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Nintendo Warns of Weak Wii U Sales
- Jan 30, 2013 8:17 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]
What really strikes me as odd is how pitiful the software schedule is currently looking for the Wii U.
Save Rayman and Monster Hunter, there are no truly notable exclusives coming for months and worse, most of the AAA multiplats are not being ported to the system.
In many ways, the Wii U is far worse than a current gen system because it doesntt even get to enjoy the full breadth of software currently being released on the PS3 and XB360.
What a colossal blunder.
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I think it's because it came out at such a weird time.
Most of what's coming down the pipeline for the PS3 and Xbox are likely so close to completion that starting work on another version isn't lucrative enough to justify. And with a couple new consoles coming this year, I doubt many are going to want to make many more games for for the PS3 and 360, which would be the Wii U's quickest means of gaining software.
The Wii wasn't much better in its first year, but it came out at the right time to ensure that, if anyone was gonna be making games for it, they were making games for the Wii. Helped that it was flying off shelves, too -- good incentive for the time. Right now, they don't have any of that. The 360 was sort of like that as well in its first year, if I'm not mistaken. Just one of the problems of being the first out of the gate. (Not that Nintendo had any choice in the matter. Had to be first if they wanted a chance at some success with this thing.)
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- Jan 30, 2013 8:19 pm GMT

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- Jan 30, 2013 8:20 pm GMT
Ok soooo...
I'm trying to put things into perspective. This is actually the first gen where I'm actively following how the consoles are fairing in the market and what kind of games they have. So, serious question: Is the Wii U in the same boat as the PS3 when it first came out or is it even worse off?
I may not have followed the news of the PS3 after launch but I do remember the whole "PS3 HAZ NO GAEMESSS!!" thing around the time it first came out. That and its insane $600 price tag. Also it seems to me that people are really quick to predict the doom and gloom early on in a console's life cycle. Before its even out a year it seems people are quick to jump "it suckz, haz no gamez, itz gonna fail!!!111" bandwagon (people seem to be doing this with the Vita as well).
And I'm not saying you're doing that TC, its just a general observation. That and it seems like history is repeating itself. Perhaps Nintendo would benefit from a price cut to the Wii U as well. Ok lastly, did any of the older consoles go through this? It seems to me that it makes sense that a new system that just came out a few months ago wouldn't have a nice selection of games. That, and sales would really pick up one or two years after its launch after more quality games come out and a possible price cut. But did any the older console come out, guns blazing with an unbeatable price that sold like hot cakes right off the bat? Or were any of them in a similar predicament?
Just curious...
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- Jan 30, 2013 8:20 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="c_rake"][QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]
What really strikes me as odd is how pitiful the software schedule is currently looking for the Wii U.
Save Rayman and Monster Hunter, there are no truly notable exclusives coming for months and worse, most of the AAA multiplats are not being ported to the system.
In many ways, the Wii U is far worse than a current gen system because it doesntt even get to enjoy the full breadth of software currently being released on the PS3 and XB360.
What a colossal blunder.
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I think it's because it came out at such a weird time.
Most of what's coming down the pipeline for the PS3 and Xbox are likely so close to completion that starting work on another version isn't lucrative enough to justify. And with a couple new consoles coming this year, I doubt many are going to want to make many more games for for the PS3 and 360, which would be the Wii U's quickest means of gaining software.
The Wii wasn't much better in its first year, but it came out at the right time to ensure that, if anyone was gonna be making games for it, they were making games for the Wii. Helped that it was flying off shelves, too -- good incentive for the time. Right now, they don't have any of that. The 360 was sort of like that as well in its first year, if I'm not mistaken. Just one of the problems of being the first out of the gate. (Not that Nintendo had any choice in the matter. Had to be first if they wanted a chance at some success with this thing.)
[/QUOTE] Well said. This is going to be really bad for NIntendo, this maybe the most First party focused system they ever had. The had a bunch of devs trying new things on it, everyone wanted a shot to make something new. That kind of fever is not happening with the wii u.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 30, 2013 8:28 pm GMT
[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]
It's the worst Nintendo console to date and this is going to result in their worst generation yet. They're going from top to rock bottom at an alarming rate and I'd be lying if I said that I'm not enjoying seeing them fall.
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Make room for me :). Nintendo failure in the console market is absolutely necessary for good gaming.
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- Jan 30, 2013 8:36 pm GMT
[QUOTE="dvader654"]More on topic, my wii u is gathering tons of dust.[/QUOTE]

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- Jan 30, 2013 8:39 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]
I have all these thoughts on Nintendo. So many, in fact, that it is hard (impossible perhaps) to summarize them all. However, here are a few:
I feel that the market is reaching back towards normalcy after a really bad bout of popculture-itis. The Wii was a machine that sold in spite of every reason in the world why it shouldn't have. The Wii was a threat to the business (I felt) because it tried (and succeeded for a while) to sell the notion that conventional gaming experiences sucked and needed to be changed through reverse evolution, and had that continued, I feel it would have fvcked the whole industry even more than it already has.
I feel remorseful, because the Wii U is more of a conventional machine than the Wii, and it's doing worse. However, I don't think a Wii 2 would have done any better. Just as Kinect hasn't helped Microsoft (their sales have dropped, not increased since its release), I think the market has moved on to tablets and cell phones, and that consoles have to come back and make the case for CONSOLES again. Not multimedia devices. Not movie spooling. Not music streamers. GAME CONSOLES. That is NOT a shameful term, it's a proud term, with a rich history that has survived for a long time.
I feel glad, because machines with gimmicks and no games should not be rewarded with stellar sales. Content has driven sales and predicted generational dominance forever prior to the Wii. That long established trend looks set to resume (although we can't say for sure -- Microsoft has its head so far up its ass that it could make its entire thrust be motion based, and well, Sony IS Sony) and the best third-party offerings and exclusives will again determine who succeeds and who doesn't. There are really good signs of a market correction occurring, and well, that works for me just fine.
I feel vindicated, because outside of a few specialty products, games should be built around concepts, NOT CONTROLLERS. Especially controllers that are limiting or otherwise don't work. This was the hardest thing for me to understand last generation... I witnessed smart people who love games trying to convince themselves that using an inferior control method was more fun. All the way back to the 2600, there was a reason that the paddles were only used in an ancillary capacity, and that was because they SUCKED for 95 percent of the games on the system (and brother, there were a LOT of games on the 2600). It's also the same reason that ROB the robot never took off, and that was because ROB's presence didn't add anything to the game. It was a bullshlt gimmick. Trackballs. Racing wheels. And on. And on. And on. There was a reason why they were called peripherals. Last generation, we witnessed the peripheral become the standard, and look at the results.So yeah, there's a few. I'm done with Nintendo, and I'm not surprised to see the sun setting on the Blue Ocean era, but there is also a part of me that grew up with the company and knows what they are capable of when they are at their best, and I only wish that one day that company could resurface again.
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Well said Shame_Us. You could not have worded that any better.
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- Jan 30, 2013 9:00 pm GMT
I can see the WiiU haviing problems. They have shows an ipod in a controler as the main step. It is not the same as motion control so I not curpise there is not a flood of non gamers rushing to get the system. I can see a number of more hobby gamers standing back from the WiiU for now after all Nintendo has not been the impressive with it.
One a side note, I hate how any negative criticism against motion control or a touch pad is attack by the ideal that you just stuck in the past and not want games to go forward. I find it a poor argument since many times motion controls seem to have made games take a step back. I want games to go forward and this is way I am not embrassing motion control and touch pad.
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- Jan 30, 2013 9:12 pm GMT

Do not invite me to your union. Doing so will get you ignored.
I'll always be a Nintendo supporter, albeit a begrudging one. I know I'll be buying the same Nintendo staples (as much as I dislike the need to put Yoshi through Kirby's yarn aesthetics, it still looks like a gorgeous game), but dammit, I want them to put the lead out. I also still hate the Wii U name, and still hate the Wii name. I want to see Nintendo on top, although that will never happen. If Nintendo ever does go under, I'll be with them on the long ride down, just like I was with Sega.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 30, 2013 9:15 pm GMT

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Over 200 resolved queries[QUOTE="Pedro"]The Wii was a threat to the business (I felt) because it tried (and succeeded for a while) to sell the notion that conventional gaming experiences sucked and needed to be changed through reverse evolution, and had that continued, I feel it would have fvcked the whole industry even more than it already has. [/QUOTE] Precisely. I've been advocating this for years. I would also add that a game like Wii Fit, which is barely a game at all, is considered the crowning jewel of Nintendo's offering by the company's top brasses because it sold 40 million copies and this fact is poison to the industry. It shows they have no respect for the medium they are working on and that sales are everything to them. Microsoft has immediately followed on those footsteps.
Thank god for Sony this generation, they kept the industry afloat.
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- Jan 30, 2013 9:19 pm GMT[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]
[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I didn't come to this forum to have a sh*t-slinging fanboy war with posters.[/QUOTE] Aren't you a system wars poster? I don't remember ever seeing you here over the last several years.[/QUOTE]
Bigboi500 has been around for a while. Your whirlwind romance with BlackKnight has blinded you from the rest of the world/forum. :P
He's a pretty decent poster too. Dont treat him like a Nintendo fanboy. He's like dvader... just a bit too in love with Nintendo games. ;p
[/QUOTE] lol whirlwind romance. He would be so lucky to land me. Anyways my bad bigboi500 I didn't recognize you is all. Carry on.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 30, 2013 9:20 pm GMT

Do not invite me to your union. Doing so will get you ignored.
[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]
Precisely. I've been advocating this for years. I would also add that a game like Wii Fit, which is barely a game at all, is considered the crowning jewel of Nintendo's offering by the company's top brasses because it sold 40 million copies and this fact is poison to the industry. It shows they have no respect for the medium they are working on and that sales are everything to them. Microsoft has immediately followed on those footsteps.
Thank god for Sony this generation, they kept the industry afloat.
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Yeah, but don't forget, Sony isn't entirely innocent either.

:P
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- Jan 30, 2013 9:21 pm GMT

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Over 200 resolved queries[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"] Aren't you a system wars poster? I don't remember ever seeing you here over the last several years.[/QUOTE]
Bigboi500 has been around for a while. Your whirlwind romance with BlackKnight has blinded you from the rest of the world/forum. :P
He's a pretty decent poster too. Dont treat him like a Nintendo fanboy. He's like dvader... just a bit too in love with Nintendo games. ;p
[/QUOTE] lol whirlwind romance. He would be so lucky to land me. Anyways my bad bigboi500 I didn't recognize you is all. Carry on.[/QUOTE] I'd be extremely unlucky if you landed [i]on[/i] me, belly boy.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 30, 2013 9:25 pm GMT[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]
Bigboi500 has been around for a while. Your whirlwind romance with BlackKnight has blinded you from the rest of the world/forum. :P
He's a pretty decent poster too. Dont treat him like a Nintendo fanboy. He's like dvader... just a bit too in love with Nintendo games. ;p
[/QUOTE] lol whirlwind romance. He would be so lucky to land me. Anyways my bad bigboi500 I didn't recognize you is all. Carry on.[/QUOTE] I'd be extremely unlucky if you landed [i]on[/i] me, belly boy.[/QUOTE] Well i'd be extremely unlucky.... if .... I .... your mom?. ..... shutup! T_T- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 30, 2013 9:27 pm GMT

Can't remember the title of a game? Ask us in the Game Remembrance Thread
Over 200 resolved queries[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"] lol whirlwind romance. He would be so lucky to land me. Anyways my bad bigboi500 I didn't recognize you is all. Carry on.[/QUOTE] I'd be extremely unlucky if you landed [i]on[/i] me, belly boy.[/QUOTE] Well i'd be extremely unlucky.... if .... I .... your mom?. ..... shutup! T_T[/QUOTE] Look S0lid, you made GME cry. You should be ashamed of yourself.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 30, 2013 9:30 pm GMT[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]
[QUOTE="Pedro"]The Wii was a threat to the business (I felt) because it tried (and succeeded for a while) to sell the notion that conventional gaming experiences sucked and needed to be changed through reverse evolution, and had that continued, I feel it would have fvcked the whole industry even more than it already has. [/QUOTE] Precisely. I've been advocating this for years. I would also add that a game like Wii Fit, which is barely a game at all, is considered the crowning jewel of Nintendo's offering by the company's top brasses because it sold 40 million copies and this fact is poison to the industry. It shows they have no respect for the medium they are working on and that sales are everything to them. Microsoft has immediately followed on those footsteps.
Thank god for Sony this generation, they kept the industry afloat.
[/QUOTE] lol except for the d1ldo controller they released that plays all the casual games they are making trying to cash in on Nintendo. They pretty much copied the wiimote wholesale for christsakes. Difference is though they still make good games to go along with the crud but are far from the shining saviors you seem to think they are. I hope the new system is awesome and gimmick free though, cause I would like to jump on board again.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Well this is kind of good news for me. I'm really itching to pick up a Wii U so if this means I can get one cheaper sooner rather then later then I'm on board for a price cut. :D
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- Jan 30, 2013 9:41 pm GMT

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Over 200 resolved queries[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"] lol except for the d1ldo controller they released that plays all the casual games they are making trying to cash in on Nintendo. They pretty much copied the wiimote wholesale for christsakes. Difference is though they still make good games to go along with the crud but are far from the shining saviors you seem to think they are. I hope the new system is awesome and gimmick free though, cause I would like to jump on board again.[/QUOTE] One reason why the Move doesn't suck half as bad as the wiimote: It's optional. People who despise motion controls can avoid the Move and still play all the games, but if you wanted to play Mario and Zelda this generation you were forced to deal with that wiimote abomination.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 30, 2013 10:17 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="wiouds"]I can see the WiiU haviing problems. They have shows an ipod in a controler as the main step. It is not the same as motion control so I not curpise there is not a flood of non gamers rushing to get the system. I can see a number of more hobby gamers standing back from the WiiU for now after all Nintendo has not been the impressive with it.
One a side note, I hate how any negative criticism against motion control or a touch pad is attack by the ideal that you just stuck in the past and not want games to go forward. I find it a poor argument since many times motion controls seem to have made games take a step back. I want games to go forward and this is way I am not embrassing motion control and touch pad.
[/QUOTE] Some people clearly have a vendetta against any kind of different controls, every thing about them is a plague to the industry to them. It's a BS way to look at things. Motion controls can absolutely move games forward and yes it can move it back. If we stick with what we have had before we go no where. One day games are going to be far more involved than just holding a controller and watching a TV.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 30, 2013 10:32 pm GMT

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
Calling me those "nintendophile" and "nintendo apologist" is no different than me calling you an "xbot" or "mad cow" etc. I enjoy coming to this board for the (usually) mature discussions, yet you constantly call me those names, and even went after me by accusing me of being a blind Nintendo fanboy just because I said SMG2 was my favorite game of the generation.
Fact is, I appreciate all three consoles this gen and sue me if I like Nintendo and try to defend them when I think it's justified. I probably have supported Sony more this generation more than you have. All I ask is that you stop trying to label me as a blind Nintendo fanboy when that's absolutely not true. There's no reason to be so aggressive towards me over my opinions, just because they differ from your preferences and beliefs.
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You label yourself when you defend the indefensible and frankly, Nintendo's actions over the last decade have been just that regarding consoles.
Most people who adopt your position regarding Nintendo don't see those aforementioned labels as pejoratives but regardless, if they bother you, I'll cease using them.
Regardless, I'm not obliged to respect a differing opinion when said opinion doesn't mesh with a heap of evidence to the contrary. There is a marked difference between attacking an opinion versus attacking a person and, to my recollection, I've never attacked you on a personal level.
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