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Why Do People Hate Justin Bieber?
- Oct 4, 2012 7:30 pm GMT
Instead of listening to the predictably crappy music that is Justin Bieber, people should listen to underground hip-hop that has an actual message to it and speaks out against the establishment.
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:32 pm GMT
[QUOTE="JLCrogue"]
Instead of listening to the predictably crappy music that is Justin Bieber, people should listen to underground hip-hop that has an actual message to it and speaks out against the establishment.
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yeah man that's what I'm talkin about I bet nobody who listens to that stuff is gay!
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:32 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]
haha, you guys are hilarious. how can someone get so upset and concerned about someone who likes something they don't like? :\
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It's not so much about the fact that I don't like it, it's more or less the fact that it's objectively bad.
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:34 pm GMT
[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"][QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]
haha, you guys are hilarious. how can someone get so upset and concerned about someone who likes something they don't like? :\
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It's not so much about the fact that I don't like it, it's more or less the fact that it's objectively bad.
[/QUOTE] it's still music and it's still subjective. there is no such thing as "objectively bad."- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 4, 2012 7:36 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]
haha, you guys are hilarious. how can someone get so upset and concerned about someone who likes something they don't like? :\
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It's not so much about the fact that I don't like it, it's more or less the fact that it's objectively bad.
[/QUOTE] it's still music and it's still subjective. there is no such thing as "objectively bad."[/QUOTE]
Of course there's music that's objectively bad, if you compare it to other music artists that are more creative, display more ingenuity in their music, and are overall more talented. The fact that formulaic, banal music exists simply to attract the lowest common denominator and make money is not subjective. Anyone can see that.
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:39 pm GMT[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
It's not so much about the fact that I don't like it, it's more or less the fact that it's objectively bad.
[/QUOTE] it's still music and it's still subjective. there is no such thing as "objectively bad."[/QUOTE]
Of course there's music that's objectively bad, if you compare it to other music artists that are more creative, display more ingenuity in their music, and are overall more talented. The fact that formulaic, banal music exists simply to attract the lowest common denominator and make money is not subjective. Anyone can see that.
[/QUOTE] art can be anything it wants to be and doesn't need the approval of others to be enjoyed.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 4, 2012 7:39 pm GMT
[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
It's not so much about the fact that I don't like it, it's more or less the fact that it's objectively bad.
[/QUOTE] it's still music and it's still subjective. there is no such thing as "objectively bad."[/QUOTE]
Of course there's music that's objectively bad, if you compare it to other music artists that are more creative, display more ingenuity in their music, and are overall more talented. The fact that formulaic, banal music exists simply to attract the lowest common denominator and make money is not subjective. Anyone can see that.
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I couldn't agree with you more, most of the garbage on the radio is objectively bad and doesn't have any real substance to it. At least that's what mainstream hip-hop and R&B are like.
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:43 pm GMT
[QUOTE="WolfattheDoor34"]
[QUOTE="JLCrogue"]
Instead of listening to the predictably crappy music that is Justin Bieber, people should listen to underground hip-hop that has an actual message to it and speaks out against the establishment.
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yeah man that's what I'm talkin about I bet nobody who listens to that stuff is gay!
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I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic... anyway, I hope you're serious, because gays tend to listen to lady gaga and other crap. Some of my favorite rappers have some offending lyrics to gays.
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:43 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"] it's still music and it's still subjective. there is no such thing as "objectively bad."[/QUOTE]
Of course there's music that's objectively bad, if you compare it to other music artists that are more creative, display more ingenuity in their music, and are overall more talented. The fact that formulaic, banal music exists simply to attract the lowest common denominator and make money is not subjective. Anyone can see that.
[/QUOTE] art can be anything it wants to be and doesn't need the approval of others to be enjoyed. [/QUOTE]
You're half right. Art certainly doesn't need others approval. I personally don't listen to rap and hip-hop, but I still acknowledge it as an art form, and a good form of expression. I don't like Michael Jackson and U2's music, but I do acknowledge their work as art, and I can agree that they are talented artists.
Justin Bieber; however isn't art. It's generic, mass-marketed, brainless dribble that simply exists to make a quick buck from gullible, ignorant people who wouldn't know what good music was if an iPod full of it was shoved up their ass.
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:49 pm GMT
[QUOTE="JLCrogue"]
[QUOTE="WolfattheDoor34"]
[QUOTE="JLCrogue"]
Instead of listening to the predictably crappy music that is Justin Bieber, people should listen to underground hip-hop that has an actual message to it and speaks out against the establishment.
[/QUOTE]
yeah man that's what I'm talkin about I bet nobody who listens to that stuff is gay!
[/QUOTE]
I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic... anyway, I hope you're serious, because gays tend to listen to lady gaga and other crap. Some of my favorite rappers have some offending lyrics to gays.
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haha gays are so gay
just look at them, all gay and stuff, loving crap music, can you even believe how gay they are? lol THE GAYS
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:50 pm GMTWolfattheDoor34 wrote:JLCrogue wrote:WolfattheDoor34 wrote:
yeah man that's what I'm talkin about I bet nobody who listens to that stuff is gay!
I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic... anyway, I hope you're serious, because gays tend to listen to lady gaga and other crap. Some of my favorite rappers have some offending lyrics to gays.
haha gays are so gay
just look at them, all gay and stuff, loving crap music, can you even believe how gay they are? lol THE GAYS
[QUOTE="WolfattheDoor34"]
[QUOTE="JLCrogue"]
[QUOTE="WolfattheDoor34"]
yeah man that's what I'm talkin about I bet nobody who listens to that stuff is gay!
[/QUOTE]
I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic... anyway, I hope you're serious, because gays tend to listen to lady gaga and other crap. Some of my favorite rappers have some offending lyrics to gays.
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haha gays are so gay
just look at them, all gay and stuff, loving crap music, can you even believe how gay they are? lol THE GAYS
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:lol:
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:51 pm GMT[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
Of course there's music that's objectively bad, if you compare it to other music artists that are more creative, display more ingenuity in their music, and are overall more talented. The fact that formulaic, banal music exists simply to attract the lowest common denominator and make money is not subjective. Anyone can see that.
[/QUOTE] art can be anything it wants to be and doesn't need the approval of others to be enjoyed. [/QUOTE]
You're half right. Art certainly doesn't need others approval. I personally don't listen to rap and hip-hop, but I still acknowledge it as an art form, and a good form of expression. I don't like Michael Jackson and U2's music, but I do acknowledge their work as art, and I can agree that they are talented artists.
Justin Bieber; however isn't art. It's generic, mass-marketed, brainless dribble that simply exists to make a quick buck from gullible, ignorant people who wouldn't know what good music was if an iPod full of it was shoved up their ass.
[/QUOTE] all music is art. money and popularity are irrelevant.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 4, 2012 7:55 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"] art can be anything it wants to be and doesn't need the approval of others to be enjoyed. [/QUOTE]
You're half right. Art certainly doesn't need others approval. I personally don't listen to rap and hip-hop, but I still acknowledge it as an art form, and a good form of expression. I don't like Michael Jackson and U2's music, but I do acknowledge their work as art, and I can agree that they are talented artists.
Justin Bieber; however isn't art. It's generic, mass-marketed, brainless dribble that simply exists to make a quick buck from gullible, ignorant people who wouldn't know what good music was if an iPod full of it was shoved up their ass.
[/QUOTE] all music is art. money and popularity are irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Money and popularity is totally relevant. That's why record companies are so successful and that's why pop stars like Justin Bieber are so recognized.
You can like Justin Bieber if you want. But you're really giving him more credit than he deserves. To claim that he is talented and his music exemplifies art is utterly laughable to the highest degree.
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- Oct 4, 2012 7:59 pm GMT[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
You're half right. Art certainly doesn't need others approval. I personally don't listen to rap and hip-hop, but I still acknowledge it as an art form, and a good form of expression. I don't like Michael Jackson and U2's music, but I do acknowledge their work as art, and I can agree that they are talented artists.
Justin Bieber; however isn't art. It's generic, mass-marketed, brainless dribble that simply exists to make a quick buck from gullible, ignorant people who wouldn't know what good music was if an iPod full of it was shoved up their ass.
[/QUOTE] all music is art. money and popularity are irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Money and popularity is totally relevant. That's why record companies are so successful and that's why pop stars like Justin Bieber are so recognized.
You can like Justin Bieber if you want. But you're really giving him more credit than he deserves. To claim that he is talented and his music exemplifies art is utterly laughable to the highest degree.
[/QUOTE] he can sing very well. i'd like to see you do better. ;]- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 4, 2012 8:00 pm GMTPinkiePirate wrote:he can sing very well. i'd like to see you do better. ;]TheFatPerson wrote:PinkiePirate wrote:all music is art. money and popularity are irrelevant.
Money and popularity is totally relevant. That's why record companies are so successful and that's why pop stars like Justin Bieber are so recognized.
You can like Justin Bieber if you want. But you're really giving him more credit than he deserves. To claim that he is talented and his music exemplifies art is utterly laughable to the highest degree.
And here come the ad hominem attacks!
This debate is officially over.
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[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"] all music is art. money and popularity are irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Money and popularity is totally relevant. That's why record companies are so successful and that's why pop stars like Justin Bieber are so recognized.
You can like Justin Bieber if you want. But you're really giving him more credit than he deserves. To claim that he is talented and his music exemplifies art is utterly laughable to the highest degree.
[/QUOTE] he can sing very well. i'd like to see you do better. ;][/QUOTE]
And here come the ad hominem attacks!
This debate is officially over. :)
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- Oct 4, 2012 8:00 pm GMT
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"] all music is art. money and popularity are irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Money and popularity is totally relevant. That's why record companies are so successful and that's why pop stars like Justin Bieber are so recognized.
You can like Justin Bieber if you want. But you're really giving him more credit than he deserves. To claim that he is talented and his music exemplifies art is utterly laughable to the highest degree.
[/QUOTE] he can sing very well. i'd like to see you do better. ;][/QUOTE]
I can sing better, at least I don't have one of those annoyingly high pitch voices.
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- Oct 4, 2012 8:09 pm GMTTheFatPerson wrote:PinkiePirate wrote:he can sing very well. i'd like to see you do better. ;]TheFatPerson wrote:
Money and popularity is totally relevant. That's why record companies are so successful and that's why pop stars like Justin Bieber are so recognized.
You can like Justin Bieber if you want. But you're really giving him more credit than he deserves. To claim that he is talented and his music exemplifies art is utterly laughable to the highest degree.
And here come the ad hominem attacks!
This debate is officially over.
lol i was kidding, but ok.[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"][QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
Money and popularity is totally relevant. That's why record companies are so successful and that's why pop stars like Justin Bieber are so recognized.
You can like Justin Bieber if you want. But you're really giving him more credit than he deserves. To claim that he is talented and his music exemplifies art is utterly laughable to the highest degree.
[/QUOTE] he can sing very well. i'd like to see you do better. ;][/QUOTE]
And here come the ad hominem attacks!
This debate is officially over. :)
[/QUOTE] lol i was kidding, but ok.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 4, 2012 10:09 pm GMT[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]
[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"] it's still music and it's still subjective. there is no such thing as "objectively bad."[/QUOTE]
Of course there's music that's objectively bad, if you compare it to other music artists that are more creative, display more ingenuity in their music, and are overall more talented. The fact that formulaic, banal music exists simply to attract the lowest common denominator and make money is not subjective. Anyone can see that.
[/QUOTE] art can be anything it wants to be and doesn't need the approval of others to be enjoyed. [/QUOTE] Tell that to Roger Ebert.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 4, 2012 10:25 pm GMTBMD004 wrote:I understand exactly what you are saying. I just know you're wrong.Nibroc420 wrote:Once you've given money to an organization, corporation, or government. You do not have that money any more. Do you not understand that?[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]Money and popularity is totally relevant.[/QUOTE] Maybe if we were talking about which person would be a better investment. However, in a conversation about what is, and what is not music (or any form of art), popularity and money have no effect in the matter.
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- Oct 5, 2012 6:29 pm GMT[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]Money and popularity is totally relevant.[/QUOTE] Maybe if we were talking about which person would be a better investment. However, in a conversation about what is, and what is not music (or any form of art), popularity and money have no effect in the matter.[/QUOTE] Then what does?
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