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Religion and Video Gaming
- Oct 8, 2012 8:56 am GMT
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts
GAMESPOT ATHEISM UNION - here for religious debate[QUOTE="GazaAli"]
I have nothing against atheists really, on an "earthy" scale. But saying stuff like religious people are a threat to our survival, science is being destroyed by theists...etc it makes me feel pretty unwelcomed.[/QUOTE]
Personifying a religious argument is usually futile. I don't know if you refer to a specific comment made recently about a creationist politician. I've also heard the opposite here too, aligning atheists with the immoral and erroneously bringing out the Hilter, Stalin, Mau and Pol Pot allegations against atheists.
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- Oct 8, 2012 8:56 am GMTLaihendi wrote:Atlas Shrugged is an objective representation of the real world in the form of a novel.
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I have nothing against atheists really, on an "earthy" scale. But saying stuff like religious people are a threat to our survival, science is being destroyed by theists...etc it makes me feel pretty unwelcomed.[/QUOTE]
Here in the US (and a huge portion of the membership here are from the US) there truely is a large segment of highly religious folks (mostly Christian) who are doing absolutely everything they can to undermine science in this country.
[/QUOTE] It exists I'm sure, also from Muslims. But there are a lot of religious scientists and researchers out there.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but generally speaking they're not the ones making noise. The folks (which, unfortunately, includes many lawmakers now) calling science the work of Satan are. Make enough commotion and people are going to start talking.
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- Oct 8, 2012 8:57 am GMT
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]
I have nothing against atheists really, on an "earthy" scale. But saying stuff like religious people are a threat to our survival, science is being destroyed by theists...etc it makes me feel pretty unwelcomed.[/QUOTE]
Personifying a religious argument is usually futile. I don't know if you refer to a specific comment made recently about a creationist politician. I've also heard the opposite here too, aligning atheists with the immoral and erroneously bringing out the Hilter, Stalin, Mau and Pol Pot allegations against atheists.
[/QUOTE] Sometimes its hard not to personify it. Also yea i hear some crap from theists, like morality only comes from religion.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 8, 2012 9:01 am GMT
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]
I'm not sure we share the same concept of aggression.
[/QUOTE] I have nothing against atheists really, on an "earthy" scale. But saying stuff like religious people are a threat to our survival, science is being destroyed by theists...etc it makes me feel pretty unwelcomed.[/QUOTE]
Here in the US (and a huge portion of the membership here are from the US) there truely is a large segment of highly religious folks (mostly Christian) who are doing absolutely everything they can to undermine science in this country.
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Yes but there is an even greater portion who believe that the two go hand in hand. For instance, I'm a Christian but imagine my conflict when my wife couldn't conceive a child. Needless to say, science helped in that regard and surprising to me all involved (doctors, nurses, etc.) were people of faith. I think the Science vs Religion argument is one the media likes to perpetuate, which causes a main-stream divide. On a more personal level, you'll find that the two co-exist rather well.
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:03 am GMTGazaAli wrote:Sometimes its hard not to personify it. Also yea i hear some crap from theists, like morality only comes from religion.RationalAtheist wrote:GazaAli wrote:
I have nothing against atheists really, on an "earthy" scale. But saying stuff like religious people are a threat to our survival, science is being destroyed by theists...etc it makes me feel pretty unwelcomed.
Personifying a religious argument is usually futile. I don't know if you refer to a specific comment made recently about a creationist politician. I've also heard the opposite here too, aligning atheists with the immoral and erroneously bringing out the Hilter, Stalin, Mau and Pol Pot allegations against atheists.
Your sig has just been stolen...
Love Beaker
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"]
I have nothing against atheists really, on an "earthy" scale. But saying stuff like religious people are a threat to our survival, science is being destroyed by theists...etc it makes me feel pretty unwelcomed.[/QUOTE]
Personifying a religious argument is usually futile. I don't know if you refer to a specific comment made recently about a creationist politician. I've also heard the opposite here too, aligning atheists with the immoral and erroneously bringing out the Hilter, Stalin, Mau and Pol Pot allegations against atheists.
[/QUOTE] Sometimes its hard not to personify it. Also yea i hear some crap from theists, like morality only comes from religion.[/QUOTE]
Your sig has just been stolen... :D
Love Beaker
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:04 am GMTLaihendi wrote:Atlas Shrugged is an objective representation of the real world in the form of a novel.
[QUOTE="cejay0813"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"] I have nothing against atheists really, on an "earthy" scale. But saying stuff like religious people are a threat to our survival, science is being destroyed by theists...etc it makes me feel pretty unwelcomed.[/QUOTE]
Here in the US (and a huge portion of the membership here are from the US) there truely is a large segment of highly religious folks (mostly Christian) who are doing absolutely everything they can to undermine science in this country.
[/QUOTE]
Yes but there is an even greater portion who believe that the two go hand in hand. For instance, I'm a Christian but imagine my conflict when my wife couldn't conceive a child. Needless to say, science helped in that regard and surprising to me all involved (doctors, nurses, etc.) were people of faith. I think the Science vs Religion argument is one the media likes to perpetuate, which causes a main-stream divide. On a more personal level, you'll find that the two co-exist rather well.
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Believe me, it's more than just media perpetuating it.
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:05 am GMTcejay0813 wrote:GazaAli wrote:Sometimes its hard not to personify it. Also yea i hear some crap from theists, like morality only comes from religion.RationalAtheist wrote:
Personifying a religious argument is usually futile. I don't know if you refer to a specific comment made recently about a creationist politician. I've also heard the opposite here too, aligning atheists with the immoral and erroneously bringing out the Hilter, Stalin, Mau and Pol Pot allegations against atheists.
Your sig has just been stolen...
Love Beaker
You can't
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[QUOTE="cejay0813"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]
Personifying a religious argument is usually futile. I don't know if you refer to a specific comment made recently about a creationist politician. I've also heard the opposite here too, aligning atheists with the immoral and erroneously bringing out the Hilter, Stalin, Mau and Pol Pot allegations against atheists.
[/QUOTE] Sometimes its hard not to personify it. Also yea i hear some crap from theists, like morality only comes from religion.[/QUOTE]
Your sig has just been stolen... :D
Love Beaker
[/QUOTE] You can't :P- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 8, 2012 9:07 am GMT
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="cejay0813"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
Here in the US (and a huge portion of the membership here are from the US) there truely is a large segment of highly religious folks (mostly Christian) who are doing absolutely everything they can to undermine science in this country.
[/QUOTE]
Yes but there is an even greater portion who believe that the two go hand in hand. For instance, I'm a Christian but imagine my conflict when my wife couldn't conceive a child. Needless to say, science helped in that regard and surprising to me all involved (doctors, nurses, etc.) were people of faith. I think the Science vs Religion argument is one the media likes to perpetuate, which causes a main-stream divide. On a more personal level, you'll find that the two co-exist rather well.
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Believe me, it's more than just media perpetuating it.
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I realize and understand that the buck doesn't stop with them, but common ground would never be reached in that context
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:08 am GMTGazaAli wrote:You can'tcejay0813 wrote:GazaAli wrote:Sometimes its hard not to personify it. Also yea i hear some crap from theists, like morality only comes from religion.
Your sig has just been stolen...
Love Beaker
Too late... it is now my desktop background
Deal with it[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="cejay0813"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Sometimes its hard not to personify it. Also yea i hear some crap from theists, like morality only comes from religion.[/QUOTE]
Your sig has just been stolen... :D
Love Beaker
[/QUOTE] You can't :P[/QUOTE]
Too late... it is now my desktop background:cool: Deal with it
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:09 am GMTcejay0813 wrote:GazaAli wrote:You can'tcejay0813 wrote:
Your sig has just been stolen...
Love Beaker
Too late... it is now my desktop background Deal with it
lol I'm mad.married to the one and only kawaii Lebanese FMAB-GTO
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[QUOTE="cejay0813"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="cejay0813"]
Your sig has just been stolen... :D
Love Beaker
[/QUOTE] You can't :P[/QUOTE]
Too late... it is now my desktop background:cool: Deal with it
[/QUOTE] lol I'm mad.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 8, 2012 9:14 am GMTDavid Wong wrote:You're the kind of man a man wants when a man wants a man.
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I consider myself a person of faith and I have no problem with anti religion messages in games. Take, for instance, the Silent Hill games. One of my favorite series, but the games, particularly the third, are incredibly anti- religious, whether they intend to be or not. I'm not going to deny the violence religion has caused, and because of that I have no issue with games that have religious conotations.
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:26 am GMT
[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]
I consider myself a person of faith and I have no problem with anti religion messages in games. Take, for instance, the Silent Hill games. One of my favorite series, but the games, particularly the third, are incredibly anti- religious, whether they intend to be or not. I'm not going to deny the violence religion has caused, and because of that I have no issue with games that have religious conotations.
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Agreed. If it was the case where I'd take offense to a video game I would've pushed for Assassins Creed to be banned (awesome game btw), but I understand, like everyone should, that's it's just a work of art and fiction. I even wonder why disclaimers are even needed because who wouldn't get that.
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:29 am GMTcejay0813 wrote:turtlethetaffer wrote:
I consider myself a person of faith and I have no problem with anti religion messages in games. Take, for instance, the Silent Hill games. One of my favorite series, but the games, particularly the third, are incredibly anti- religious, whether they intend to be or not. I'm not going to deny the violence religion has caused, and because of that I have no issue with games that have religious conotations.
Agreed. If it was the case where I'd take offense to a video game I would've pushed for Assassins Creed to be banned (awesome game btw), but I understand, like everyone should, that's it's just a work of art and fiction. I even wonder why disclaimers are even needed because who wouldn't get that.
Ha yeah IKR? Apparently at the Revelations release, my friend saw this drunk guy claiming to be Desomnd's descendant... (which doesn't make sense since AC is in the near future). So maybe there are people who think it's real!
But yeah I can enjoy a good story despite the anti religious contexts and like I said I won't deny the violence it's called. Some of my fav games are anti religious, like Silent Hill, Dead Space, Thief and Xenoblade Chronicles. (The latter being my personal GOTY thus far.)
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[QUOTE="cejay0813"]
[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]
I consider myself a person of faith and I have no problem with anti religion messages in games. Take, for instance, the Silent Hill games. One of my favorite series, but the games, particularly the third, are incredibly anti- religious, whether they intend to be or not. I'm not going to deny the violence religion has caused, and because of that I have no issue with games that have religious conotations.
[/QUOTE]
Agreed. If it was the case where I'd take offense to a video game I would've pushed for Assassins Creed to be banned (awesome game btw), but I understand, like everyone should, that's it's just a work of art and fiction. I even wonder why disclaimers are even needed because who wouldn't get that.
[/QUOTE]
Ha yeah IKR? Apparently at the Revelations release, my friend saw this drunk guy claiming to be Desomnd's descendant... (which doesn't make sense since AC is in the near future). So maybe there are people who think it's real! :P
But yeah I can enjoy a good story despite the anti religious contexts and like I said I won't deny the violence it's called. Some of my fav games are anti religious, like Silent Hill, Dead Space, Thief and Xenoblade Chronicles. (The latter being my personal GOTY thus far.)
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:36 am GMT
too many butthurt muslims (not all muslims, just some of them)
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- Oct 8, 2012 9:42 am GMT
Some Muslims are extreamely sensitive, hell they started full scale riots across the ENTIRE world, especially in one region, all becuase of a low budget youtube video....they are just crazy.
Personally for COD I would like them to make one set in Israel and you play as an IDF Commando. That would be so cool.
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:17 am GMTThe problem isn't about the Muslims. The problems is based in a society that has caved to any and every special interest or religious groups whims. Its why Western society is GOING to fail. Western society has determined that every minorities rights and feelings come before the common good and freedom of the citizens. Its so intent on not offending anyone that its willing to violate its fundamentals and character. The squeaky wheel is basically the focus of society now...Its our problem for not telling the whiners to STFU or GTFO.
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:20 am GMT
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]The problem isn't about the Muslims. The problems is based in a society that has caved to any and every special interest or religious groups whims. Its why Western society is GOING to fail. Western society has determined that every minorities rights and feelings come before the common good and freedom of the citizens. Its so intent on not offending anyone that its willing to violate its fundamentals and character. The squeaky wheel is basically the focus of society now...Its our problem for not telling the whiners to STFU or GTFO.[/QUOTE] So a company trying to make it's customers happy = failure of the Western world?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Oct 8, 2012 10:23 am GMT[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]The problem isn't about the Muslims. The problems is based in a society that has caved to any and every special interest or religious groups whims. Its why Western society is GOING to fail. Western society has determined that every minorities rights and feelings come before the common good and freedom of the citizens. Its so intent on not offending anyone that its willing to violate its fundamentals and character. The squeaky wheel is basically the focus of society now...Its our problem for not telling the whiners to STFU or GTFO.[/QUOTE] So a company trying to make it's customers happy = failure of the Western world?[/QUOTE] This problem is much bigger than infinity ward being a panzy and changing a map 3 years after it came out because some angry muslim made threats. It's happening all over europe where muslims are immigrating to UK, france, etc. and they are just leeching off the welfare, staying isolated, and demanding that everything be catered to them. Im sure the vast majority of COD customers would rather have the map stay as well....
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:28 am GMT
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]The problem isn't about the Muslims. The problems is based in a society that has caved to any and every special interest or religious groups whims. Its why Western society is GOING to fail. Western society has determined that every minorities rights and feelings come before the common good and freedom of the citizens. Its so intent on not offending anyone that its willing to violate its fundamentals and character. The squeaky wheel is basically the focus of society now...Its our problem for not telling the whiners to STFU or GTFO.[/QUOTE] So a company trying to make it's customers happy = failure of the Western world?[/QUOTE] This problem is much bigger than infinity ward being a panzy and changing a map 3 years after it came out because some angry muslim made threats. It's happening all over europe where muslims are immigrating to UK, france, etc. and they are just leeching off the welfare, staying isolated, and demanding that everything be catered to them. Im sure the vast majority of COD customers would rather have the map stay as well....[/QUOTE] What do your thoughts on immigration have to do with Infinity Ward trying to hold on to customers?
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- Oct 8, 2012 10:29 am GMT
[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]The problem isn't about the Muslims. The problems is based in a society that has caved to any and every special interest or religious groups whims. Its why Western society is GOING to fail. Western society has determined that every minorities rights and feelings come before the common good and freedom of the citizens. Its so intent on not offending anyone that its willing to violate its fundamentals and character. The squeaky wheel is basically the focus of society now...Its our problem for not telling the whiners to STFU or GTFO.[/QUOTE] So a company trying to make it's customers happy = failure of the Western world?[/QUOTE]
If it's about a company trying to make it's customers happy IW has already succeeded across the board, on a global scale (the kid in the video has obviously been playing for almost 3 years before discovering a flaw, and I'm sure he wasn't the only Muslim).
IW gave you, the consumer, a shooting game. You bought it, played it and liked/disliked it, based on those premises. Nothing else should matter.
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