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Nintendo Warns of Weak Wii U Sales
- Feb 1, 2013 4:59 pm GMTI find they have many. But for me they becoming harder and harder to see.Shinobishyguy wrote:it's one thing to criticise nintendo's current direction, lord knows they've made loads of boneheaded choices. But it's ridiculous to think that they don't have any redeeming qualities.MirkoS77 wrote:Marry me.Grammaton-Cleric wrote:By contrast, Nintendo has used outdated tech, latched onto outdated physical media that in turn limited the type of software that could appear on their console, largely ignored the benefits of having a dedicated hard drive, refused to implement, on any level, support for HD resolutions, implemented only the basest of online functionality, stubbornly utilized controllers that limited certain genres by default, and ushered in motion gaming, which was eventually proven to be a gimmick that the casual crowd initially embraced but inevitably abandoned. (And if you want to really discuss the issue of impediment, we can talk about the early tyrannical years of Nintendo, when they tried to block, among other things, the rental market and also enacted and advocated censorship within this medium)
And your postulation is that MS is doing more harm than Nintendo?
For all their mistakes (some of which have been epic) both MS and Sony have done far more to propel this medium forward than contemporary Nintendo who, post-SNES, has been nothing short of an egocentric entity, entrenched in hubris and buoyed by fans who will forgive them any and all transgression because of that aforementioned devotion, which is a mixture of both misplaced adoration and blind veneration. While I will be the first to concede they are, for all time, one of the most important companies to ever grace this medium, that historical reality does nothing to negate their persistent failure to deliver quality consoles.
Reading this part felt like an enormous release of pent up frustration that's been building up in me for a long while now. I think I'll copy and save it to reply to posts claiming Nintendo is headed in the right direction and are a better company today than they were in the past (which to my surprise is said far too often). When I look back at what Nintendo was in their prime and express my desire to see them back in form I'm immediately accused of living in a nostalgia laden delusion, being whiny and entitled, and then told how much money is in Nintendo's bank, as if this is somehow evidence that they are doing things right. Actually I don't even need to cite their past for this to occur, all that's needed is to express the slightest indication of dissatisfaction. I suppose a good offense is the best defense when something is impossible to deny yet doesn't wish to be acknowledged. I am damn sick and tired of people defending Nintendo. I don't see how anyone can. In all my time here I've never seen so many boards and threads rife with anti-Nintendo sentiment, and if not showing that, then definitely expressing concern. I'm glad to see so many great replies in here.
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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]By contrast, Nintendo has used outdated tech, latched onto outdated physical media that in turn limited the type of software that could appear on their console, largely ignored the benefits of having a dedicated hard drive, refused to implement, on any level, support for HD resolutions, implemented only the basest of online functionality, stubbornly utilized controllers that limited certain genres by default, and ushered in motion gaming, which was eventually proven to be a gimmick that the casual crowd initially embraced but inevitably abandoned. (And if you want to really discuss the issue of impediment, we can talk about the early tyrannical years of Nintendo, when they tried to block, among other things, the rental market and also enacted and advocated censorship within this medium)
And your postulation is that MS is doing more harm than Nintendo?
For all their mistakes (some of which have been epic) both MS and Sony have done far more to propel this medium forward than contemporary Nintendo who, post-SNES, has been nothing short of an egocentric entity, entrenched in hubris and buoyed by fans who will forgive them any and all transgression because of that aforementioned devotion, which is a mixture of both misplaced adoration and blind veneration. While I will be the first to concede they are, for all time, one of the most important companies to ever grace this medium, that historical reality does nothing to negate their persistent failure to deliver quality consoles. [/QUOTE]Marry me. :) Reading this part felt like an enormous release of pent up frustration that's been building up in me for a long while now. I think I'll copy and save it to reply to posts claiming Nintendo is headed in the right direction and are a better company today than they were in the past (which to my surprise is said far too often). When I look back at what Nintendo was in their prime and express my desire to see them back in form I'm immediately accused of living in a nostalgia laden delusion, being whiny and entitled, and then told how much money is in Nintendo's bank, as if this is somehow evidence that they are doing things right. Actually I don't even need to cite their past for this to occur, all that's needed is to express the slightest indication of dissatisfaction. I suppose a good offense is the best defense when something is impossible to deny yet doesn't wish to be acknowledged. I am damn sick and tired of people defending Nintendo. I don't see how anyone can. In all my time here I've never seen so many boards and threads rife with anti-Nintendo sentiment, and if not showing that, then definitely expressing concern. I'm glad to see so many great replies in here.
[/QUOTE]it's one thing to criticise nintendo's current direction, lord knows they've made loads of boneheaded choices. But it's ridiculous to think that they don't have any redeeming qualities.
[/QUOTE]I find they have many. But for me they becoming harder and harder to see.
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- Feb 1, 2013 5:00 pm GMT
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I do not think ogf the PC as being graphical superiority. It can look better but it cna also look worse. I look at the graphic more at when they are at their worse and at those time the Wii just can not hold up to the other system.
[/QUOTE]Take a strong look at Skyrim, Fallout 3 and NV, Sleeping Dogs, Far Cry 3 on PC and you'll see they look like different games. After viewing those, anything on PS3 and 360 look terrible.
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Yet, PC have a low guarantee quality.
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What are in the world are you talking about?
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- Feb 1, 2013 5:51 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="wiouds"]
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Take a strong look at Skyrim, Fallout 3 and NV, Sleeping Dogs, Far Cry 3 on PC and you'll see they look like different games. After viewing those, anything on PS3 and 360 look terrible.
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Yet, PC have a low guarantee quality.
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What are in the world are you talking about?
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When I am looking at graphic between systems, I am not just looking at how could the games can look but how much they can guarantee that it would look that way for my personal system. Your PC can meet the recommendation of a game but still look bad. They can not test every combination of hardware there is so sometimes that will happen. I happened to me a few times.
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- Feb 1, 2013 6:48 pm GMTprobably be alot easier to see if you actually digged handheldsMirkoS77 wrote:I find they have many. But for me they becoming harder and harder to see.Shinobishyguy wrote:it's one thing to criticise nintendo's current direction, lord knows they've made loads of boneheaded choices. But it's ridiculous to think that they don't have any redeeming qualities.MirkoS77 wrote:Marry me. Reading this part felt like an enormous release of pent up frustration that's been building up in me for a long while now. I think I'll copy and save it to reply to posts claiming Nintendo is headed in the right direction and are a better company today than they were in the past (which to my surprise is said far too often). When I look back at what Nintendo was in their prime and express my desire to see them back in form I'm immediately accused of living in a nostalgia laden delusion, being whiny and entitled, and then told how much money is in Nintendo's bank, as if this is somehow evidence that they are doing things right. Actually I don't even need to cite their past for this to occur, all that's needed is to express the slightest indication of dissatisfaction. I suppose a good offense is the best defense when something is impossible to deny yet doesn't wish to be acknowledged. I am damn sick and tired of people defending Nintendo. I don't see how anyone can. In all my time here I've never seen so many boards and threads rife with anti-Nintendo sentiment, and if not showing that, then definitely expressing concern. I'm glad to see so many great replies in here.
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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]Marry me. :) Reading this part felt like an enormous release of pent up frustration that's been building up in me for a long while now. I think I'll copy and save it to reply to posts claiming Nintendo is headed in the right direction and are a better company today than they were in the past (which to my surprise is said far too often). When I look back at what Nintendo was in their prime and express my desire to see them back in form I'm immediately accused of living in a nostalgia laden delusion, being whiny and entitled, and then told how much money is in Nintendo's bank, as if this is somehow evidence that they are doing things right. Actually I don't even need to cite their past for this to occur, all that's needed is to express the slightest indication of dissatisfaction. I suppose a good offense is the best defense when something is impossible to deny yet doesn't wish to be acknowledged. I am damn sick and tired of people defending Nintendo. I don't see how anyone can. In all my time here I've never seen so many boards and threads rife with anti-Nintendo sentiment, and if not showing that, then definitely expressing concern. I'm glad to see so many great replies in here.
[/QUOTE]it's one thing to criticise nintendo's current direction, lord knows they've made loads of boneheaded choices. But it's ridiculous to think that they don't have any redeeming qualities.
[/QUOTE]I find they have many. But for me they becoming harder and harder to see.
[/QUOTE]probably be alot easier to see if you actually digged handhelds :P- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 1, 2013 9:12 pm GMT
[QUOTE="wiouds"]
When I am looking at graphic between systems, I am not just looking at how could the games can look but how much they can guarantee that it would look that way for my personal system. Your PC can meet the recommendation of a game but still look bad. They can not test every combination of hardware there is so sometimes that will happen. I happened to me a few times.
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Thats why you have something called Directx. This excuse is no longer valid and has lacked validity for quite a while. The only problem you would run into is driver oddities between Nvidia and AMD but beyond that there very little concren about graphical fidelity. In addition, if you are gaming on a PC you would have a PC that is game centric. Doesn't need to be the best but have the basic hardware for gaming. I can still game on my 6 year old quad core and graphics card.
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- Feb 1, 2013 9:58 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="wiouds"]
When I am looking at graphic between systems, I am not just looking at how could the games can look but how much they can guarantee that it would look that way for my personal system. Your PC can meet the recommendation of a game but still look bad. They can not test every combination of hardware there is so sometimes that will happen. I happened to me a few times.
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Thats why you have something called Directx. This excuse is no longer valid and has lacked validity for quite a while. The only problem you would run into is driver oddities between Nvidia and AMD but beyond that there very little concren about graphical fidelity. In addition, if you are gaming on a PC you would have a PC that is game centric. Doesn't need to be the best but have the basic hardware for gaming. I can still game on my 6 year old quad core and graphics card.
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I still had problem with PC graphic and there is no way you can tell me that a game will work just at its best on every computer out there even if it meets the recommendation.
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- Feb 1, 2013 9:59 pm GMT
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I will say this about the Wii U, off screen play is so fantastic. Everytime there is a Heat game on I can put the game on the tube and sit back and play Mario. Its the only time I play the wii U lately.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 2, 2013 1:47 am GMT
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Over 200 resolved queries[QUOTE="dvader654"]I will say this about the Wii U, off screen play is so fantastic. Everytime there is a Heat game on I can put the game on the tube and sit back and play Mario. Its the only time I play the wii U lately. [/QUOTE] This is called making lemonade- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 2, 2013 7:26 am GMT
As I stated before, the length of this generation has made the gulf between PC and consoles much more pronounced than in recent memory but at the same time I would argue that we have reached a level of graphic fidelity where games in general, regardless of graphical gradients, look fantastic regardless.
Ninja Gaiden Black is from the previous gen but upscaled it looks fantastic. Batman: Arkham City will still look good years from now even if some technical aspects are no longer up to par.
And I think that is the good thing about the Wii U; outdated or not, the games will still look good, especially now that Nintendo has fully embraced HD.
And PC's will always lead, which makes logical sense.
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- Feb 2, 2013 7:34 am GMT
[QUOTE="dvader654"]I will say this about the Wii U, off screen play is so fantastic. Everytime there is a Heat game on I can put the game on the tube and sit back and play Mario. Its the only time I play the wii U lately. [/QUOTE]This is a feature that I'll get plenty of use out of as well.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 2, 2013 7:43 am GMT
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
I can fully understand your passion for video games because I, too, have it myself. I've been gaming since Atari 2600 and am not, currently, a PC gamer. I've thoroughly enjoyed the libraries of all three consoles this generation, and can't see why you absolutely love two of them, and downright hate the other. I hate having to make lists, but the Wii had great titles like Muramasa, A Boy and His Blob, No More Heroes, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Fragile Dreams, Zack & Wiki, Monster Hunter Tri, Rune Factory, all non-Nintendo third party games that were fantastic imo, and while quantity-wise they don't come close offerings of the other systems, they are great games. That's reason enough to have the system and Wii U will be at least as good and probably much better, as far as libraries go, despite not having the power of other systems.
The reason I brought up PC gaming was because of the graphical superiority to console games. Just because PC's are so much better, it doesn't mean PS3 and 360 graphics can't be enjoyed. Same goes for Wii graphics, and in the future, Wii U graphics.
And what you say about a company needing their fan bases and new customers, that applies to them all. Sony and Microsoft cannot survive solely on their fanbases, and they have a lot of work ahead of them as well just like Nintendo. Having enjoyed most of this generations libraries on all consoles, I just can't understand the rampant fandom for Sony and Microsoft on this board. Don't get me wrong, I love what they have to offer even more than what Nintendo gave this generation, but I don't believe that those offerings are night and day better, either.
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Again, for clarification, understand I am not claiming that the Wii didn't enjoy some quality games; I own many of them myself.
The issue, for me, is objectivism and looking honestly at what all three consoles maker are doing in terms of delivering quality software, both third and first party, to the consumer. My respect for MS and Sony isn't rooted in fanaticism or brand loyalty but rather in my honest evaluation of what they have delivered to this medium, despite their many respective mistakes.
Technology aside, my biggest problem with Nintendo is that they haven't been able to keep software flowing on a consistent basis with any of their consoles. Remember last year when Skyward Sword was literally the only thing coming out during the holiday season even while it was practically raining games on the other two consoles?
And now the Wii U sits on shelves and once again, the software is barren and the outlook bleak.
I have no doubt the Wii U is going to enjoy some spectacularly great software. The question however is this: How much?
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- Feb 2, 2013 9:04 am GMT
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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]As I stated before, the length of this generation has made the gulf between PC and consoles much more pronounced than in recent memory but at the same time I would argue that we have reached a level of graphic fidelity where games in general, regardless of graphical gradients, look fantastic regardless.
Ninja Gaiden Black is from the previous gen but upscaled it looks fantastic. Batman: Arkham City will still look good years from now even if some technical aspects are no longer up to par.
And I think that is the good thing about the Wii U; outdated or not, the games will still look good, especially now that Nintendo has fully embraced HD.
And PC's will always lead, which makes logical sense.
[/QUOTE] Gotta agree with that. Most wii games looked like they were smeared with vaseline on my hd tv, so finally seeing nintendo games being all clear and crisp is really refreshing.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 2, 2013 10:34 am GMT
[QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="dvader654"]I will say this about the Wii U, off screen play is so fantastic. Everytime there is a Heat game on I can put the game on the tube and sit back and play Mario. Its the only time I play the wii U lately. [/QUOTE]This is a feature that I'll get plenty of use out of as well.[/QUOTE]
The screen's not HD though so low res games like CoD look even worse on it. At times it was tough to find enemies on that screen because everything was just smudged together.
Tangled looked great on the screen and so did Rayman so there is hope that most games running at full 720p will look decent on the tablet screen as well.
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- Feb 2, 2013 11:32 am GMTIt depends on when people bought there system what I would say to that. If he bought it near launch, I'd say he wanted to try out all the systems to see which is the best or he at first really loved X Box. If he's like me and only bought one around 3 years ago refurbished, I'd say one or two games caught his eye and was waiting until the price of the console dropped low enough to actually justify frivolously spending money for one or two exclusives.
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- Feb 2, 2013 2:30 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
I can fully understand your passion for video games because I, too, have it myself. I've been gaming since Atari 2600 and am not, currently, a PC gamer. I've thoroughly enjoyed the libraries of all three consoles this generation, and can't see why you absolutely love two of them, and downright hate the other. I hate having to make lists, but the Wii had great titles like Muramasa, A Boy and His Blob, No More Heroes, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Fragile Dreams, Zack & Wiki, Monster Hunter Tri, Rune Factory, all non-Nintendo third party games that were fantastic imo, and while quantity-wise they don't come close offerings of the other systems, they are great games. That's reason enough to have the system and Wii U will be at least as good and probably much better, as far as libraries go, despite not having the power of other systems.
The reason I brought up PC gaming was because of the graphical superiority to console games. Just because PC's are so much better, it doesn't mean PS3 and 360 graphics can't be enjoyed. Same goes for Wii graphics, and in the future, Wii U graphics.
And what you say about a company needing their fan bases and new customers, that applies to them all. Sony and Microsoft cannot survive solely on their fanbases, and they have a lot of work ahead of them as well just like Nintendo. Having enjoyed most of this generations libraries on all consoles, I just can't understand the rampant fandom for Sony and Microsoft on this board. Don't get me wrong, I love what they have to offer even more than what Nintendo gave this generation, but I don't believe that those offerings are night and day better, either.
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Again, for clarification, understand I am not claiming that the Wii didn't enjoy some quality games; I own many of them myself.
The issue, for me, is objectivism and looking honestly at what all three consoles maker are doing in terms of delivering quality software, both third and first party, to the consumer. My respect for MS and Sony isn't rooted in fanaticism or brand loyalty but rather in my honest evaluation of what they have delivered to this medium, despite their many respective mistakes.
Technology aside, my biggest problem with Nintendo is that they haven't been able to keep software flowing on a consistent basis with any of their consoles. Remember last year when Skyward Sword was literally the only thing coming out during the holiday season even while it was practically raining games on the other two consoles?
And now the Wii U sits on shelves and once again, the software is barren and the outlook bleak.
I have no doubt the Wii U is going to enjoy some spectacularly great software. The question however is this: How much?
[/QUOTE]Beyond what's just around the corner in Rayman Legends, I'm very excited for The Wonderful 101, the game just looks amazing and unique. With Platinum games making it I have a lot of hopes for something original from them. Outside of the first party titles I have a lot of expectations out of Dragon Quest X, my favorite overall series. Being a MMO, I'm hyped about playing online in that universe and really hope it turns out good and without a monthly fee. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate will be great for me since I've never delved deep in to one of those games before. Lego City Undercover could surprise some people and be deeper than some might expect. The Fire Emblem vs. Shin Megami Tensei game has a lot of potential, and I'm a HUGE fan of both series, and the Xenoblade game looks to be fantastic if similar to the first game but with HD visuals.
Down the road a few years after all that is where they'll succeed or fail. Hopefully at that time they'll have more than just a brand new HD Zelda to offer people.
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- Feb 2, 2013 7:03 pm GMT
I wonder how it is considered weak that Wii U sold over 3 million in it's first three months. Sure it didnt beat Wii's 3.6 million but it came fairly close.
Im guessing that none of the next gen systems are going to sell as fast as current systems did during their early months. Sure Nintendo is light on releases right now, but there is a lot on the horizon. All consoles tend to start off slow, some more than others. It took over a year for the PS3 to finally take off back when it was young.
Give it time folks, give it time.
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- Feb 2, 2013 7:13 pm GMT
[QUOTE="svaubel"]I wonder how it is considered weak that Wii U sold over 3 million in it's first three months. Sure it didnt beat Wii's 3.6 million but it came fairly close. [/QUOTE]
It's because they're selling the Wii U at a loss whereas the Wii wasn't.
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- Feb 2, 2013 8:08 pm GMT[QUOTE="wiouds"]I still had problem with PC graphic and there is no way you can tell me that a game will work just at its best on every computer out there even if it meets the recommendation.[/QUOTE] Games don't work its best; whatever you classify as best, on consoles so why would you expect every system that meets the recommendation to work at its best? The PC has more to it than gaming and these variables can affect your game and how well it plays. It not the fault of the hardware or the system variation but the application of the PC.
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- Feb 2, 2013 8:30 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Pedro"][QUOTE="wiouds"]I still had problem with PC graphic and there is no way you can tell me that a game will work just at its best on every computer out there even if it meets the recommendation.[/QUOTE] Games don't work its best; whatever you classify as best, on consoles so why would you expect every system that meets the recommendation to work at its best? The PC has more to it than gaming and these variables can affect your game and how well it plays. It not the fault of the hardware or the system variation but the application of the PC.[/QUOTE]
As a gaming system, the consoles have a better guarantee that it will look that good on your system. That is also is also a criterion that I add in when judging a game systems graphic.
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