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Why is Mario so popular?
- Feb 12, 2013 6:04 am GMT
I know why Mario is so popular but that doesnt mean I have to like him.
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- Feb 12, 2013 6:09 am GMT
It's hard not to like Mario.
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I am Kong.
Strong and passionate, I tend to be misunderstood, sometimes even feared. I don't want to fight, I don't want to cause trouble, all I ask is a little love, and a little peace. If I don't get what I want, I get angry, and throw barrels and flaming oil at whatever's stopping me. What Video Game Character Are You?It was one of the first games that actually had an end, He revolutionized platforming with Super Mario 3 & Super Mario World, and then pretty much set the standard for 3D camera/character control with Super Mario 64. And then Super Mario Galaxy pretty much gave us the most expertly designed platforming levels ever, its near perfect scores are proof of that.
And I don't think Mario is that "milked" sure they're a lot of different series involving him but they usually only get 1 game per console. So for example since 1996 there have been only four 3D Mario games, the Wii got 2 of them. Same with Mario Kart, Paper Mario and the 2D marios except for the NES which got 3.
Also keep in mind Mario is almost 30 years old now. Actually he is 30 if you count the Mario Bros arcade game as his first game instead of Super Mario Bros on NES/Famicom.
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- Feb 12, 2013 10:50 am GMTBecause he stars in games that are of a consistently high quality.
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- Feb 12, 2013 1:13 pm GMTOkay, I was hoping that this thread would die, and that I could hold my tongue, but it didn't, and I can't. Being as I'm someone who has actually been alive for every Mario release, I can say unequivocally that development of the series peaked at SMB 64. Every single game after that is Nintendo cashing in on sheep buying a product that hasn't changed in any significant way in almost 30 years. I may be a cynical asshol*, but I can't abide their business strategy. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have all been around since '85, '86, and '87 respectively (longer for Mario if you count Donkey Kong). Stop milking a franchise like it's your only form of sustenance and come up with something new. All the Mario series has brought to the table in the last decade is some graphical updates and some gimmicks. Although I've said it before, and it will be a sad day when it actually happens, Nintendo is going to go the same way as Sega in the next five years or so if they don't pull their respective heads out of their own posteriors with due haste. EDIT: @Vickman178, since his inception in Donkey Kong, Mario has been featured in almost 200 games. If you don't call that 'milking it,' I don't know what you can.
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- Feb 12, 2013 1:16 pm GMTESPM400 wrote:Okay, I was hoping that this thread would die, and that I could hold my tongue, but it didn't, and I can't. Being as I'm someone who has actually been alive for every Mario release, I can say unequivocally that development of the series peaked at SMB 64. Every single game after that is Nintendo cashing in on sheep buying a product that hasn't changed in any significant way in almost 30 years. I may be a cynical asshol*, but I can't abide their business strategy. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have all been around since '85, '86, and '87 respectively (longer for Mario if you count Donkey Kong). Stop milking a franchise like it's your only form of sustenance and come up with something new. All the Mario series has brought to the table in the last decade is some graphical updates and some gimmicks. Although I've said it before, and it will be a sad day when it actually happens, Nintendo is going to go the same way as Sega in the next five years or so if they don't pull their respective heads out of their own posteriors with due haste.
Say it ain't so?
Mario milked? Absurd. The games that really milked is COD. 
[QUOTE="ESPM400"]Okay, I was hoping that this thread would die, and that I could hold my tongue, but it didn't, and I can't. Being as I'm someone who has actually been alive for every Mario release, I can say unequivocally that development of the series peaked at SMB 64. Every single game after that is Nintendo cashing in on sheep buying a product that hasn't changed in any significant way in almost 30 years. I may be a cynical asshol*, but I can't abide their business strategy. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have all been around since '85, '86, and '87 respectively (longer for Mario if you count Donkey Kong). Stop milking a franchise like it's your only form of sustenance and come up with something new. All the Mario series has brought to the table in the last decade is some graphical updates and some gimmicks. Although I've said it before, and it will be a sad day when it actually happens, Nintendo is going to go the same way as Sega in the next five years or so if they don't pull their respective heads out of their own posteriors with due haste.[/QUOTE]
Say it ain't so? :o Mario milked? Absurd. The games that really milked is COD. :|
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- Feb 12, 2013 2:44 pm GMT
PSN, XBL & NN ID: Briguyb13 | 3DS FC: 1418-7019-4685
[QUOTE="ESPM400"]Okay, I was hoping that this thread would die, and that I could hold my tongue, but it didn't, and I can't. Being as I'm someone who has actually been alive for every Mario release, I can say unequivocally that development of the series peaked at SMB 64. Every single game after that is Nintendo cashing in on sheep buying a product that hasn't changed in any significant way in almost 30 years. I may be a cynical asshol*, but I can't abide their business strategy. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have all been around since '85, '86, and '87 respectively (longer for Mario if you count Donkey Kong). Stop milking a franchise like it's your only form of sustenance and come up with something new. All the Mario series has brought to the table in the last decade is some graphical updates and some gimmicks. Although I've said it before, and it will be a sad day when it actually happens, Nintendo is going to go the same way as Sega in the next five years or so if they don't pull their respective heads out of their own posteriors with due haste. EDIT: @Vickman178, since his inception in Donkey Kong, Mario has been featured in almost 200 games. If you don't call that 'milking it,' I don't know what you can.[/QUOTE]If you're going to use terms like "sheep", take your comments to System Wars.
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- Feb 12, 2013 4:19 pm GMTWell with mario there isn't much to hate. It is simple, but there is room for self-created challenges. The series never tries to follow what's popular at the time. For example, Dead Space 3 is getting hated on at the moment for straying towards more of a third-person action shooter (same with Dead Space 2), but Mario doesn't do this. Of course, Mario reinvents itself every now and then (Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy, etc.), but it never reinvents itself to follow the crowd. Also even when it does change things up, it still goes back to its roots and releases games that are more traditional of it. There's something for everyone with Mario which cannot be said for most games.
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- Feb 12, 2013 4:33 pm GMT
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LastFM[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]Well with mario there isn't much to hate. It is simple, but there is room for self-created challenges. The series never tries to follow what's popular at the time. For example, Dead Space 3 is getting hated on at the moment for straying towards more of a third-person action shooter (same with Dead Space 2), but Mario doesn't do this. Of course, Mario reinvents itself every now and then (Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, Mario Galaxy, etc.), but it never reinvents itself to follow the crowd. Also even when it does change things up, it still goes back to its roots and releases games that are more traditional of it. There's something for everyone with Mario which cannot be said for most games.[/QUOTE]
Reading your post made me think of how some other developers would have gone with a Mario "reboot" to make him darker and grittier (see Bomberman Act Zero). I'm glad Nintendo's never really done that.
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- Feb 12, 2013 4:36 pm GMT
The closest a Mario related game has come to being dark and gritty is Luigi's Mansion.
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- Feb 12, 2013 5:19 pm GMT
Ay, in the very temple of Delight Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine -- John Keats
We look before and after, and pine for what is not: our sincerest laughter with some pain is fraught; Our sweetest songs are those that tell of saddest thought -- Shelley
I guess the Mario games are okay but I never really got into them. But they are well made for the most part.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 12, 2013 6:06 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="ESPM400"]Okay, I was hoping that this thread would die, and that I could hold my tongue, but it didn't, and I can't. Being as I'm someone who has actually been alive for every Mario release, I can say unequivocally that development of the series peaked at SMB 64. Every single game after that is Nintendo cashing in on sheep buying a product that hasn't changed in any significant way in almost 30 years. I may be a cynical asshol*, but I can't abide their business strategy. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have all been around since '85, '86, and '87 respectively (longer for Mario if you count Donkey Kong). Stop milking a franchise like it's your only form of sustenance and come up with something new. All the Mario series has brought to the table in the last decade is some graphical updates and some gimmicks. Although I've said it before, and it will be a sad day when it actually happens, Nintendo is going to go the same way as Sega in the next five years or so if they don't pull their respective heads out of their own posteriors with due haste. EDIT: @Vickman178, since his inception in Donkey Kong, Mario has been featured in almost 200 games. If you don't call that 'milking it,' I don't know what you can.[/QUOTE]If you're going to use terms like "sheep", take your comments to System Wars.
[/QUOTE] Just because I think Nintendo's current focus is a damningly broken one and saying that those that follow said focus are wantonly throwing money at a broken train of thought, doesn't mean my comments belong in 'System Wars.' I still harbour much love for some of the Nintendo systems of yester-year. I just believe that if they keep going in their current direction, they'll end up as third party publishers (hence the Sega comment), rather then a console producer, and as I said, that would be a shame. Also, I've said it before, but how is 'damningly' in GS' forum spellcheck, yet 'internet' is not..?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 12, 2013 7:12 pm GMT
PSN, XBL & NN ID: Briguyb13 | 3DS FC: 1418-7019-4685
[QUOTE="ESPM400"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="ESPM400"]Okay, I was hoping that this thread would die, and that I could hold my tongue, but it didn't, and I can't. Being as I'm someone who has actually been alive for every Mario release, I can say unequivocally that development of the series peaked at SMB 64. Every single game after that is Nintendo cashing in on sheep buying a product that hasn't changed in any significant way in almost 30 years. I may be a cynical asshol*, but I can't abide their business strategy. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have all been around since '85, '86, and '87 respectively (longer for Mario if you count Donkey Kong). Stop milking a franchise like it's your only form of sustenance and come up with something new. All the Mario series has brought to the table in the last decade is some graphical updates and some gimmicks. Although I've said it before, and it will be a sad day when it actually happens, Nintendo is going to go the same way as Sega in the next five years or so if they don't pull their respective heads out of their own posteriors with due haste. EDIT: @Vickman178, since his inception in Donkey Kong, Mario has been featured in almost 200 games. If you don't call that 'milking it,' I don't know what you can.[/QUOTE]If you're going to use terms like "sheep", take your comments to System Wars.
[/QUOTE] Just because I think Nintendo's current focus is a damningly broken one and saying that those that follow said focus are wantonly throwing money at a broken train of thought, doesn't mean my comments belong in 'System Wars.' I still harbour much love for some of the Nintendo systems of yester-year. I just believe that if they keep going in their current direction, they'll end up as third party publishers (hence the Sega comment), rather then a console producer, and as I said, that would be a shame. Also, I've said it before, but how is 'damningly' in GS' forum spellcheck, yet 'internet' is not..?[/QUOTE]What I meant was those fanboy labels are not allowed here.
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- Feb 12, 2013 11:03 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="ESPM400"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]If you're going to use terms like "sheep", take your comments to System Wars.
[/QUOTE] Just because I think Nintendo's current focus is a damningly broken one and saying that those that follow said focus are wantonly throwing money at a broken train of thought, doesn't mean my comments belong in 'System Wars.' I still harbour much love for some of the Nintendo systems of yester-year. I just believe that if they keep going in their current direction, they'll end up as third party publishers (hence the Sega comment), rather then a console producer, and as I said, that would be a shame. Also, I've said it before, but how is 'damningly' in GS' forum spellcheck, yet 'internet' is not..?[/QUOTE]What I meant was those fanboy labels are not allowed here.
[/QUOTE] Don't even insinuate that I'm a 'fanboy,' as I'm merely pointing out Nintendo's shortcomings. I call people 'sheep' for following a trend mindlessly, not any ulterior platform hating motive... I'm more into the equal-opportunity hating. Nintendo just has my attention as of late.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 12, 2013 11:29 pm GMT
THE BEST RESIDENT EVIL SITE ON THE WEB, BIOHAZE. UP TO THE SECOND NEWS ON EVERYTHING RESIDENT EVIL. http://www.biohaze.com/
[QUOTE="ESPM400"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="ESPM400"] Just because I think Nintendo's current focus is a damningly broken one and saying that those that follow said focus are wantonly throwing money at a broken train of thought, doesn't mean my comments belong in 'System Wars.' I still harbour much love for some of the Nintendo systems of yester-year. I just believe that if they keep going in their current direction, they'll end up as third party publishers (hence the Sega comment), rather then a console producer, and as I said, that would be a shame. Also, I've said it before, but how is 'damningly' in GS' forum spellcheck, yet 'internet' is not..?[/QUOTE]What I meant was those fanboy labels are not allowed here.
[/QUOTE] Don't even insinuate that I'm a 'fanboy,' as I'm merely pointing out Nintendo's shortcomings. I call people 'sheep' for following a trend mindlessly, not any ulterior platform hating motive... I'm more into the equal-opportunity hating. Nintendo just has my attention as of late.[/QUOTE]
So people following one of the most consistantly excellent franchises in gaming history means they are mindless... yeah ok.
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- Feb 12, 2013 11:39 pm GMT
Probably due to a number of factors, including, but not limited to:
It's a casual game
It's polished
It's from Nintendo
Nostalgia
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- Feb 13, 2013 2:33 am GMT
PSN, XBL & NN ID: Briguyb13 | 3DS FC: 1418-7019-4685
[QUOTE="ESPM400"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="ESPM400"] Just because I think Nintendo's current focus is a damningly broken one and saying that those that follow said focus are wantonly throwing money at a broken train of thought, doesn't mean my comments belong in 'System Wars.' I still harbour much love for some of the Nintendo systems of yester-year. I just believe that if they keep going in their current direction, they'll end up as third party publishers (hence the Sega comment), rather then a console producer, and as I said, that would be a shame. Also, I've said it before, but how is 'damningly' in GS' forum spellcheck, yet 'internet' is not..?[/QUOTE]What I meant was those fanboy labels are not allowed here.
[/QUOTE] Don't even insinuate that I'm a 'fanboy,' as I'm merely pointing out Nintendo's shortcomings. I call people 'sheep' for following a trend mindlessly, not any ulterior platform hating motive... I'm more into the equal-opportunity hating. Nintendo just has my attention as of late.[/QUOTE]System Wars is the only place that allows talk about fanboys of a system.
Feel free to dislike a company and their policies, but refrain from calling people names based on the system/company they prefer, at least here on PGD.
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- Feb 13, 2013 2:40 am GMT[QUOTE="dvader654"]
[QUOTE="ESPM400"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]What I meant was those fanboy labels are not allowed here.
[/QUOTE] Don't even insinuate that I'm a 'fanboy,' as I'm merely pointing out Nintendo's shortcomings. I call people 'sheep' for following a trend mindlessly, not any ulterior platform hating motive... I'm more into the equal-opportunity hating. Nintendo just has my attention as of late.[/QUOTE]
So people following one of the most consistantly excellent franchises in gaming history means they are mindless... yeah ok.
[/QUOTE] Well, it's nice that you proved my point by responding to one sentence that I had out of a long comment line, as opposed to replying to the line of commenting as a whole. If you had read into my previous posts, you'd realize that I have no problem with Nintendo itself, just the direction that it has been taking over the last five-ten years with the Wii and Wii U. Also, you call it one of 'the most excellent franchises in gaming history.' Care to explain how? I'm pretty sure I can shoot down any reason. Nintendo needs to change their strategy of living off of 30 year old franchises and come up with something new, or they're going to end up as third party devs instead of console producers. EDIT:@bigboi500 I'm not trying to insult people directly, just trying to show that if there is a certain continued thought process maintained by a certain amount of the gaming public in a certain field, we're going to loose said field of gaming, which would be a shame. I was around for Sega's demise, and don't want to be here for Nintendo's.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 13, 2013 7:28 am GMT
THE BEST RESIDENT EVIL SITE ON THE WEB, BIOHAZE. UP TO THE SECOND NEWS ON EVERYTHING RESIDENT EVIL. http://www.biohaze.com/
[QUOTE="ESPM400"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ESPM400"] Don't even insinuate that I'm a 'fanboy,' as I'm merely pointing out Nintendo's shortcomings. I call people 'sheep' for following a trend mindlessly, not any ulterior platform hating motive... I'm more into the equal-opportunity hating. Nintendo just has my attention as of late.[/QUOTE]
So people following one of the most consistantly excellent franchises in gaming history means they are mindless... yeah ok.
[/QUOTE] Well, it's nice that you proved my point by responding to one sentence that I had out of a long comment line, as opposed to replying to the line of commenting as a whole. If you had read into my previous posts, you'd realize that I have no problem with Nintendo itself, just the direction that it has been taking over the last five-ten years with the Wii and Wii U. Also, you call it one of 'the most excellent franchises in gaming history.' Care to explain how? I'm pretty sure I can shoot down any reason. Nintendo needs to change their strategy of living off of 30 year old franchises and come up with something new, or they're going to end up as third party devs instead of console producers. EDIT:@bigboi500 I'm not trying to insult people directly, just trying to show that if there is a certain continued thought process maintained by a certain amount of the gaming public in a certain field, we're going to loose said field of gaming, which would be a shame. I was around for Sega's demise, and don't want to be here for Nintendo's.[/QUOTE] You are going to shoot down the reasons why Mario games are considered excellent, who made you the deciding opinion on what games are considered excellent. Are you going to pretend the Galaxy games aren't considered some of the greatest games this gen. You don't have to like them but the are clearly fantastic games which is why people play them and want more. Your point that nintendo's business decisions are wrong is valid, they have done plenty wrong. Making excellent games is not one of those problems.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 13, 2013 8:27 am GMT[QUOTE="ESPM400"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
[QUOTE="ESPM400"] Just because I think Nintendo's current focus is a damningly broken one and saying that those that follow said focus are wantonly throwing money at a broken train of thought, doesn't mean my comments belong in 'System Wars.' I still harbour much love for some of the Nintendo systems of yester-year. I just believe that if they keep going in their current direction, they'll end up as third party publishers (hence the Sega comment), rather then a console producer, and as I said, that would be a shame. Also, I've said it before, but how is 'damningly' in GS' forum spellcheck, yet 'internet' is not..?[/QUOTE]What I meant was those fanboy labels are not allowed here.
[/QUOTE] Don't even insinuate that I'm a 'fanboy,' as I'm merely pointing out Nintendo's shortcomings. I call people 'sheep' for following a trend mindlessly, not any ulterior platform hating motive... I'm more into the equal-opportunity hating. Nintendo just has my attention as of late.[/QUOTE] He's not insinuating that you're a fanboy. He's just saying you cannot call others names that are derogatory system war terms in the general discussion board.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
