Extreme Challenges

Assaisin Emblem Requirements:
50 knife kills or knife stuns
50 CQC holds
Less than 25 times discovered.

This means it is completely compatable with BBE, except that the Assasins Emblem is very time consuming and requires extreme caution. That means in order to accomplish the goal of obtaining them both, you have to be incredibly strategic, on top of having REALLY fast strategies for every other part. The best way would probably to CQC slam for a KO, and then stun him.
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DemonReacher posted...

I can get BBE around 3 hours, so all I would do is just stun one guy and wake him up, hold up and then stun knife until the requirement is done, then just get BBE. Was a decent idea though, but im not really interested in an overall run for the game now, more area specific, stuff like protecting the tank to the end in Act 1 and keeping those 2 militia alive in the red zone.

To be fair, you mentioned whole run ideas are welcome. Getting through Act 4 without chaff grenades would be a worthy challenge, especially in the old boiler room, where dwarf gekko are guarding the elevator. Trying to defeat a high number of gekko at the very beginning of Act 1 would be a nice challenge, too. It is also quite doable. Try to see how many you can take down without using a ration or dying. In act three, maybe a good one would be to follow the Rebel to Eva in one go without being spotted, OR shooting or touching a single guard. Getting through Advent Palace using only fists, sleep gas mines, and sleep gas satchels would be a decent challenge for most. i dunno, I'll try and think of some good area specific challenges, it's a fun topic! Maybe a fun one for any area its doable in, would be to try and make traps to lure each enemy in a patrol into. For example, set a claymore, and use distractions to lure the enemy to a nasty suprise until each one is eliminated.
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guythesamurai posted...

Huh...always thought it required kills...also i'm fairly certain that CQC slams don't count as holds though i could be wrong as i never bothered to extensively test it

You COULD hold, then slam. I do believe regular slams do count though, my statistic seemed awfully much higher than the # of actual holds I executed. I just got the Assasins Emblem, so I am certain I am largely correct in all aspects regarding it.
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DemonReacher posted...

Ok forget the whole EXTREME part, I know I said full playthrough runs are allowed so keep them coming if you want, but im more interested in area specific challenges. Next time you play the game try think up something while you are playing or just experiment with it.

Did you read my area-specific challenges? Anyway, here are a few. These are for Extreme difficulty specifically.

-Act 1- try taking down 10 or more gekkos in the very beginning of the game, while using no health items.

-Act1/2/3- try luring enemies into claymores in a patrol area, using distractions such as empty clips, shooting walls, knocking...etc., until all patrols are cleared

-Act 4- try making it through Act 4 without using chaff grenades, and without triggering an alert.

-Act 1/2/3- try clearing an entire patrol zone, with only CQC

-Act 4- boss fight* Try clearing an entire wave of Frogs, and then Crying Wolf, in under 3 minutes, without triggering an alert.

-Act 3- Try to make it through the entire Bike Chase in one go, without the Solar Gun, without registering a kill. (Yes it's doable!)

-Act 2- Defeat the Beast form of Laughing Octopus using only your knife

-Act 2- (after crossing the river) Use your solid eye to lure the FROGS to your position, and take them out before they see you. No Haven Camo allowed. Preset Camo's only

-Act 1/2/3- Clear an entire patrol, in any patrol zone, using only the barrel, without vomiting, and triggering no alerts.

-Act 5- get to the 1st door you go through, using only smoke grenades.

These are just some of my ideas for area specific challenges...I may try to come up with more later.
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DemonReacher posted...

Ace10of27Spades posted...

DemonReacher posted...

Ok forget the whole EXTREME part, I know I said full playthrough runs are allowed so keep them coming if you want, but im more interested in area specific challenges. Next time you play the game try think up something while you are playing or just experiment with it.

Did you read my area-specific challenges? Anyway, here are a few. These are for Extreme difficulty specifically.

-Act 1- try taking down 10 or more gekkos in the very beginning of the game, while using no health items.

-Act1/2/3- try luring enemies into claymores in a patrol area, using distractions such as empty clips, shooting walls, knocking...etc., until all patrols are cleared

-Act 4- try making it through Act 4 without using chaff grenades, and without triggering an alert.

-Act 1/2/3- try clearing an entire patrol zone, with only CQC

-Act 4- boss fight* Try clearing an entire wave of Frogs, and then Crying Wolf, in under 3 minutes, without triggering an alert.

-Act 3- Try to make it through the entire Bike Chase in one go, without the Solar Gun, without registering a kill. (Yes it's doable!)

-Act 2- Defeat the Beast form of Laughing Octopus using only your knife

-Act 2- (after crossing the river) Use your solid eye to lure the FROGS to your position, and take them out before they see you. No Haven Camo allowed. Preset Camo's only

-Act 1/2/3- Clear an entire patrol, in any patrol zone, using only the barrel, without vomiting, and triggering no alerts.

-Act 5- get to the 1st door you go through, using only smoke grenades.

These are just some of my ideas for area specific challenges...I may try to come up with more later.

Those sound pretty interesting, you got any for a specific area, not an act? I have a video out there of me destroying a bunch of gekko on act1, its pretty fun. I have also seen zeixpie I think defeat Octopus with the knife only, was cool to watch.

Also to expand on your trap idea here is my idea. You must wipe out all guards in a stage using traps without using any traps in between kills. That is, you gotta plant all traps first before you start killing and without being seen. Then you just gotta sit back and detonate or watch thme walk into the traps. If reinforcements come you also gotta plan for that too.

Looks like a good improvement to the challenge. I wasn't area specific in some parts because I believed they would be easy to figure out, based on the challenges. It's off topic, but since you make youtube vids, I have been wanting to learn how for a long time. I have been wanting to make video walkthroughs of MGS 3, and MGS 4. My idea is to do foxhound/bbe runs in thier respective games, showing both, the safest strategies, and then speedrunner strategies. It would be fun, I think, to do. And what isa capture card? I have never heard of this stuff...no idea.
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@ guy, tho you say it's not possible to clear an area with the barrel without vomiting...I can assure you that it is very doable. I actually used the barrel extensively in my 2:37 BBE run. You will need to obviosly take breaks between rolling, and roll up fast from behind them. I used this with much humour in Millenium Park, among other places. It works! Knocks them clean out. And why do you need to eliminate frogs during Crying Wolf? You say you do it every BBE run...makes me think you aren't seeing the much easier possibilities...or you just find it fun, I understand that, too. Taking out L.O. can be pretty easy with the knife, she has the tendency to become very predictable...when she is almost depleted of life or energy, THATS when it gets pretty hard to do. Also, even though many of these challenges seem easy for some of us more seasoned MGS 4 fans, they will still likely be difficult for newer people attempting them. Those of us who know the game really well, will usually find most challenges to be a little more simple. One challenge that is awesome above all I have seen, is the ghost running, that takes some brains, patience, and skill!
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