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51 reasons why God exists

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    Ikari Warrior
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    Feb 1, 2013 1:56 am GMT

     Much like when Martin Luther posted his 95 theses to the Catholic church door, I am posting my 51 reasons on the front door of Atheism.


    Reason 1: DNA

    Whilst agreeing that random patterns occur naturally by chance, DNA however, consists of code, which requires a designer.

    Reason 2: Paranormal phenomena

    How do you explain the paranormal, such as people witnessing positive or negative sightings, likeghosts or angels? I saw a ghost with a friend of mine I am not a liar, an attention seeker. Neither was I overtired when this happened.

    Reason 3: Prayer

    Try praying. What good is it when a mind is set to coincidence & disbelief regarding the positive outcome?

    Reason 4: First cause

    The law of cause & effect - in order to have an effect, there has to be a cause. Everything is caused by something.

    Reason 5: Complexity

    Mindless nothing cannot be responsible for complex something.

    Reason 6: Limitations of science

    Science can only be the detector of certain things. You cannot scientifically detect emotion, memory, thoughts etc., though scientifically we must. These things which do not consist of matter are beyond the detection of science.

    Reason 7: Evolution is only a theory

    Evolution has never been proved, which is why we call it the 'theory of evolution'. It's a fairy tale for grown ups!

    Reason 8: Atheism is based on faith

    Atheism is a faith which has not been proved. The disbelievers have not witnessed anything to not believe in, whereas the believers believe because they have witnessed. There is no 'good news' to preach in atheism.

    Reason 9: Atheists are angry with God

    How much of the atheist's faith relies on anger with God as opposed to genuine disbelief in God?

    Reason 10: Atheists need to get a life

    Why do many atheists shake their fists & spend so much time ranting & raving about something they don't believe in? If they are no more than a fizzled out battery at the end of the day, then why don't they spend their lives partying, or getting a hobby?! Why don't they leave this 'God nonsense' alone?

    Reason 11: Chicken-and-egg paradox

    What created God? What came first, the chicken or the egg? I am not going to deny the existence of the chicken or the egg, merely because I don't understand or know what came first. I don't care - they both exist!

    Reason 12: Improbability vs. impossibility

    Improbability is not the same as impossibility. You only have to look at life itself for that backup of proof.

    Reason 13: Complexity of human life

    Reason 14: Complexity of the human mind

    How could the complexity of the human mind possibly evolve on its own accord out of mindless cells? Where does our consciousness come from?

    Reason 15: Food and drink

    What/who knew that our hunger & thirst had to be catered for by the food & drink which we're supplied with?

    Reason 16: The five senses

    Most of us are born with the five senses to detect our surroundings, which we're provided with.

    Reason 17: Goldilocks and the habitable planet, part 1

    What/who knew that had Earth been set nearer to the sun, we would burn up?

    Reason 18: Goldilocks and the habitable planet, part 2

    What/who knew that had Earth been set any further from the sun, we would freeze up?

    Reason 19: Goldilocks and the habitable planet, part 3

    What/who knew that had Earth been built larger or smaller, its atmosphere would be one where it would not be possible for us to breathe?.

    Reason 20: Complementarity of plant and animal life

    What/who knew that we require the oxygen of plants, just as plants require the carbon dioxide of us?

    Reason 21: The tornado and the 747

    The concept that life came about through sheer chance is as absurd & improbable as a tornado blowing through a junk yard, consequently assembling a Boeing 747!

    Reason 22: The invisible and the supernatural

    We are willing to believe in physically unseen waves that exist through the air, operating physical forces & appliances to work [sic], yet not supernatural God forces being responsible for the same.

    Reason 23: Self-organization and entropy

    Matter cannot organise itself. An uneaten tomato will not progress on its own accord to form a perfect pineapple. It will transform into mould, into disorganisation. The laws of evolution fall flat.

    Reason 24: Darwin's deathbed conversion

    Our 'inventor' of evolution, Mr. Charles Darwin had this to say to Lady Hope when he was almost bedridden for 3 months before he died; "I was a young man with unfathomed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions; wondering all the time over everything, and to my astonishment the ideas took like wildfire - people made a religion of them." Darwin then asked Lady Hope to speak to neighbors the next day. "What shall I speak about?" She asked. He replied; "Christ Jesus and his salvation. Is that not the best theme?"

    Reason 25: Morality

    Where do our moral values held within our conscience come from? If the atheist is right, why then would we care about what we did?! If there is no God, then we've no-one to be accountable to.

    Reason 26: Man vs. animal

    If man has evolved from an animal, why doesn't he behave like an animal? Yet man is civilised.

    Reason 27: Chance and ignorance

    'Chance' isn't the cause of something. It just describes what we can't find a reason for.

     

    Reason 28: Limitations of science and logic

    Science & logic do not hold all the answers - many people are aware of forces at work which we have no understanding of & no control over.

    Reason 29: Gregorian calendar

    Look at the date/year on our calender - 2000 years ago since what? Our historical records (other than the Bible) record evidence of Jesus' existence.

    Reason 30: Martyrs

    Many people have died for their faith. Would they be prepared to do this for a lie?!

     

    Reason 31: Biblical accounts

    Much of the Bible deals with eyewitness accounts, written only 40 years after Jesus died. When the books in the New Testament were first around, there would have been confusion & anger if the books were not true.

    Reason 32: Archaeology

    From as early as 2000 BC, there is archaeological evidence to confirm many details we're provided with in the Bible.

    Reason 33: Biblical prophecy

    Not one single Biblical prediction can be shown as false, and the Bible contains hundreds.

    Reason 34: Al history

    The evidence from literature & historical studies claim that Biblical statements are reliable details of genuine events.

     

    Reason 35: Christianity and science in harmony

    From the birth of science through to today, there is no evidence to claim that Christianity & science are in opposition. Many first scientists were Christians; Francis Bacon, Isaac [sic] Newton, Robert Boyle, to name a few, along with the many who stand by their work & faith today.

     

    Reason 36: How vs. why

    Science can explain 'how' something works, but not 'why' something works.

     

    Reason 37: Science changes

    Science is constantly recorrecting [sic] its findings. Past theories contradict certain beliefs which are held today. Our present 'discoveries' may change again in the future to rediscover how we originally came into existence.

     

    Reason 38: Abiogenesis

    Evolution describes the way life possibly started, yet doesn't explain what made life start & why. Scientific questions fail to do that. Even if evolution were proved, it would still not disprove God.

    Reason: 39

    The two people who discovered Jesus' empty tomb were women. Women were very low on the social scale in first century Palestine, so in order to make the story fit, it would have made far more sense to claim that it were male disciples who had entered the tomb. But it wasn't - we're left with the historical & Biblical truth.

     

    Reason 40: Near Death experience

    Think about Near Death Experiences. It's naive to believe that they all are induced by chemicals or drugs. How do we account for a blind person having this experience, coming back to describe what they had never before seen, a person telling the Doctor that there is a blue paperclip on top of the high cabinet, which they couldn't have otherwise known, an african [sic] man being dead in his coffin for 3 days, coming back to life to tell of much the same events which took place as those of many others? We never hear of the witnesses describing "a dream". We're not silly - we know the difference between even the most vivid of dreams to that of reality.

    Reason 41: Biblical skeptics

    There are many skeptics who didn't believe in Jesus before his crucifixion, and who were opposed to Christianity, yet turned to the Christian faith after the death of Jesus. Just as the many who continue to do so today.

    Reason 42: Einstein quote

    Albert Einstein said; "A legitimate conflict between science & religion cannot exist. Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind".

    Reason 43: The tomato thrower

    A speaker in Hyde Park who was attacking belief in God, claimed that the world just happened. As he spoke, a soft tomato was thrown at him. "Who threw that?" He said angrily. A cockney from the back of the crowd replied; "No-one threw it - it threw itself!"

     

    Reason 44: Occam's supernatural razor

    It is easier to believe that God created something out of nothing than it is to believe that nothing created something out of nothing.

     

    Reason 45: How-vs.-why Hawking quote

    Stephen Hawkins [sic] has admitted; "Science may solve the problem of how the universe began, but it cannot answer the question: why does the universe bother to exist?"

     

    Reason 46: With God all things are possible

    We cannot confuse God with man. With God in the equation, all things, including miracles are possible. If God is God, he is Creator of all, inclusive of scientific law. He is Creator of matter & spirit.

     

    Reason 47: Evolved vs. evolving

    If we are the product of evolution - by sheer accident, chance, then we are still evolving. Does it just so happen that we exist here today with everything so finely tuned for our living. as we now have it?

     

    Reason 48: The Missing Link

    Could it possibly be that the missing link does not exist?!

     

    God has proved himself to us in numerous ways, all around us. The atheist needs to put his glasses on. What more can God possibly do if man has shut his eyes to him?

    Reason 50: 

    Jesus Christ is either who he says he is, or he is the biggest con man history has ever known.

    Reason 51:

     

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     Much like when Martin Luther posted his 95 theses to the Catholic church door, I am posting my 51 reasons on the front door of Atheism.


    Reason 1: DNA

    Whilst agreeing that random patterns occur naturally by chance, DNA however, consists of code, which requires a designer.

    Reason 2: Paranormal phenomena

    How do you explain the paranormal, such as people witnessing positive or negative sightings, likeghosts or angels? I saw a ghost with a friend of mine I am not a liar, an attention seeker. Neither was I overtired when this happened.

    Reason 3: Prayer

    Try praying. What good is it when a mind is set to coincidence & disbelief regarding the positive outcome?

    Reason 4: First cause

    The law of cause & effect - in order to have an effect, there has to be a cause. Everything is caused by something.

    Reason 5: Complexity

    Mindless nothing cannot be responsible for complex something.

    Reason 6: Limitations of science

    Science can only be the detector of certain things. You cannot scientifically detect emotion, memory, thoughts etc., though scientifically we must. These things which do not consist of matter are beyond the detection of science.

    Reason 7: Evolution is only a theory

    Evolution has never been proved, which is why we call it the 'theory of evolution'. It's a fairy tale for grown ups!

    Reason 8: Atheism is based on faith

    Atheism is a faith which has not been proved. The disbelievers have not witnessed anything to not believe in, whereas the believers believe because they have witnessed. There is no 'good news' to preach in atheism.

    Reason 9: Atheists are angry with God

    How much of the atheist's faith relies on anger with God as opposed to genuine disbelief in God?

    Reason 10: Atheists need to get a life

    Why do many atheists shake their fists & spend so much time ranting & raving about something they don't believe in? If they are no more than a fizzled out battery at the end of the day, then why don't they spend their lives partying, or getting a hobby?! Why don't they leave this 'God nonsense' alone?

    Reason 11: Chicken-and-egg paradox

    What created God? What came first, the chicken or the egg? I am not going to deny the existence of the chicken or the egg, merely because I don't understand or know what came first. I don't care - they both exist!

    Reason 12: Improbability vs. impossibility

    Improbability is not the same as impossibility. You only have to look at life itself for that backup of proof.

    Reason 13: Complexity of human life

    Reason 14: Complexity of the human mind

    How could the complexity of the human mind possibly evolve on its own accord out of mindless cells? Where does our consciousness come from?

    Reason 15: Food and drink

    What/who knew that our hunger & thirst had to be catered for by the food & drink which we're supplied with?

    Reason 16: The five senses

    Most of us are born with the five senses to detect our surroundings, which we're provided with.

    Reason 17: Goldilocks and the habitable planet, part 1

    What/who knew that had Earth been set nearer to the sun, we would burn up?

    Reason 18: Goldilocks and the habitable planet, part 2

    What/who knew that had Earth been set any further from the sun, we would freeze up?

    Reason 19: Goldilocks and the habitable planet, part 3

    What/who knew that had Earth been built larger or smaller, its atmosphere would be one where it would not be possible for us to breathe?.

    Reason 20: Complementarity of plant and animal life

    What/who knew that we require the oxygen of plants, just as plants require the carbon dioxide of us?

    Reason 21: The tornado and the 747

    The concept that life came about through sheer chance is as absurd & improbable as a tornado blowing through a junk yard, consequently assembling a Boeing 747!

    Reason 22: The invisible and the supernatural

    We are willing to believe in physically unseen waves that exist through the air, operating physical forces & appliances to work [sic], yet not supernatural God forces being responsible for the same.

    Reason 23: Self-organization and entropy

    Matter cannot organise itself. An uneaten tomato will not progress on its own accord to form a perfect pineapple. It will transform into mould, into disorganisation. The laws of evolution fall flat.

    Reason 24: Darwin's deathbed conversion

    Our 'inventor' of evolution, Mr. Charles Darwin had this to say to Lady Hope when he was almost bedridden for 3 months before he died; "I was a young man with unfathomed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions; wondering all the time over everything, and to my astonishment the ideas took like wildfire - people made a religion of them." Darwin then asked Lady Hope to speak to neighbors the next day. "What shall I speak about?" She asked. He replied; "Christ Jesus and his salvation. Is that not the best theme?"

    Reason 25: Morality

    Where do our moral values held within our conscience come from? If the atheist is right, why then would we care about what we did?! If there is no God, then we've no-one to be accountable to.

    Reason 26: Man vs. animal

    If man has evolved from an animal, why doesn't he behave like an animal? Yet man is civilised.

    Reason 27: Chance and ignorance

    'Chance' isn't the cause of something. It just describes what we can't find a reason for.

     

    Reason 28: Limitations of science and logic

    Science & logic do not hold all the answers - many people are aware of forces at work which we have no understanding of & no control over.

    Reason 29: Gregorian calendar

    Look at the date/year on our calender - 2000 years ago since what? Our historical records (other than the Bible) record evidence of Jesus' existence.

    Reason 30: Martyrs

    Many people have died for their faith. Would they be prepared to do this for a lie?!

     

    Reason 31: Biblical accounts

    Much of the Bible deals with eyewitness accounts, written only 40 years after Jesus died. When the books in the New Testament were first around, there would have been confusion & anger if the books were not true.

    Reason 32: Archaeology

    From as early as 2000 BC, there is archaeological evidence to confirm many details we're provided with in the Bible.

    Reason 33: Biblical prophecy

    Not one single Biblical prediction can be shown as false, and the Bible contains hundreds.

    Reason 34: Al history

    The evidence from literature & historical studies claim that Biblical statements are reliable details of genuine events.

     

    Reason 35: Christianity and science in harmony

    From the birth of science through to today, there is no evidence to claim that Christianity & science are in opposition. Many first scientists were Christians; Francis Bacon, Isaac [sic] Newton, Robert Boyle, to name a few, along with the many who stand by their work & faith today.

     

    Reason 36: How vs. why

    Science can explain 'how' something works, but not 'why' something works.

     

    Reason 37: Science changes

    Science is constantly recorrecting [sic] its findings. Past theories contradict certain beliefs which are held today. Our present 'discoveries' may change again in the future to rediscover how we originally came into existence.

     

    Reason 38: Abiogenesis

    Evolution describes the way life possibly started, yet doesn't explain what made life start & why. Scientific questions fail to do that. Even if evolution were proved, it would still not disprove God.

    Reason: 39

    The two people who discovered Jesus' empty tomb were women. Women were very low on the social scale in first century Palestine, so in order to make the story fit, it would have made far more sense to claim that it were male disciples who had entered the tomb. But it wasn't - we're left with the historical & Biblical truth.

     

    Reason 40: Near Death experience

    Think about Near Death Experiences. It's naive to believe that they all are induced by chemicals or drugs. How do we account for a blind person having this experience, coming back to describe what they had never before seen, a person telling the Doctor that there is a blue paperclip on top of the high cabinet, which they couldn't have otherwise known, an african [sic] man being dead in his coffin for 3 days, coming back to life to tell of much the same events which took place as those of many others? We never hear of the witnesses describing "a dream". We're not silly - we know the difference between even the most vivid of dreams to that of reality.

    Reason 41: Biblical skeptics

    There are many skeptics who didn't believe in Jesus before his crucifixion, and who were opposed to Christianity, yet turned to the Christian faith after the death of Jesus. Just as the many who continue to do so today.

    Reason 42: Einstein quote

    Albert Einstein said; "A legitimate conflict between science & religion cannot exist. Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind".

    Reason 43: The tomato thrower

    A speaker in Hyde Park who was attacking belief in God, claimed that the world just happened. As he spoke, a soft tomato was thrown at him. "Who threw that?" He said angrily. A cockney from the back of the crowd replied; "No-one threw it - it threw itself!"

     

    Reason 44: Occam's supernatural razor

    It is easier to believe that God created something out of nothing than it is to believe that nothing created something out of nothing.

     

    Reason 45: How-vs.-why Hawking quote

    Stephen Hawkins [sic] has admitted; "Science may solve the problem of how the universe began, but it cannot answer the question: why does the universe bother to exist?"

     

    Reason 46: With God all things are possible

    We cannot confuse God with man. With God in the equation, all things, including miracles are possible. If God is God, he is Creator of all, inclusive of scientific law. He is Creator of matter & spirit.

     

    Reason 47: Evolved vs. evolving

    If we are the product of evolution - by sheer accident, chance, then we are still evolving. Does it just so happen that we exist here today with everything so finely tuned for our living. as we now have it?

     

    Reason 48: The Missing Link

    Could it possibly be that the missing link does not exist?!

     

    God has proved himself to us in numerous ways, all around us. The atheist needs to put his glasses on. What more can God possibly do if man has shut his eyes to him?

    Reason 50: 

    Jesus Christ is either who he says he is, or he is the biggest con man history has ever known.

    Reason 51:

     

    If

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    inb4 tl;dr

    inb4 tl;dr

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    i could prove every one of your points wrong, but i really cant be bothered
    i could prove every one of your points wrong, but i really cant be bothered
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    Just a heads up, any disagreement with the TC will result in the OT religious wing swooping in, accusing you of religious persecution and labelling you a 'Militant Athiest'

    asd

    Just a heads up, any disagreement with the TC will result in the OT religious wing swooping in, accusing you of religious persecution and labelling you a 'Militant Athiest'

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    johnd13 wrote:

    inb4 tl;dr




    You don't read because you have no argument

    Therefor, I win by default
    [QUOTE="johnd13"]

    inb4 tl;dr

    [/QUOTE] You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default
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    MetalDogGear wrote:
    johnd13 wrote:

    inb4 tl;dr

    You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default

     

    There is a spelling error in the thread title, didn't you mean to call the thread '51 reasons why MetalDogGear is an idiot' ?

    asd

    [QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="johnd13"]

    inb4 tl;dr

    [/QUOTE] You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default[/QUOTE]

     

    There is a spelling error in the thread title, didn't you mean to call the thread '51 reasons why MetalDogGear is an idiot' ?

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    MetalDogGear wrote:
    johnd13 wrote:

    inb4 tl;dr

    You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default

    I' m Christian lol.

    [QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="johnd13"]

    inb4 tl;dr

    [/QUOTE] You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default[/QUOTE]

    I' m Christian lol.

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    Feb 1, 2013 2:15 am GMT
    johnd13 wrote:

    MetalDogGear wrote:
    johnd13 wrote:

    inb4 tl;dr

    You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default

    I' m Christian lol.




    Irregardless I still win.
    [QUOTE="johnd13"]

    [QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="johnd13"]

    inb4 tl;dr

    [/QUOTE] You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default[/QUOTE]

    I' m Christian lol.

    [/QUOTE] Irregardless I still win.
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    MetalDogGear wrote:
    johnd13 wrote:

    MetalDogGear wrote:
    You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default

    I' m Christian lol.

    Irregardless I still win.

    You' re an idiot.

    [QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="johnd13"]

    [QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] You don't read because you have no argument Therefor, I win by default[/QUOTE]

    I' m Christian lol.

    [/QUOTE] Irregardless I still win.[/QUOTE]

    You' re an idiot.

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    0/10

    Go to bed.

    0/10

    Go to bed.

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    Someone who seemingly cares far more than I has already refuted all these copy and pasted points
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    Someone who seemingly cares far more than I has already refuted all these copy and pasted points
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    1. DNA wasn't assembled at random; natural selection is a non-random process. And DNA probably isn't what the first lifeforms had.
    2. Anecdote
    3. Proven by experiment to be of no value
    4. And 'nothing' is something.
    5. Universe from nothing, but note: nothing weighs something and has some volume. The universe's existence allows life. Virtual particles pop in and out of existence all the time. Limited knowledge != wrong.
    6. Science can detect "thoughts", all you have to do is translate the brain's functioning. And we've pulled images out of people's heads.
    7. Theory (th'-r, thîr')

    Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge, in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better defined by the word 'hypothesis'). Scientific theories are also distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.
    8. No it isn't. And what people have witnessed is just anecdote. There is no evidence, it doesn't seem necessary in anyway.
    9. I can't be angry at something that doesn't exist outside of fairy tales.
    10. I'm not the one who's a member of a book club that sponsors ignorance and pedophilia
    11. Not a paradox, there was no defined point that the first chicken came to be, it was a group of species of ~chicken-like birds that slowly changed, imperceptibly, into what is considered the modern day chicken.
    12. Yea, improbable != impossible. 
    13. 5
    14. Brain isn't from mindless cells, it's made of cells that make the mind. Our consciousness is just the remnant excitation of the biological analogue circuit that is our brain.
    15. We wouldn't make it here w/o sustenance, we would have failed natural selection and would have been selected out (extinct) if we failed to find food and water.
    16. Evolved
    17. Probability, 100's of billions of stars in our galaxy, of 100s of billions of galaxies in 1 (known) universe.
    18. ^
    19. ^^
    20. ^^^ 5
    21. Life wasn't random chance, it was probability (12)
    22. They are detectable. No god has ever been detected.
    23. Tomatoes rot because of bacteria, they don't "transform". And 5.
    24. No evidence of this occurring.
    25. The group survives, not the individual. Natural selection was the crucible that forged our morality, necessary for a social life style.
    26. They do.
    27. Chance is probability, you have a x% probability for "this" outcome. Flip a coin, 50/50 chance of heads up.
    28. The only limit that we know for sure is our knowledge.
    29. Wat, there are other calenders. Our calender, based of the Ancient Romans (pagen) used to have 10 months (December = deci = 10. It is now the "Julian" calender with Julius(July) and Augustus(August) Cesar added.)
    30. Cults, Cons.. People have many times in the past.
    31. Not evidence
    32. Surprisingly, art is shaped by the culture its from, almost all of it has some historic accuracy if you look into it.
    33. The only prophecies in the bible were "discovered" after they occurred.
    34. Nope, the Bible has very little verifiable and accurate history.
    35. I can't remember her name, a scientist, was murdered by early Christians in Alexandria ~300 A.D.. Pushing creationism and "intelligent design", religion hardly likes science, since it's so often able to stop the tithes from rolling in. Iraq 'used' to be the scientific and social center of the world, look where it is now.
    36. "Why" doesn't matter. "Why must there be a universe?" A= "Why must there be a reason?"
    37. That's its strength, the ability to amend its faults, to correct itself. Religion is stagnate, bronze age myths.
    38. "Why" doesn't matter, why something 'must' exist is meaningless. Abiogensis is an incomplete hypothesis, ignorance != wrong.
    39. Anecdote
    40. The white flash and lovely sensation is the results of endorphins. And, if you've ever noticed, you accept your dreams as reality 99% of the time during them. Only when you're conscious do you realize it wasn't (unless you're having a lucid dream).
    41. Anecdote
    42. Religion's fun, but blind? K, I think it's disgusting Einstein was only a man, he was fallible.
    43. wat, anecdote
    44. God would have came from nothing too, doesn't answer the question at all, beyond plugging your ears and saying "naa naa naan aaa, I don't hear you". Something from nothing 5.
    45. It doesn't need to have a "why" (this is getting redundant)
    47. So finely tuned, that's why we have vestiges and sickness. 
    48. Tiny gaps aren't important, there's more than enough evidence to see where our species evolved from. And Lucy(homo floresien) is one of many "missing links"
    49. Not proven in any way.
    50. Even if Jesus existed, and honestly believed the crap he said; the biggest con man, he is not. No, the concept of organized religion is the biggest con.
    51. Pascal's wager, bet on an infinite variation of possible religions and think that it will get you to heaven. Is it not more moral to have honestly failed to believe in God due to a lack of evidence, than it is to believe in God just to save yourself? How selfish.

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    1. DNA wasn't assembled at random; natural selection is a non-random process. And DNA probably isn't what the first lifeforms had.
    2. Anecdote
    3. Proven by experiment to be of no value
    4. And 'nothing' is something.
    5. Universe from nothing, but note: nothing weighs something and has some volume. The universe's existence allows life. Virtual particles pop in and out of existence all the time. Limited knowledge != wrong.
    6. Science can detect "thoughts", all you have to do is translate the brain's functioning. And we've pulled images out of people's heads.
    7. Theory (th'-r, thîr')

    Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge, in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better defined by the word 'hypothesis'). Scientific theories are also distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.
    8. No it isn't. And what people have witnessed is just anecdote. There is no evidence, it doesn't seem necessary in anyway.
    9. I can't be angry at something that doesn't exist outside of fairy tales.
    10. I'm not the one who's a member of a book club that sponsors ignorance and pedophilia
    11. Not a paradox, there was no defined point that the first chicken came to be, it was a group of species of ~chicken-like birds that slowly changed, imperceptibly, into what is considered the modern day chicken.
    12. Yea, improbable != impossible. 
    13. 5
    14. Brain isn't from mindless cells, it's made of cells that make the mind. Our consciousness is just the remnant excitation of the biological analogue circuit that is our brain.
    15. We wouldn't make it here w/o sustenance, we would have failed natural selection and would have been selected out (extinct) if we failed to find food and water.
    16. Evolved
    17. Probability, 100's of billions of stars in our galaxy, of 100s of billions of galaxies in 1 (known) universe.
    18. ^
    19. ^^
    20. ^^^ 5
    21. Life wasn't random chance, it was probability (12)
    22. They are detectable. No god has ever been detected.
    23. Tomatoes rot because of bacteria, they don't "transform". And 5.
    24. No evidence of this occurring.
    25. The group survives, not the individual. Natural selection was the crucible that forged our morality, necessary for a social life style.
    26. They do.
    27. Chance is probability, you have a x% probability for "this" outcome. Flip a coin, 50/50 chance of heads up.
    28. The only limit that we know for sure is our knowledge.
    29. Wat, there are other calenders. Our calender, based of the Ancient Romans (pagen) used to have 10 months (December = deci = 10. It is now the "Julian" calender with Julius(July) and Augustus(August) Cesar added.)
    30. Cults, Cons.. People have many times in the past.
    31. Not evidence
    32. Surprisingly, art is shaped by the culture its from, almost all of it has some historic accuracy if you look into it.
    33. The only prophecies in the bible were "discovered" after they occurred.
    34. Nope, the Bible has very little verifiable and accurate history.
    35. I can't remember her name, a scientist, was murdered by early Christians in Alexandria ~300 A.D.. Pushing creationism and "intelligent design", religion hardly likes science, since it's so often able to stop the tithes from rolling in. Iraq 'used' to be the scientific and social center of the world, look where it is now.
    36. "Why" doesn't matter. "Why must there be a universe?" A= "Why must there be a reason?"
    37. That's its strength, the ability to amend its faults, to correct itself. Religion is stagnate, bronze age myths.
    38. "Why" doesn't matter, why something 'must' exist is meaningless. Abiogensis is an incomplete hypothesis, ignorance != wrong.
    39. Anecdote
    40. The white flash and lovely sensation is the results of endorphins. And, if you've ever noticed, you accept your dreams as reality 99% of the time during them. Only when you're conscious do you realize it wasn't (unless you're having a lucid dream).
    41. Anecdote
    42. Religion's fun, but blind? K, I think it's disgusting Einstein was only a man, he was fallible.
    43. wat, anecdote
    44. God would have came from nothing too, doesn't answer the question at all, beyond plugging your ears and saying "naa naa naan aaa, I don't hear you". Something from nothing 5.
    45. It doesn't need to have a "why" (this is getting redundant)
    47. So finely tuned, that's why we have vestiges and sickness. 
    48. Tiny gaps aren't important, there's more than enough evidence to see where our species evolved from. And Lucy(homo floresien) is one of many "missing links"
    49. Not proven in any way.
    50. Even if Jesus existed, and honestly believed the crap he said; the biggest con man, he is not. No, the concept of organized religion is the biggest con.
    51. Pascal's wager, bet on an infinite variation of possible religions and think that it will get you to heaven. Is it not more moral to have honestly failed to believe in God due to a lack of evidence, than it is to believe in God just to save yourself? How selfish.

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    Inconsistancy wrote:

    1. DNA wasn't assembled at random; natural selection is a non-random process. And DNA probably isn't what the first lifeforms had.
    2. Anecdote
    3. Proven by experiment to be of no value
    4. And 'nothing' is something.
    5. Universe from nothing, but note: nothing weighs something and has some volume. The universe's existence allows life. Virtual particles pop in and out of existence all the time. Limited knowledge != wrong.
    6. Science can detect "thoughts", all you have to do is translate the brain's functioning. And we've pulled images out of people's heads.
    7. Theory (th'-r, thîr')

    Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge, in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better defined by the word 'hypothesis'). Scientific theories are also distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.
    8. No it isn't. And what people have witnessed is just anecdote. There is no evidence, it doesn't seem necessary in anyway.
    9. I can't be angry at something that doesn't exist outside of fairy tales.
    10. I'm not the one who's a member of a book club that sponsors ignorance and pedophilia
    11. Not a paradox, there was no defined point that the first chicken came to be, it was a group of species of ~chicken-like birds that slowly changed, imperceptibly, into what is considered the modern day chicken.
    12. Yea, improbable != impossible. 
    13. 5
    14. Brain isn't from mindless cells, it's made of cells that make the mind. Our consciousness is just the remnant excitation of the biological analogue circuit that is our brain.
    15. We wouldn't make it here w/o sustenance, we would have failed natural selection and would have been selected out (extinct) if we failed to find food and water.
    16. Evolved
    17. Probability, 100's of billions of stars in our galaxy, of 100s of billions of galaxies in 1 (known) universe.
    18. ^
    19. ^^
    20. ^^^ 5
    21. Life wasn't random chance, it was probability (12)
    22. They are detectable. No god has ever been detected.
    23. Tomatoes rot because of bacteria, they don't "transform". And 5.
    24. No evidence of this occurring.
    25. The group survives, not the individual. Natural selection was the crucible that forged our morality, necessary for a social life style.
    26. They do.
    27. Chance is probability, you have a x% probability for "this" outcome. Flip a coin, 50/50 chance of heads up.
    28. The only limit that we know for sure is our knowledge.
    29. Wat, there are other calenders. Our calender, based of the Ancient Romans (pagen) used to have 10 months (December = deci = 10. It is now the "Julian" calender with Julius(July) and Augustus(August) Cesar added.)
    30. Cults, Cons.. People have many times in the past.
    31. Not evidence
    32. Surprisingly, art is shaped by the culture its from, almost all of it has some historic accuracy if you look into it.
    33. The only prophecies in the bible were "discovered" after they occurred.
    34. Nope, the Bible has very little verifiable and accurate history.
    35. I can't remember her name, a scientist, was murdered by early Christians in Alexandria ~300 A.D.. Pushing creationism and "intelligent design", religion hardly likes science, since it's so often able to stop the tithes from rolling in. Iraq 'used' to be the scientific and social center of the world, look where it is now.
    36. "Why" doesn't matter. "Why must there be a universe?" A= "Why must there be a reason?"
    37. That's its strength, the ability to amend its faults, to correct itself. Religion is stagnate, bronze age myths.
    38. "Why" doesn't matter, why something 'must' exist is meaningless. Abiogensis is an incomplete hypothesis, ignorance != wrong.
    39. Anecdote
    40. The white flash and lovely sensation is the results of endorphins. And, if you've ever noticed, you accept your dreams as reality 99% of the time during them. Only when you're conscious do you realize it wasn't (unless you're having a lucid dream).
    41. Anecdote
    42. Religion's fun, but blind? K, I think it's disgusting Einstein was only a man, he was fallible.
    43. wat, anecdote
    44. God would have came from nothing too, doesn't answer the question at all, beyond plugging your ears and saying "naa naa naan aaa, I don't hear you". Something from nothing 5.
    45. It doesn't need to have a "why" (this is getting redundant)
    47. So finely tuned, that's why we have vestiges and sickness. 
    48. Tiny gaps aren't important, there's more than enough evidence to see where our species evolved from. And Lucy(homo floresien) is one of many "missing links"
    49. Not proven in any way.
    50. Even if Jesus existed, and honestly believed the crap he said; the biggest con man, he is not. No, the concept of organized religion is the biggest con.
    51. Pascal's wager, bet on an infinite variation of possible religions and think that it will get you to heaven. Is it not more moral to have honestly failed to believe in God due to a lack of evidence, than it is to believe in God just to save yourself? How selfish.


    Kudos, you actually took the time to answer all his points.
    [QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

    1. DNA wasn't assembled at random; natural selection is a non-random process. And DNA probably isn't what the first lifeforms had.
    2. Anecdote
    3. Proven by experiment to be of no value
    4. And 'nothing' is something.
    5. Universe from nothing, but note: nothing weighs something and has some volume. The universe's existence allows life. Virtual particles pop in and out of existence all the time. Limited knowledge != wrong.
    6. Science can detect "thoughts", all you have to do is translate the brain's functioning. And we've pulled images out of people's heads.
    7. Theory (th'-r, thîr')

    Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge, in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better defined by the word 'hypothesis'). Scientific theories are also distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.
    8. No it isn't. And what people have witnessed is just anecdote. There is no evidence, it doesn't seem necessary in anyway.
    9. I can't be angry at something that doesn't exist outside of fairy tales.
    10. I'm not the one who's a member of a book club that sponsors ignorance and pedophilia
    11. Not a paradox, there was no defined point that the first chicken came to be, it was a group of species of ~chicken-like birds that slowly changed, imperceptibly, into what is considered the modern day chicken.
    12. Yea, improbable != impossible. 
    13. 5
    14. Brain isn't from mindless cells, it's made of cells that make the mind. Our consciousness is just the remnant excitation of the biological analogue circuit that is our brain.
    15. We wouldn't make it here w/o sustenance, we would have failed natural selection and would have been selected out (extinct) if we failed to find food and water.
    16. Evolved
    17. Probability, 100's of billions of stars in our galaxy, of 100s of billions of galaxies in 1 (known) universe.
    18. ^
    19. ^^
    20. ^^^ 5
    21. Life wasn't random chance, it was probability (12)
    22. They are detectable. No god has ever been detected.
    23. Tomatoes rot because of bacteria, they don't "transform". And 5.
    24. No evidence of this occurring.
    25. The group survives, not the individual. Natural selection was the crucible that forged our morality, necessary for a social life style.
    26. They do.
    27. Chance is probability, you have a x% probability for "this" outcome. Flip a coin, 50/50 chance of heads up.
    28. The only limit that we know for sure is our knowledge.
    29. Wat, there are other calenders. Our calender, based of the Ancient Romans (pagen) used to have 10 months (December = deci = 10. It is now the "Julian" calender with Julius(July) and Augustus(August) Cesar added.)
    30. Cults, Cons.. People have many times in the past.
    31. Not evidence
    32. Surprisingly, art is shaped by the culture its from, almost all of it has some historic accuracy if you look into it.
    33. The only prophecies in the bible were "discovered" after they occurred.
    34. Nope, the Bible has very little verifiable and accurate history.
    35. I can't remember her name, a scientist, was murdered by early Christians in Alexandria ~300 A.D.. Pushing creationism and "intelligent design", religion hardly likes science, since it's so often able to stop the tithes from rolling in. Iraq 'used' to be the scientific and social center of the world, look where it is now.
    36. "Why" doesn't matter. "Why must there be a universe?" A= "Why must there be a reason?"
    37. That's its strength, the ability to amend its faults, to correct itself. Religion is stagnate, bronze age myths.
    38. "Why" doesn't matter, why something 'must' exist is meaningless. Abiogensis is an incomplete hypothesis, ignorance != wrong.
    39. Anecdote
    40. The white flash and lovely sensation is the results of endorphins. And, if you've ever noticed, you accept your dreams as reality 99% of the time during them. Only when you're conscious do you realize it wasn't (unless you're having a lucid dream).
    41. Anecdote
    42. Religion's fun, but blind? K, I think it's disgusting Einstein was only a man, he was fallible.
    43. wat, anecdote
    44. God would have came from nothing too, doesn't answer the question at all, beyond plugging your ears and saying "naa naa naan aaa, I don't hear you". Something from nothing 5.
    45. It doesn't need to have a "why" (this is getting redundant)
    47. So finely tuned, that's why we have vestiges and sickness. 
    48. Tiny gaps aren't important, there's more than enough evidence to see where our species evolved from. And Lucy(homo floresien) is one of many "missing links"
    49. Not proven in any way.
    50. Even if Jesus existed, and honestly believed the crap he said; the biggest con man, he is not. No, the concept of organized religion is the biggest con.
    51. Pascal's wager, bet on an infinite variation of possible religions and think that it will get you to heaven. Is it not more moral to have honestly failed to believe in God due to a lack of evidence, than it is to believe in God just to save yourself? How selfish.

    [/QUOTE] Kudos, you actually took the time to answer all his points. :)
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    If God exists he's a real dick
    If God exists he's a real dick
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    Well, I read all of them, and not a single one of them necessarily means that Christianity is correct.

    Some are general 'attacks on atheism (which do not prove anything relating to any religion, let alone Christianity), some are claims that science and religion can coincide (which don't prove anything relating to any religion, let alone Christianity), some are general observations on the supernatural (which proved nothing about Christianity), and some simply say that the Bible is right because it hasn't been disproven yet (which proves nothing about Christianity).

    Just about all of them are logically flawed in their own, special way. It'd take a few pages of posts and about an hour to fully point out why though, so bugger that.

    If you can't immediately see why most of these points are inherently flawed, then I strongly suggest that you actually try to learn something about science, philosophy or logic at some point in the future.

    Edited on Feb 1, 2013 4:19 am GMT

    Well, I read all of them, and not a single one of them necessarily means that Christianity is correct.

    Some are general 'attacks on atheism (which do not prove anything relating to any religion, let alone Christianity), some are claims that science and religion can coincide (which don't prove anything relating to any religion, let alone Christianity), some are general observations on the supernatural (which proved nothing about Christianity), and some simply say that the Bible is right because it hasn't been disproven yet (which proves nothing about Christianity).

    Just about all of them are logically flawed in their own, special way. It'd take a few pages of posts and about an hour to fully point out why though, so bugger that.

    If you can't immediately see why most of these points are inherently flawed, then I strongly suggest that you actually try to learn something about science, philosophy or logic at some point in the future.

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    Have you ever seen god?
    No.
    2.Got any proofs for that?
    No you don't

    whoDat_whoDat wrote:
    Engrish_Major wrote:
    No, like I stated before, the memory limitations alone on consoles can't hold enough textures to be able to replicate Crysis 1.
    thats why they dont need the memory PS3 has a little something something called Blu-Ray. and its 25 times the size of a petty 2gb SD RAM

    Have you ever seen god? No. 2.Got any proofs for that? No you don't
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    Actually, here you go. Someone else responded to this same list back in 2011: http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=50_reasons_to_believe_in_God
    Actually, here you go. Someone else responded to this same list back in 2011: [url]http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=50_reasons_to_believe_in_God[/url]
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    MetalDogGear wrote:


    oh my

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    I believe in God yet disagree with most of those reasonings.
    I believe in God yet disagree with most of those reasonings.
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