE audiophile and videophile, you'll love EVERY single format, good or bad.
Whether its Blu-Ray. SACD, HD-DVD, DVD, CD, LP, Vinyl, D-VHS, LaserDisc, VHS, V-CD, DVD-A or whatever else!
HD-DVD is actually a pretty decent format, and in terms of 1080p picture quality, its certainly on par with blu-ray. However, they had only half the space of a blu-ray disc, weren't as durable and their sound bit rate wasn't as great as that of BD.
[/QUOTE] Mozelle do different video formats make the audio better or worse?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 10, 2012 3:51 am GMT
The titanic/mona lisa/bible/MGS4/Patek Phillipe/GT-R of speakers:
capable of 1hz-105khz at perfect sound quality, the 12.12 channel Snell THX Reference system
[QUOTE="Wolfetan"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]If you're a TRUE audiophile and videophile, you'll love EVERY single format, good or bad.
Whether its Blu-Ray. SACD, HD-DVD, DVD, CD, LP, Vinyl, D-VHS, LaserDisc, VHS, V-CD, DVD-A or whatever else!
HD-DVD is actually a pretty decent format, and in terms of 1080p picture quality, its certainly on par with blu-ray. However, they had only half the space of a blu-ray disc, weren't as durable and their sound bit rate wasn't as great as that of BD.
[/QUOTE] Mozelle do different video formats make the audio better or worse?[/QUOTE] Uhhh, that depends on the format. Blu-rays are (so far) the greatest physical format for audio quality, as they allow up to 24 bit 192khz and DTS-HD MA up to 25 Mb/s (25,000 Kb/s!) OR LPCM @ 20Mb/s or so. HD DVDs, support 1080p video like blu-rays, but their sound quality is capped at 24 bit 96khz and around half the bit rate.... Not that it really matters since it still supports DTS-HD MA and Dolby Digital TrueHD. Then you have for instance D-VHS which does support 1080i and 720p video and near BD/HDDVD fidelity, but the audio I believe was regular Dolby Digital 16 bit/48khz 640Kb/s.. but I'm not sure.. SACD = Super Audo CD which is multi channel CDs (surround) I believe supports sound quality similar to FLAC/ALAC/WAV.. all of which are lossless formats that are 24 bit / 96-192khz 1000-5000Kb/s HD CDs.. I don't know but I guess the name is self explanatory... DVDs offer slightly better than CD quality (16 bit, 44hz 640Kbps DD or DTS) As for Laser Disc, vinyl, V-CD, DVD-A I don't know.. CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. typicall around 320Kbps.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 10, 2012 3:54 am GMT
The sad thing is that an upscaled DVD is indistinguishable from a lot of the HD channels I get. Compression blocks in every frame kill the point of having extra pixels.
Blu ray is the only way.
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- Nov 10, 2012 4:19 am GMT[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Wolfetan"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]
If you're a TRUE audiophile and videophile, you'll love EVERY single format, good or bad.
Whether its Blu-Ray. SACD, HD-DVD, DVD, CD, LP, Vinyl, D-VHS, LaserDisc, VHS, V-CD, DVD-A or whatever else!
HD-DVD is actually a pretty decent format, and in terms of 1080p picture quality, its certainly on par with blu-ray. However, they had only half the space of a blu-ray disc, weren't as durable and their sound bit rate wasn't as great as that of BD.
[/QUOTE] Mozelle do different video formats make the audio better or worse?[/QUOTE] Uhhh, that depends on the format. Blu-rays are (so far) the greatest physical format for audio quality, as they allow up to 24 bit 192khz and DTS-HD MA up to 25 Mb/s (25,000 Kb/s!) OR LPCM @ 20Mb/s or so. HD DVDs, support 1080p video like blu-rays, but their sound quality is capped at 24 bit 96khz and around half the bit rate.... Not that it really matters since it still supports DTS-HD MA and Dolby Digital TrueHD. Then you have for instance D-VHS which does support 1080i and 720p video and near BD/HDDVD fidelity, but the audio I believe was regular Dolby Digital 16 bit/48khz 640Kb/s.. but I'm not sure.. SACD = Super Audo CD which is multi channel CDs (surround) I believe supports sound quality similar to FLAC/ALAC/WAV.. all of which are lossless formats that are 24 bit / 96-192khz 1000-5000Kb/s HD CDs.. I don't know but I guess the name is self explanatory... DVDs offer slightly better than CD quality (16 bit, 44hz 640Kbps DD or DTS) As for Laser Disc, vinyl, V-CD, DVD-A I don't know.. CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. typicall around 320Kbps.[/QUOTE] CD is 16-bit 44.1khz at 1411kbps and DVDs can do 24-bit 48khz- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 10, 2012 8:52 am GMTkraken2109 wrote:Mozelleple112 wrote:Wolfetan wrote:Mozelle do different video formats make the audio better or worse?
Uhhh, that depends on the format.
Blu-rays are (so far) the greatest physical format for audio quality, as they allow up to 24 bit 192khz and DTS-HD MA up to 25 Mb/s (25,000 Kb/s!) OR LPCM @ 20Mb/s or so.
HD DVDs, support 1080p video like blu-rays, but their sound quality is capped at 24 bit 96khz and around half the bit rate.... Not that it really matters since it still supports DTS-HD MA and Dolby Digital TrueHD.
Then you have for instance D-VHS which does support 1080i and 720p video and near BD/HDDVD fidelity, but the audio I believe was regular Dolby Digital 16 bit/48khz 640Kb/s.. but I'm not sure..
SACD = Super Audo CD which is multi channel CDs (surround) I believe supports sound quality similar to FLAC/ALAC/WAV.. all of which are lossless formats that are 24 bit / 96-192khz 1000-5000Kb/s HD CDs.. I don't know but I guess the name is self explanatory... DVDs offer slightly better than CD quality (16 bit, 44hz 640Kbps DD or DTS)
As for Laser Disc, vinyl, V-CD, DVD-A I don't know..
CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. typicall around 320Kbps.
CD is 16-bit 44.1khz at 1411kbps and DVDs can do 24-bit 48khz
@ DVDs.. Well so they can :O still DVDs are no where near BD/HD DVD sound..
@ CDs.. Yet people advertise 320Kbps streams/Mp3s as "cd quality".. Damn marketing.The titanic/mona lisa/bible/MGS4/Patek Phillipe/GT-R of speakers:
capable of 1hz-105khz at perfect sound quality, the 12.12 channel Snell THX Reference system
[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Wolfetan"] Mozelle do different video formats make the audio better or worse?[/QUOTE] Uhhh, that depends on the format. Blu-rays are (so far) the greatest physical format for audio quality, as they allow up to 24 bit 192khz and DTS-HD MA up to 25 Mb/s (25,000 Kb/s!) OR LPCM @ 20Mb/s or so. HD DVDs, support 1080p video like blu-rays, but their sound quality is capped at 24 bit 96khz and around half the bit rate.... Not that it really matters since it still supports DTS-HD MA and Dolby Digital TrueHD. Then you have for instance D-VHS which does support 1080i and 720p video and near BD/HDDVD fidelity, but the audio I believe was regular Dolby Digital 16 bit/48khz 640Kb/s.. but I'm not sure.. SACD = Super Audo CD which is multi channel CDs (surround) I believe supports sound quality similar to FLAC/ALAC/WAV.. all of which are lossless formats that are 24 bit / 96-192khz 1000-5000Kb/s HD CDs.. I don't know but I guess the name is self explanatory... DVDs offer slightly better than CD quality (16 bit, 44hz 640Kbps DD or DTS) As for Laser Disc, vinyl, V-CD, DVD-A I don't know.. CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. typicall around 320Kbps.[/QUOTE] CD is 16-bit 44.1khz at 1411kbps and DVDs can do 24-bit 48khz[/QUOTE] @ DVDs.. Well so they can :O still DVDs are no where near BD/HD DVD sound.. :P @ CDs.. Yet people advertise 320Kbps streams/Mp3s as "cd quality".. Damn marketing.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 10, 2012 9:42 am GMTMozelleple112 wrote:kraken2109 wrote:Mozelleple112 wrote:
Uhhh, that depends on the format.
Blu-rays are (so far) the greatest physical format for audio quality, as they allow up to 24 bit 192khz and DTS-HD MA up to 25 Mb/s (25,000 Kb/s!) OR LPCM @ 20Mb/s or so.
HD DVDs, support 1080p video like blu-rays, but their sound quality is capped at 24 bit 96khz and around half the bit rate.... Not that it really matters since it still supports DTS-HD MA and Dolby Digital TrueHD.
Then you have for instance D-VHS which does support 1080i and 720p video and near BD/HDDVD fidelity, but the audio I believe was regular Dolby Digital 16 bit/48khz 640Kb/s.. but I'm not sure..
SACD = Super Audo CD which is multi channel CDs (surround) I believe supports sound quality similar to FLAC/ALAC/WAV.. all of which are lossless formats that are 24 bit / 96-192khz 1000-5000Kb/s HD CDs.. I don't know but I guess the name is self explanatory... DVDs offer slightly better than CD quality (16 bit, 44hz 640Kbps DD or DTS)
As for Laser Disc, vinyl, V-CD, DVD-A I don't know..
CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. typicall around 320Kbps.
CD is 16-bit 44.1khz at 1411kbps and DVDs can do 24-bit 48khz
@ DVDs.. Well so they can :O still DVDs are no where near BD/HD DVD sound..
@ CDs.. Yet people advertise 320Kbps streams/Mp3s as "cd quality".. Damn marketing.
Everyone lies.
Well, there's also the fact that CDs don't need to be 1411kbps, they're just uncompressed. You can losslessly compress most must to below 1000kbps, most of my FLACs are 800-900kbps.[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Uhhh, that depends on the format. Blu-rays are (so far) the greatest physical format for audio quality, as they allow up to 24 bit 192khz and DTS-HD MA up to 25 Mb/s (25,000 Kb/s!) OR LPCM @ 20Mb/s or so. HD DVDs, support 1080p video like blu-rays, but their sound quality is capped at 24 bit 96khz and around half the bit rate.... Not that it really matters since it still supports DTS-HD MA and Dolby Digital TrueHD. Then you have for instance D-VHS which does support 1080i and 720p video and near BD/HDDVD fidelity, but the audio I believe was regular Dolby Digital 16 bit/48khz 640Kb/s.. but I'm not sure.. SACD = Super Audo CD which is multi channel CDs (surround) I believe supports sound quality similar to FLAC/ALAC/WAV.. all of which are lossless formats that are 24 bit / 96-192khz 1000-5000Kb/s HD CDs.. I don't know but I guess the name is self explanatory... DVDs offer slightly better than CD quality (16 bit, 44hz 640Kbps DD or DTS) As for Laser Disc, vinyl, V-CD, DVD-A I don't know.. CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. typicall around 320Kbps.[/QUOTE] CD is 16-bit 44.1khz at 1411kbps and DVDs can do 24-bit 48khz[/QUOTE] @ DVDs.. Well so they can :O still DVDs are no where near BD/HD DVD sound.. :P @ CDs.. Yet people advertise 320Kbps streams/Mp3s as "cd quality".. Damn marketing.[/QUOTE] Everyone lies. Well, there's also the fact that CDs don't need to be 1411kbps, they're just uncompressed. You can losslessly compress most must to below 1000kbps, most of my FLACs are 800-900kbps.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 11, 2012 6:16 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="Wolfetan"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]If you're a TRUE audiophile and videophile, you'll love EVERY single format, good or bad.
Whether its Blu-Ray. SACD, HD-DVD, DVD, CD, LP, Vinyl, D-VHS, LaserDisc, VHS, V-CD, DVD-A or whatever else!
HD-DVD is actually a pretty decent format, and in terms of 1080p picture quality, its certainly on par with blu-ray. However, they had only half the space of a blu-ray disc, weren't as durable and their sound bit rate wasn't as great as that of BD.
[/QUOTE] Mozelle do different video formats make the audio better or worse?[/QUOTE] Uhhh, that depends on the format. Blu-rays are (so far) the greatest physical format for audio quality, as they allow up to 24 bit 192khz and DTS-HD MA up to 25 Mb/s (25,000 Kb/s!) OR LPCM @ 20Mb/s or so. HD DVDs, support 1080p video like blu-rays, but their sound quality is capped at 24 bit 96khz and around half the bit rate.... Not that it really matters since it still supports DTS-HD MA and Dolby Digital TrueHD. Then you have for instance D-VHS which does support 1080i and 720p video and near BD/HDDVD fidelity, but the audio I believe was regular Dolby Digital 16 bit/48khz 640Kb/s.. but I'm not sure.. SACD = Super Audo CD which is multi channel CDs (surround) I believe supports sound quality similar to FLAC/ALAC/WAV.. all of which are lossless formats that are 24 bit / 96-192khz 1000-5000Kb/s HD CDs.. I don't know but I guess the name is self explanatory... DVDs offer slightly better than CD quality (16 bit, 44hz 640Kbps DD or DTS) As for Laser Disc, vinyl, V-CD, DVD-A I don't know.. CD quality is 16 bit 44khz. typicall around 320Kbps.[/QUOTE] Hm, interesting. Thanks!- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- The only HD films I own are HD-DVD's.
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- Nov 14, 2012 9:11 pm GMT
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Mozelle, you seem to know a lot about DVD and CD stuff. Do you happen to know any good budget CD players?($400 or less?)
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- Nov 15, 2012 7:26 am GMT
The titanic/mona lisa/bible/MGS4/Patek Phillipe/GT-R of speakers:
capable of 1hz-105khz at perfect sound quality, the 12.12 channel Snell THX Reference system
[QUOTE="Wolfetan"]Mozelle, you seem to know a lot about DVD and CD stuff. Do you happen to know any good budget CD players?($400 or less?)
[/QUOTE] I would look at the used market for good brands like Nad, Denon, Rotel, Marantz, etc.. but perhaps you're not into the "retro" 90s look? Modern CD players from typical electronic stores are just garbage, and ones from Rotel/NAD/Denon/Marantz etc are very expensive new.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
