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PS1 - N64 wasn't a war.

The N64 was a gen ahead, only Sony fanatics can't handle the truth.

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In tech specs, yes.

But it had very limited storage space due to cartridges and was hard to program for.

I think if the N64 came out with the disc drive and the extra 4 megs of RAM the "Expansion Pak" offered and would be easier to code for (they should really have given the 3rd party devs more documentation and more freedom about the graphics settings which were otherwise limited by the microcodes) we would be seeing some amazing things

[/QUOTE] Sure, the N64 wasn't very easy to develop for and from what I've read the documentation was very weird but a skilled developer made wonderful things.

A similar situation what we have now with the XBOX 360 and PS3. A well done made PS3 game featured always better graphics than anything on the XBOX 360, same goes for the N64 against the PS1 and Saturn, however the gap was a lot bigger.

The N64 was a gen ahead for me, regarding on its graphics and games.

[/QUOTE]as an owner of both consoles, I never really noticed any differences

as for the PS1 vs. N64, I always thought the PS1 had a better graphics progression, whereas the N64 had a smaller evolution in terms of graphics (not counting the ram expansion pack)

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[QUOTE="Supertornado"] Sure, the N64 wasn't very easy to develop for and from what I've read the documentation was very weird but a skilled developer made wonderful things.

A similar situation what we have now with the XBOX 360 and PS3. A well done made PS3 game featured always better graphics than anything on the XBOX 360, same goes for the N64 against the PS1 and Saturn, however the gap was a lot bigger.

The N64 was a gen ahead for me, regarding on its graphics and games.

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as for the PS1 vs. N64, I always thought the PS1 had a better graphics progression, whereas the N64 had a smaller evolution in terms of graphics (not counting the ram expansion pack)

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I disagree.

Compare something like Top Gear Rally to World Driver Championship or Rush 2 to Rush 2049.

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yeah but then compare early PS1 games like jumping flash to mid-to-late gen games like Quake 2 or C-12, there's massive difference and it was all done without any RAM expansions

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I disagree.

Compare something like Top Gear Rally to World Driver Championship or Rush 2 to Rush 2049.

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yeah but then compare early PS1 games like jumping flash to mid-to-late gen games like Quake 2 or C-12, there's massive difference and it was all done without any RAM expansions

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I'm not sure why the RAM expansion shouldn't count but if you want so - compare Body Harvest to Jet Force Gemini or Mario 64 to Conker.

The games I mentioned in my previous post didn't need the RAM pack either.

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oh, you can count the RAM expansion if you want, but I just meant to say that we count the initial hardware on both consoles, it seems to me the PS1 evolved much more (even if it never did quite catch up to the N64)

with that said I feel that body harvest is a poor example on your part, as there will always be poor looking games no matter how much you evolved

a much better comparison would be Mario 64 to Conker, one is a launch game the other is a late gen game. Conker does look awesome, but now, try looking at the PS1's launch line-up, all of it's games look terrible :P then compare it some late gen games like C-12 or wipeout 3, the difference is night and day

with that said, obviously N64 games look better

[QUOTE="Supertornado"]

orginal footage made by me

I think N64 was a gen ahead

[/QUOTE]can't see anything

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oh, you can count the RAM expansion if you want, but I just meant to say that we count the initial hardware on both consoles, it seems to me the PS1 evolved much more (even if it never did quite catch up to the N64)

with that said I feel that body harvest is a poor example on your part, as there will always be poor looking games no matter how much you evolved

a much better comparison would be Mario 64 to Conker, one is a launch game the other is a late gen game. Conker does look awesome, but now, try looking at the PS1's launch line-up, all of it's games look terrible :P then compare it some late gen games like C-12 or wipeout 3, the difference is night and day

with that said, obviously N64 games look better

[/QUOTE] I disagree. The N64 was badly designed and suffered from many issues making it's specs actually over come the PSX. Late gen N64 games and late gen PSX games were pretty much on par with none going above the other or "looking" better. Each at that point was pushing the system limits and sacrificed one or more areas to achieve their results. As such, the fact people say the N64 blew the PSX out the water had never made sense. Going off launch titles you could claim the PSX looked better than the N64 since Crash looked better than Mario 64, the whole N64 looks better and a gen ahead is pointless when the system can't even use it's specs fully.[/QUOTE]

Or did it?

It may be true that PSX had better texture detail, poly-counts and framerates in many cases, but that came at a cost.

Namely, all PSX could do were low-rez, jaggies, pixely textures (if you come close to a texture you can see tiny squares - no such problem on the N64) and texture warping/distortion due to lack of Z-buffering (perspective corrected textures) whereas the N64 already gave a glimpse of next-gen console graphics with it's texture filtering/smoothing, mip-mapping, Z-buffering/perspective correction, anti-alliasing, reflection mapping and high-rez if you added the memory expansion.

Personally, my only gripe with the N64 were the low framerates in many graphically intensive games.

But as far as the quality of the graphics go, the N64 could outdo the PSX (because of the above mentioned reasons).

[/QUOTE]to be fair, the N64 suffered from very blurry textures