Kingdom Hearts Trivia until it dies.

You know the drill... questions about any of the seven games are welcome.

I'll start off with a KH2 question, semi-hard.

So you know how in KH2 at some stages in the game, certain rooms become "Drive-free" until you progress, meaning Donald and Goofy don't follow you, instead they walk independently like NPCs and have a "Talk" command available. Also, entering this rooms while in Drive form reverts you and gives you a full Drive gauge (awesome trick to take advantage of).

Now, my question. We all know that the Altar of Nought (last room before the point of no return) is PERMANENTLY like this, making it easy to level up Final Form in the adjacent room (and Valor too).

But there is another room somewhere in the game that's also permanently like that, even after the Journal is completed. Where is it?

Nope. That room becomes a big white skateboarding space like the Audience Chamber.

Jak13 posted...

It took me a minute to remember this one, but it's the deck of the Black Pearl in Port Royal.

Curse me for forgetting that. I actually was looking for another answer (though I'm not 100% sure the deck is like this but now that I think of it, it is), I'll give it to you.

BTW, the answer I was looking for was Space Paranoids on the Solar Sailer, if you enter it from "Simulation Hangar" (if you enter from the Mesa it's not like that). Also it's the best place in the game to level forms, because departing from there also triggers battles always that you don't have to zone out to respawn.

Anyway, your go Jak.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the deck definitely has to be like that, because Jack has a talk icon to move the ship and that's impossible unless the room is like that.

SugarBoogers posted...

Zak6009 posted...

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the deck definitely has to be like that, because Jack has a talk icon to move the ship and that's impossible unless the room is like that.

Not necessarily. The Royal Chamber in the Land of Dragons is also a momentary Drive-free room that turns normal when the world is finished, but while Donald and Goofy will follow you can still talk to the Emperor and Mulan.

The Emperor, yes (and probably Shang too), but not Mulan. She is permanently a party member at the expense of ever talking to her again. Same with all the other Disney/world ally characters sans Tron and Jack Sparrow and Riku. They are the same status as Donald and Goofy in their respective worlds... if one of them gets a talk icon, they all will. Unless, of course, the story prevents them from being in the party (or they have yet to get that status). Like when you have to "talk to Auron".
In KH1, after the worlds are cleared, a couple Disney party characters (I think Ariel and Jack) appear in Ariel's Grotto and Finklestein's Lab respectively and you can talk to them and they offer to join your party and you can say no (in which case they have other random alternating dialogue, occasionally asking again to join).
But in KH2, the characters Mulan, Beast, Auron, Jack Skellington, Aladdin and Simba are all lost forever in terms of conversation, once you clear the Journal.

Anyway... next question anyone? Jak?

Bizzump

-100 Acre Wood (in both, which I assume is the "debateable counting" one)
-Monstro
-Pride Lands second visit (is this the "half"?)
-KH2 Atlantica
-KH1 Olympus? (I know KH2 Olympus is NOT skippable the first time since you have to beat Hydra to make Disney Castle appear, I think the second visit might be though. But I know as far as that "ring", Wonderland is NOT skippable since there is a Navi-G there)

That would leave one (or two) more? Um... are KH1 Atlantica and Halloween Town skippable? Neither has a Navi-G and they are also on opposite sides of a "ring" leading to Neverland which you DO need to do (Navi-G). But between Atlantica and Halloween Town, you obviously have to do one of the two, but can you do either and skip either?
Plus, it would satisfy Atlantica as the other "debateable counting" one since its an answer for both like 100 Acre Wood. Ultimately that would add up to 5 and a half (or 7 and a half).

I should add though, I think the second Space Paranoids (turning HB to "Radiant Garden" is also skippable. I just replayed KH2 and Assault of the Dreadnought appeared after I beat Agrabah and Halloween Town.

I think the second Coliseum visit is also skippable, actually.

As I said, I just replayed KH2... so for one, once the second visits start, you have the option between Land of Dragons, Beast's Castle, or Port Royal. Port Royal is already open, and Disney Castle doesn't have a second visit, meaning that doing the Coliseum won't bring you closer to unlocking Assault of the Dreadnought.

Plus, oddly, the Journal does not prompt you to go to the Coliseum. By that I mean usually when a "second visit" opens up, you get a little update in the Story section saying something like "things should have been back to normal in [world]..." and the Journal instruction saying "Onward to [world]!".
For the Coliseum, the Journal is just as you left it, still saying "Take part in the tournament" as it did when you opened the Underdrome. The only indication to go there is out of curiousity, really, and the fact that it's a higher battle level (unlike Disney Castle) and that when you try to land there, rather than get a list of places to land, you get the "Land in Olympus Coliseum..." option, implying more story.

The only possible way the Coliseum wouldn't be skippable is if the unlocking Twilight Town was based on quantity of worlds completed counting the Coliseum... in which case it could count Space Paranoids instead maybe?
Also, how is it not possible to skip both Monstro and Atlantica? What if you go from Agrabah to Halloween Town and then to Neverland?


Anyway, my question. Follow up from my last one, at what instance in KH1 do Donald and Goofy get a Talk command option rather than follow you?

Pretty sure there's only one... I just played KH1 as well and made a point to talk to every NPC at every possible point. If you happen to think of something that happens to be another one that wasn't what I was looking for, the question is yours, but I'll also definitely know if it's wrong.
Plus, pretty sure another instance than the one I'm looking for doesn't exist.

So... when/where is it?

Fippe94 posted...

I admit I didn't try skipping everything myself I just assumed that Coliseum wasn't skippable, but I might be wrong.

And as for the three worlds in KH1, I found an old topic where a few different persons claimed that Neverland opens up as soon as you finish 2 of the three worlds I mentioned. The fact might be wrong of course, since I haven't tried it personally.

Well, Neverland is adjacent to Halloween Town, and clearing Halloween Town would have to extend its route to something, no?

Well, anyway.... on with my question above.