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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea obviously hasn't read Harrison Bergeron.

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THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteenyear-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.[/quote]

That is the world Obama is creating.

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You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

[/QUOTE] Typical Guybrush - calling anyone who disagrees with him stupid but not making any attempt to substantiate the claim.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] There are many state institutions that are held in as high a regard as the private institutions, most notably the California state system schools and the Big Ten schools. Both public and private schools are held to standards often set by the government because both types of schools received funding from the government in the form of NIH and NSF grants. Find a Nobel Prize - winning chemist in the US who didn't get a significant amount of funding from the NIH or NSF. Your ignorance of the educational system is quite impressive.[/QUOTE] Please tell me which government imposed educational standards private universities are held to. Also the Nobel committee has no credibility. That is just a political organization.[/QUOTE] All colleges and universities in the US must meet institutional standards if they want to be eligible for government grants, or in a similar way, accreditation from other groups or institutions. Most major research in this country cannot be done with at least some government funding. The Nobel committee recognizes ground breaking science. That isn't the same as the Nobel Peace Prize, which I don't give credibility too. If you look at Nobel chemists, they also have won major government grants, American and international chemical prizes, and other accolades. You obviously don't know how the research system works, and every important large college and university in the country does research these days.[/QUOTE] Which institutional standards are private universities legally bound to?

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

[/QUOTE] Typical Guybrush - calling anyone who disagrees with him stupid but not making any attempt to substantiate the claim.[/QUOTE] why should he? That post was a fallacy. [/QUOTE] That was not a slippery slope fallacy. Obama is establishing the principle that it is wrong for someone to be able to do things that others can't do. He is against the concept of individuals having a competitive advantage. He wants everyone to be effectively disabled so that no one is better at something than anyone else.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"] All colleges and universities in the US must meet institutional standards if they want to be eligible for government grants, or in a similar way, accreditation from other groups or institutions. Most major research in this country cannot be done with at least some government funding. The Nobel committee recognizes ground breaking science. That isn't the same as the Nobel Peace Prize, which I don't give credibility too. If you look at Nobel chemists, they also have won major government grants, American and international chemical prizes, and other accolades. You obviously don't know how the research system works, and every important large college and university in the country does research these days.[/QUOTE] Which institutional standards are private universities legally bound to?[/QUOTE]

All colleges and universities much register with the Office of Higher education (state and federal) in order to be recognized as a degree-giving institution.

[/QUOTE] What academic standards does the Office of Higher Education impose on private universities? And in order to be recognized by who as degree-giving institution?

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

All colleges and universities much register with the Office of Higher education (state and federal) in order to be recognized as a degree-giving institution.

[/QUOTE] What academic standards does the Office of Higher Education impose on private universities? And in order to be recognized by who as degree-giving institution?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure you can find it if you look. I'm not here to answer all of your questions.

http://www.ed.gov

http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=205

[/QUOTE]All the department of education does it publish lists of accrediting agencies that it endorses. The agencies themselves are private entities, which is proof that government isn't needed to standardize higher education. And all the Office of Higher Education controls is whether an institution is allowed to use the words "academy", "college", "institute", and "university" in its name. That's a superficial and meaningless distinction.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I'm sure you can find it if you look. I'm not here to answer all of your questions.

http://www.ed.gov

http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/mPg.cfm?pageID=205

[/QUOTE]All the department of education does it publish lists of accrediting agencies that it endorses. The agencies themselves are private entities, which is proof that government isn't needed to standardize higher education. And all the Office of Higher Education controls is whether an institution is allowed to use the words "academy", "college", "institute", and "university" in its name. That's a superficial and meaningless distinction.[/QUOTE]

How would there be any consistency in higher education if there wasn't any kind of oversight? I feel like I've asked you this before and you didn't give me a proper answer. This is associated with the issue of for-profit instiutions, which are fleecing many of their students with degrees that don't show proficiency.

[/QUOTE]Private accrediting agencies give legitimacy to educational institutions. People should do research on what school they attend before deciding to attend it. If a school has a reputation as a degree mill then they should simply not go to it. Also it is the responsibility of employers to research the educational institution attended by their prospective employees so that they may determine whether a degree from the institution has any credibility. It's worth mentioning that there are plenty of awful public universities in addition to awful private universities, so it's not as if government regulation of education is actually doing anything to stop worthless degrees. It's actually promoting it by forcing taxpayers to fund the bad institutions (in addition to the good ones).