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Edge-Online: Next Xbox Will Require Always-On Internet, No Used Games.
- Feb 9, 2013 4:57 pm GMTIf Microsoft's next console only works while online then I will not be buying one.
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- Feb 9, 2013 7:13 pm GMTI had to create a membership just so I could discuss this BS. There are so much wrong with banning used game, so let`s begin: After reading about this everywhere I see it pisses almost every consumer off. When we pay full price for a game we should be able to do what we want with it. Thats how everything works, and it`s wrong to ban used games just because you have the patent to do so. This will turn consumers away from buying both their consoles and their games. Stores like Gamestop will die, and they are selling new consoles, and games as well. It`s BS that they don`t make money out of used games. I pay for Xbox Live because it allows me to play used games online. When I bought a used copy of Mass Effect I payed real money for every single DLC. When I bought a used copy of Far Cry 3 I payed for a online pass. No used games will probably mean less people will pay for DLC`s. So now I have to pay for Xbox Live, the console, full price games, and Internet? Wow, that`s a lot of money . On Norway I have to pay more than 100 dollars each game as well. We have something called taxes you know. We won`t be able to trade games, loan games, rent games..... What happens the day the consoles dies or turn old? The day they shut down the online servers. Am I the prideful owner of 200 games that I no longer can`t play because the online support is gone? Will these games never have a future within retro gaming? Another issue is that pirate will find a way to hack this, they always do. When that happens, it could create some black marked for used games on these consoles. We can still sell our "useless" copies you know. But to one of my biggest consernes. What will happen when games are out of stock and we no longer are able to find new copies? Publishers will always produce a limited amount of games, and they stop doing so when the game is not longer popular among the consumers. What happens then? Do we have to go on Ebay and pray that someone is selling a brand new copy of that game? And if they do, we probably have to pay a huge amount of money, because when the other copies are useless, the new copy is a rare treasure. I know some of you will say; they will probably let you download the game digital then. I say **** NO. Aren`t these game supposed to be released on 50 GB discs? Yeah ok, I guess everyone can just download 50 GB without problems.
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- Feb 9, 2013 8:19 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Sstrawberryjam"]
Rumour has it that both next-gen consoles will require blood sacrifices to turn on and be powered by the tears of the innocent.
[/QUOTE]Poetry.
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- Feb 9, 2013 8:36 pm GMT[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]
I was reading the EDGE article again and something caught my attention:
Sources with first-hand experience of Microsofts next generation console have told us that although the next Xbox will be absolutely committed to online functionality, games will still be made available to purchase in physical form.
This reads as if online functionality and the restricting of software to a single system are one and the same when in reality those are two very different issues entirely. What is interesting is that the wording here suggests a disparity between physical media and downloadable software, meaning that perhaps the only games that will be locked to a specific system will be those digitally purchased, which is merely an extension of the current model.
Now take a gander at this quote:
It is believed that games purchased on disc will ship with activation codes, and will have no value beyond the initial user.
Believed?
Who, exactly, believes that physical discs will ship with activation codes?
There would be no reason for MS to share that information with a developer at this early stage nor do I think anyone privy to such sensitive information working at MS would leak this to the press so it immediately calls into question the validity of the source and subsequently the veracity of the information. Furthermore, the verbiage employed in this article is clearly speculative in nature, bordering on whimsical conjecture.
Many, many people are taking this rumor as gospel yet I have a growing suspicion this really is mostly BS.
We'll see in the coming months.
[/QUOTE] Not the coming months. We`ll see when Sony announcing their PS4 this month. If Sony doesnt pull this BS and allows used games like Nintendo DID (why the **** hasnt this been mentioned?) MS will HAVE to do the same.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 10, 2013 12:04 am GMT
Hope these rumors are false, but if they aren't it would be a good chance to finally become a PC gamer.
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- Feb 10, 2013 11:53 am GMThttp://meemsy.com/v/6844 hitler is not happy
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- Feb 10, 2013 8:58 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]If this turns out to be true, which I kind of doubt, I'll still buy one because it'll have the games that I most want to play on it. I don't care for the always online part but if I think about it I'm always online with my 360 and PS3 whenever I play now anyway so that probably won't be an issue. As for playing used games I don't buy used games and I don't care for lending, borrowing, trading, or selling them anyway so again this is another non-issue for me as well. Still though this is all just speculation and I'm highly skeptical that either Microsoft or Sony will implement this features next gen.[/QUOTE]
Im always online with my 360 and PC as well but an online only ecosystem didn't exactly help Diablo 3.
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- Feb 11, 2013 12:02 am GMTError 37, can log the **** on you mean? Yeah, and thats only one game. I dont see the problem in letting the developer decide this for themself. If they want to ban used game, make a code to do so. Then we can choose what game to ignore.
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- Feb 11, 2013 3:45 am GMT
[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]I had to create a membership just so I could discuss this BS. There are so much wrong with banning used game, so let`s begin: After reading about this everywhere I see it pisses almost every consumer off. When we pay full price for a game we should be able to do what we want with it. Thats how everything works, and it`s wrong to ban used games just because you have the patent to do so. This will turn consumers away from buying both their consoles and their games. Stores like Gamestop will die, and they are selling new consoles, and games as well. It`s BS that they don`t make money out of used games. I pay for Xbox Live because it allows me to play used games online. When I bought a used copy of Mass Effect I payed real money for every single DLC. When I bought a used copy of Far Cry 3 I payed for a online pass. No used games will probably mean less people will pay for DLC`s. So now I have to pay for Xbox Live, the console, full price games, and Internet? Wow, that`s a lot of money . On Norway I have to pay more than 100 dollars each game as well. We have something called taxes you know. We won`t be able to trade games, loan games, rent games..... What happens the day the consoles dies or turn old? The day they shut down the online servers. Am I the prideful owner of 200 games that I no longer can`t play because the online support is gone? Will these games never have a future within retro gaming? Another issue is that pirate will find a way to hack this, they always do. When that happens, it could create some black marked for used games on these consoles. We can still sell our "useless" copies you know. But to one of my biggest consernes. What will happen when games are out of stock and we no longer are able to find new copies? Publishers will always produce a limited amount of games, and they stop doing so when the game is not longer popular among the consumers. What happens then? Do we have to go on Ebay and pray that someone is selling a brand new copy of that game? And if they do, we probably have to pay a huge amount of money, because when the other copies are useless, the new copy is a rare treasure. I know some of you will say; they will probably let you download the game digital then. I say **** NO. Aren`t these game supposed to be released on 50 GB discs? Yeah ok, I guess everyone can just download 50 GB without problems. [/QUOTE]
I'm surprised everyone just ignored your post as well as my own from earlier.
Once PSN and Xbox Live are removed from PS3 and Xbox 360, what are we supposed to do with our digital titles? I won't be able to download them again as I won't be able to sign in. If my console breaks, I can't call Sony or Microsoft to help with the license transfers either. Everything you purchased will be gone, everything turns into a glorified rental.
This does not work for consoles, whereas PC is a singular platform, consoles are not. Once the hardware dies everything you purchased dies with it. With PC everything transfers from one to the other. I'd also like to point out that here in Canada some of use have download caps, otherwise it will cost me even more. My internet speeds are also troublesome at times, forcing me to be online in order to play would absolutely ruin my gaming experience.
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- Feb 11, 2013 4:54 am GMT
PSN, XBL & NN ID: Briguyb13 | 3DS FC: 1418-7019-4685
[QUOTE="contracts420"]
[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]I had to create a membership just so I could discuss this BS. There are so much wrong with banning used game, so let`s begin: After reading about this everywhere I see it pisses almost every consumer off. When we pay full price for a game we should be able to do what we want with it. Thats how everything works, and it`s wrong to ban used games just because you have the patent to do so. This will turn consumers away from buying both their consoles and their games. Stores like Gamestop will die, and they are selling new consoles, and games as well. It`s BS that they don`t make money out of used games. I pay for Xbox Live because it allows me to play used games online. When I bought a used copy of Mass Effect I payed real money for every single DLC. When I bought a used copy of Far Cry 3 I payed for a online pass. No used games will probably mean less people will pay for DLC`s. So now I have to pay for Xbox Live, the console, full price games, and Internet? Wow, that`s a lot of money . On Norway I have to pay more than 100 dollars each game as well. We have something called taxes you know. We won`t be able to trade games, loan games, rent games..... What happens the day the consoles dies or turn old? The day they shut down the online servers. Am I the prideful owner of 200 games that I no longer can`t play because the online support is gone? Will these games never have a future within retro gaming? Another issue is that pirate will find a way to hack this, they always do. When that happens, it could create some black marked for used games on these consoles. We can still sell our "useless" copies you know. But to one of my biggest consernes. What will happen when games are out of stock and we no longer are able to find new copies? Publishers will always produce a limited amount of games, and they stop doing so when the game is not longer popular among the consumers. What happens then? Do we have to go on Ebay and pray that someone is selling a brand new copy of that game? And if they do, we probably have to pay a huge amount of money, because when the other copies are useless, the new copy is a rare treasure. I know some of you will say; they will probably let you download the game digital then. I say **** NO. Aren`t these game supposed to be released on 50 GB discs? Yeah ok, I guess everyone can just download 50 GB without problems. [/QUOTE]
I'm surprised everyone just ignored your post as well as my own from earlier.
Once PSN and Xbox Live are removed from PS3 and Xbox 360, what are we supposed to do with our digital titles? I won't be able to download them again as I won't be able to sign in. If my console breaks, I can't call Sony or Microsoft to help with the license transfers either. Everything you purchased will be gone, everything turns into a glorified rental.
This does not work for consoles, whereas PC is a singular platform, consoles are not. Once the hardware dies everything you purchased dies with it. With PC everything transfers from one to the other. I'd also like to point out that here in Canada some of use have download caps, otherwise it will cost me even more. My internet speeds are also troublesome at times, forcing me to be online in order to play would absolutely ruin my gaming experience.
[/QUOTE]As it stands now, you don't have to be signed in to play your digital titles that are already on your hard drive. As far as expecting to have and download them on next gen systems, good luck with that.
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- Feb 11, 2013 5:17 am GMT
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="contracts420"]
[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]I had to create a membership just so I could discuss this BS. There are so much wrong with banning used game, so let`s begin: After reading about this everywhere I see it pisses almost every consumer off. When we pay full price for a game we should be able to do what we want with it. Thats how everything works, and it`s wrong to ban used games just because you have the patent to do so. This will turn consumers away from buying both their consoles and their games. Stores like Gamestop will die, and they are selling new consoles, and games as well. It`s BS that they don`t make money out of used games. I pay for Xbox Live because it allows me to play used games online. When I bought a used copy of Mass Effect I payed real money for every single DLC. When I bought a used copy of Far Cry 3 I payed for a online pass. No used games will probably mean less people will pay for DLC`s. So now I have to pay for Xbox Live, the console, full price games, and Internet? Wow, that`s a lot of money . On Norway I have to pay more than 100 dollars each game as well. We have something called taxes you know. We won`t be able to trade games, loan games, rent games..... What happens the day the consoles dies or turn old? The day they shut down the online servers. Am I the prideful owner of 200 games that I no longer can`t play because the online support is gone? Will these games never have a future within retro gaming? Another issue is that pirate will find a way to hack this, they always do. When that happens, it could create some black marked for used games on these consoles. We can still sell our "useless" copies you know. But to one of my biggest consernes. What will happen when games are out of stock and we no longer are able to find new copies? Publishers will always produce a limited amount of games, and they stop doing so when the game is not longer popular among the consumers. What happens then? Do we have to go on Ebay and pray that someone is selling a brand new copy of that game? And if they do, we probably have to pay a huge amount of money, because when the other copies are useless, the new copy is a rare treasure. I know some of you will say; they will probably let you download the game digital then. I say **** NO. Aren`t these game supposed to be released on 50 GB discs? Yeah ok, I guess everyone can just download 50 GB without problems. [/QUOTE]
I'm surprised everyone just ignored your post as well as my own from earlier.
Once PSN and Xbox Live are removed from PS3 and Xbox 360, what are we supposed to do with our digital titles? I won't be able to download them again as I won't be able to sign in. If my console breaks, I can't call Sony or Microsoft to help with the license transfers either. Everything you purchased will be gone, everything turns into a glorified rental.
This does not work for consoles, whereas PC is a singular platform, consoles are not. Once the hardware dies everything you purchased dies with it. With PC everything transfers from one to the other. I'd also like to point out that here in Canada some of use have download caps, otherwise it will cost me even more. My internet speeds are also troublesome at times, forcing me to be online in order to play would absolutely ruin my gaming experience.
[/QUOTE]As it stands now, you don't have to be signed in to play your digital titles that are already on your hard drive. As far as expecting to have and download them on next gen systems, good luck with that.
[/QUOTE]
I do not expect to download my purchased digital titles on next gen consoles. I'm also aware that I do not need to be online in order to play my titles, but next gen this is a real possibility. Add in the fact that once PSN and Xbox Live go down, if something happens to my current gen console I may not be able to download anything I purchased or even transfer the liceneses in order to play them on another console. However with physical copies and no codes, I have nothing to worry about.
So many people don't understand that everything purchased digitally is nothing more than a glorified rental, you do not own it in any way. Once the network for that console is shut down you are basically left pissing in the wind. I don't know about the rest of you but I don't like the idea of throwing away my money for what is the equivalent of a rental.
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- Feb 11, 2013 10:44 am GMT[QUOTE="contracts420"]
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="contracts420"]
I'm surprised everyone just ignored your post as well as my own from earlier.
Once PSN and Xbox Live are removed from PS3 and Xbox 360, what are we supposed to do with our digital titles? I won't be able to download them again as I won't be able to sign in. If my console breaks, I can't call Sony or Microsoft to help with the license transfers either. Everything you purchased will be gone, everything turns into a glorified rental.
This does not work for consoles, whereas PC is a singular platform, consoles are not. Once the hardware dies everything you purchased dies with it. With PC everything transfers from one to the other. I'd also like to point out that here in Canada some of use have download caps, otherwise it will cost me even more. My internet speeds are also troublesome at times, forcing me to be online in order to play would absolutely ruin my gaming experience.
[/QUOTE]As it stands now, you don't have to be signed in to play your digital titles that are already on your hard drive. As far as expecting to have and download them on next gen systems, good luck with that.
[/QUOTE]
I do not expect to download my purchased digital titles on next gen consoles. I'm also aware that I do not need to be online in order to play my titles, but next gen this is a real possibility. Add in the fact that once PSN and Xbox Live go down, if something happens to my current gen console I may not be able to download anything I purchased or even transfer the liceneses in order to play them on another console. However with physical copies and no codes, I have nothing to worry about.
So many people don't understand that everything purchased digitally is nothing more than a glorified rental, you do not own it in any way. Once the network for that console is shut down you are basically left pissing in the wind. I don't know about the rest of you but I don't like the idea of throwing away my money for what is the equivalent of a rental.
[/QUOTE] Well said, and true. Many EA Games lack online multiplayer support after a couple of years. The only problem is that this will happen with single player and every offline mode as well if they do this.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 11, 2013 12:11 pm GMT
Kinect sucks.
But we already have a system wars forum so use it.
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- Feb 11, 2013 12:24 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]
Kinect sucks.
But we already have a system wars forum so use it.
[/QUOTE]
Even before the new rules were instituted, this thread would be fine. Telling people where to post doesn't add anything to a thread.
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- Feb 11, 2013 2:23 pm GMTBut do you guys really think they will block used games?
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- Feb 11, 2013 2:32 pm GMT
PSN, XBL & NN ID: Briguyb13 | 3DS FC: 1418-7019-4685
[QUOTE="contracts420"]
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="contracts420"]
I'm surprised everyone just ignored your post as well as my own from earlier.
Once PSN and Xbox Live are removed from PS3 and Xbox 360, what are we supposed to do with our digital titles? I won't be able to download them again as I won't be able to sign in. If my console breaks, I can't call Sony or Microsoft to help with the license transfers either. Everything you purchased will be gone, everything turns into a glorified rental.
This does not work for consoles, whereas PC is a singular platform, consoles are not. Once the hardware dies everything you purchased dies with it. With PC everything transfers from one to the other. I'd also like to point out that here in Canada some of use have download caps, otherwise it will cost me even more. My internet speeds are also troublesome at times, forcing me to be online in order to play would absolutely ruin my gaming experience.
[/QUOTE]As it stands now, you don't have to be signed in to play your digital titles that are already on your hard drive. As far as expecting to have and download them on next gen systems, good luck with that.
[/QUOTE]
I do not expect to download my purchased digital titles on next gen consoles. I'm also aware that I do not need to be online in order to play my titles, but next gen this is a real possibility. Add in the fact that once PSN and Xbox Live go down, if something happens to my current gen console I may not be able to download anything I purchased or even transfer the liceneses in order to play them on another console. However with physical copies and no codes, I have nothing to worry about.
So many people don't understand that everything purchased digitally is nothing more than a glorified rental, you do not own it in any way. Once the network for that console is shut down you are basically left pissing in the wind. I don't know about the rest of you but I don't like the idea of throwing away my money for what is the equivalent of a rental.
[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree with you on that, and if these terrible things end up being true I wouldn't even consider buying them. Ever.
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- Feb 11, 2013 2:32 pm GMT
[QUOTE="BuldozerX"]But do you guys really think they will block used games?[/QUOTE]
No. Because even if they want to, neither Microsoft or Sony wants to be one to pull the trigger. It's too big a gamble. They'd only do it if they had reason to believe it wouldn't backfire.
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- Feb 11, 2013 2:45 pm GMT
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The best way for Sony and MS to combat used games is to launch with huge HDDs and make digital a more compelling option. I'm all digital on my Vita and my PC. I don't ever go to retail stores, and I don't really look for used games. I've grown to love Steam sales and the convenience of shopping for games from my couch too much to go see if Gamestop has some used game for $5 cheaper than the retail price.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 11, 2013 3:25 pm GMT
PSN, XBL & NN ID: Briguyb13 | 3DS FC: 1418-7019-4685
[QUOTE="rragnaar"]The best way for Sony and MS to combat used games is to launch with huge HDDs and make digital a more compelling option. I'm all digital on my Vita and my PC. I don't ever go to retail stores, and I don't really look for used games. I've grown to love Steam sales and the convenience of shopping for games from my couch too much to go see if Gamestop has some used game for $5 cheaper than the retail price.[/QUOTE]You don't have to use Gamestop to look for used games. Theirs are always in terrible condition and have nasty stickers all over the game box. Gamefly, Amazon and Glyde have used games in excellent condition @ very cheap prices that make digital purchases on console feel like highway robbery.
A lot of us are cautiously pessimistic about going full digital for fear of things like limited usage on systems, and future availability.
I've gone almost fully digital on Vita as well, and I worry about some of my purchases for a decade or so down the road. If my Vita goes bad at that time, will games like Little Big Planet Vita and Persona 4 Golden still be available for me to re-download?
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- Feb 11, 2013 4:41 pm GMT
[QUOTE="rragnaar"]The best way for Sony and MS to combat used games is to launch with huge HDDs and make digital a more compelling option. I'm all digital on my Vita and my PC. I don't ever go to retail stores, and I don't really look for used games. I've grown to love Steam sales and the convenience of shopping for games from my couch too much to go see if Gamestop has some used game for $5 cheaper than the retail price.[/QUOTE]
Better hope Sony doesn't end up robbing you like Microsoft did to me. Microsoft had a couple of the Streets of Rage games on XBLA so I downloaded SOR 2 because I already have the 1st one on my Wii. Went to go play it the other day and I came to find out that it isn't available anymore, they took it all the SOR games down and combined them all into 1 download of the whole trilogy, so now I can't play Streets of Rage 2, which means Microsoft basically robbed me of $10, and I can totally see stuff like that happening more often in a digital only environment.
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