When I look back at the manifesto, lol

Nofoundation posted...

You can't really believe any game that's sold months before its release is made for passion. B2P beta isn't a sign of passion

If they lacked passion it would be releases by now, the sylvari would never been redesigned, content redone and the game would be B2P, have a subscription and have microtransactions.... /gives a cookie to anyone who gets the reference.
Nice to see passionate trolls though, here have a cookie it's not baked with troll poison i swear =p.

damaddok posted...

No you make any game out of passion because you know, you want to share what you imagine with others. When copies start to sell is as irrelevant to the motivation of the developer, as...well most stuff you post.


In any case, this topic is filled to the brim with fail, so disregard this post as it will just be filler until the thread autolocks.

While i understand alot of games are made out of passion lately there are way more that feel like they were made just to cash in, so ummm Pa$$ion?. Can anyone really say that something like Dragon Age 2 was made out of passion? While Something like The Witcher 2 gives the impression that they love their game and fans (No DRM, free content updates to content months down the line). The fact is if the passion isn't there the gamers can feel the difference. (being forced to preorder to get permanent content like day 1 dlc. Then theres the day 2 DLC and week later DLC and again 1 month later DLC, think saints row 3 and games that have different preorder packs from 3 different places).

I guess in a way i could also say is some games are made by developers with passion and when they get released the Publisher initiates Pa$$ion/Snatch and grab mode (firing staff sometimes resulting in lack of patches to fix bugs, as well as other stuff i suppose).

I personally felt the difference when playing GW2, alot of thing that didn't need to be done but make a huge difference once implemented. In theory if you've never experiences passion (lust does not count) maybe you cant pick up on others passion, idk.

Nofoundation posted...

cddumdodo posted...

If they lacked passion it would be releases by now, the sylvari would never been redesigned, content redone and the game would be B2P, have a subscription and have microtransactions.... /gives a cookie to anyone who gets the reference.
Nice to see passionate trolls though, here have a cookie it's not baked with troll poison i swear =p.

A) If they released the game now it would have embarrassingly low sales numbers because everybody is playing Diablo 3. At least, 6.3 million people are playing Diablo 3. This game will be lucky to sell a third of that the first month. (Don't try using GW1 numbers, they counted each recent sale as 4 basically because of expansions. Besides, all those GW1 sales don't equal players, the game is dead)

B) Sylvari were redesigned because they looked bad before, but obviously not bad enough. They look like salads now, but this point is completely subjective.

C) Handing out cookies is woman's work

D) You can fool yourself into thinking this is a passion project, it's not. Some people may be passionate about the project, but the goal is money making. They must be passionate about that cash shop too, and dress up, and mystic keys, and karma scrolls

A) I've never said this game would out do WoW or diablo 3 with all those happy customers blizz has /sarcasm.
Guild wars 1 has little resemblance to GW2 (they only share history eg lore, races and location names, since its the same world, different time frame).

B) the Sylvari look like plants now not elves with fungus growing on their heads XD.

C) Now your jumping to sexism.... how classy of you.

D)Cash shop is optional and usuable by anyone who doesn't pay with their real world money. Dress ups are optional and maybe tailors can make stuffs like that for people to wear. Mystic Keys can be collected (though rare ingame and gems can be bought with ingame currency eg,Silver, Gold, Platinum). the karma boosts are also optional and dont make a huge difference if you are the average game or the gamer who's glued to their screen (it may be something some who works alot may want).

Nofoundation posted...

It's irrelevant how you feel about Blizzard, the point is launching GW2 now would be suicide. Quality has nothing to do with it, the fact is a lot of people are playing D3 and wouldn't make time for GW2.

I've already said this a couple times on this board, but Arena Net messed up not launching earlier. Sales would have been highest before MoP and Diablo 3. As it stands they have a good chance of launching in between the two which isn't ideal for any PC game.

Oh yea, and their manifesto is still bad. It's the kind of "passion propaganda" that sucks people in all the way up until they play the game.

prop·a·gan·da
Noun:
Information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
The dissemination of such information as a political strategy.
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.

.... The manifesto was to show people what they were working on, I don't see how it has anything to do with propaganda.
And arenanet messed up not releasing GW2 earlier? Ummm the game isn't even done yet lol. And haven't some players already said they were turned off WoW because of the panda express expansion?
Fine fine, the dragon mount is kinda cool but it's still WoW. Those who are burnt out from it may not even return (I for 1 never will again)