Kyrie Irving is just nasty
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- Feb 10, 2013 5:32 pm GMTI think Carmelo Anthony is great, but I don't say he's elite. The only elite players imo right now are LeBron, Durant, and Paul. Everyone else is a good ways behind (Melo is probably 4)
- Feb 10, 2013 5:33 pm GMTBigtymer113 posted...
You and half of the people in this topic literally know nothing about basketball.
Kobe Bryant - The greatest laker of all time - said himself that Melo was the hardest player to guard. Over Durant. Over Lebron. Over Dirk. Over any player in the NBA.
Kobe is also the type of guy to use statements to dig at his rivals, so I take most of what he says with a grain of salt. Read about what he said to Westbrook during team USA practices.
Anyway.... Teams need balance so directly swapping Melo for Irving would hurt both teams. Their efficiency ratings are 24.23 and 23.09, while that is statistically significant its not that great a difference. Swapping in Melo for Irving will not fix the other players on the Cavs roster thus it won't skyrocket that team anywhere.
Melo is a monster on offense, I think everyone knows it and agrees. The guy is a star player, but he is not LeBron, Durant or even Chris Paul. He doesn't hustle as hard as those players, he isn't the leader that those players are, and he isn't as good a defender. Although he might have the talent to be on the level of those players, he has not shown it consistently. This season is actually an anomaly in his career history, the best he has ever played by a significant margin.
whodeynotdat posted...I'm not sure what wade comes in at but that's who waiters has been compared to. The only similarities I've seen is they both finish well and both can be unstoppable. Waiters has caught on fire a couple times and you literally can't defend him. If he fixes his mid range shot which wade is good at then the skies the limit. Problem is, i don't know if he can. His mid range game is off more than its on yet he continually takes 18 footers. It's so frustrating but his good games help relieve the frustrations a bit.
Wade and Waiters are listed at the same height, although Wade has freakishly long arms. I can't see Waiters being being on Wade's level but I can see him becoming a more defensive version of Marcus Thornton.
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If you like big men, it would be Wilt Chamberlain. Or if you're racist you're gonna pick Larry Bird - Horry - Feb 10, 2013 6:00 pm GMTKobe is also the type of guy to use statements to dig at his rivals, so I take most of what he says with a grain of salt. Read about what he said to Westbrook during team USA practices.
I don't. In either the same or earlier interview he said that him and Carmelo are good friends and Melo is the guy he gets along most with on team USA. Carmelo is strong and can create a shot for himself better than pretty much anyone in the league - maybe even better than Kobe right now.
Anyway.... Teams need balance so directly swapping Melo for Irving would hurt both teams. Their efficiency ratings are 24.23 and 23.09, while that is statistically significant its not that great a difference. Swapping in Melo for Irving will not fix the other players on the Cavs roster thus it won't skyrocket that team anywhere.
Where did you get those efficiency ratings? I checked NBA.com literally right before I made that post. And agreed it would hurt both teams.
Melo is a monster on offense, I think everyone knows it and agrees. The guy is a star player, but he is not LeBron, Durant or even Chris Paul. He doesn't hustle as hard as those players, he isn't the leader that those players are, and he isn't as good a defender. Although he might have the talent to be on the level of those players, he has not shown it consistently. This season is actually an anomaly in his career history, the best he has ever played by a significant margin.
You are underrating him too much IMO. His defense has never been a problem, and Durant isn't that great of a leader either. He is a leader through his gameplay and while that is fine, he isn't vocal enough like Kobe or Paul to be considered a great leader IMO.
Melo's only job is to score, and he does it just as good as everyone in the league. He may not be a better player than Lebron or Durant, but he is a superstar.
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- Feb 10, 2013 6:15 pm GMTOnly if you define superstar as someone who is one of the best at doing one thing. In which case, Nikola Vucevic is a superstar because there might not be a better rebounder in the league right now
- Feb 10, 2013 7:11 pm GMTBasketball reference is where I looked up the ratings, honestly you can look up almost anything on that site. They will probably change again tonight since they are weighted based on all players in the league.
Melo's defense has been a problem in the past. George Karl said that Melo was a poor defender based on effort at that end. That is not true this year as Melo caught the Tyson Chandler bug, but was true in years past.
Durant is lucky enough to have Westbrook on his team, so Durant can play good cop while Westbrook goes ballistic on teammates. They blend together very nicely. Melo has never had a player on his team of great talent that was vocal, nor was he a leader in the way CP3, Duncan or LeBron. Much like Kobe, Melo is learning to be a leader instead of only playing great. The more leadership he assumes, the better the Knicks will be.
When Melo wants to be he is not only a great offensive player but a solid rebounder and defensive player. When he is taking 3s and driving to the basket he is the best offensive player in the league. If he does this every year and develops into a great leader he could win the Knicks a title. He is a superstar.
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If you like big men, it would be Wilt Chamberlain. Or if you're racist you're gonna pick Larry Bird - Horry - Feb 10, 2013 8:13 pm GMTFrom: RyDiggity | #120
Melo is so over hated on. Drafted 3rd overall and if I'm not mistaken took them to the playoffs every year. Goes to another NON PLAYOFF TEAM in NY and they are now a playoff team.
The offseason that they drafted Melo, the Nuggets had a lot of other improvements/players getting healthy that also contributed heavily to their massive improvement his first season. He has always made the playoffs, but he's always had teams that SHOULD make the playoffs. And he was flat out bad in 4 of his first 5 playoff series. One of the main knocks on him as far as being an elite player is concerned is that for all his talent, he's simply not a great leader. Outside of their WCF trip in '09 (when Billups came in to provide leadership), his teams' combined postseason record is 7-31.
And the Knicks were already on their way to the playoffs when they traded for him. In fact, their record was better BEFORE the trade.I don't know what criteria you could use to show me Carmelo isn't an elite player over the span of his 10 year NBA career so far.
Because up until this year, he's been nothing more than a very good scorer and a good rebounder for a SF. His defense and ability to create plays for others was always mediocre at best. He didn't show good leadership. And his scoring was overrated. Elite territory, yes, but other than aesthetics there has been very little to support any argument for him being the best scorer in the game.
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Everyone knows that Hakeem would have had 3 rings if Karl Malone hadn't set an illegal screen in the 1997 Western Conference Finals. - Feb 10, 2013 8:16 pm GMTTo sum it up: Prior to this season, Carmelo has been a superstar talent with merely an All-Star impact because of his shortcomings and play style. This season, though, he does seem to have finally taken the next step, improving his defense and effort on that end and playing in better flow with the offense. He's still a definite step below Durant and especially LeBron, but he's in the argument for best of the rest.
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Everyone knows that Hakeem would have had 3 rings if Karl Malone hadn't set an illegal screen in the 1997 Western Conference Finals. - Feb 10, 2013 8:34 pm GMTMizznox posted...
To sum it up: Prior to this season, Carmelo has been a superstar talent with merely an All-Star impact because of his shortcomings and play style. This season, though, he does seem to have finally taken the next step, improving his defense and effort on that end and playing in better flow with the offense. He's still a definite step below Durant and especially LeBron, but he's in the argument for best of the rest.
You don't have Chris Paul in there with Durant and LBJ?
It's not like anyone is saying that Melo is bad, or isn't even one of the best players in the league. But you're lying to yourself if you think he can single handedly take a team to the next level like a true superstar
Who's on you're superstar list BigTymer because it seems you're being way more generous with the superstar tag then most.
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"It's the stronger that make the weaker"- Milliardo Peacecraft - Feb 10, 2013 8:45 pm GMTI do think Paul is easily a top 3 most impactful player in the league and I definitely have him #3 over Melo, but as far as like MVP talks go, the missed games and playing 5-6 fewer minutes per game than the others brings him a lot closer to Melo than Durant on the list, IMO.
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Everyone knows that Hakeem would have had 3 rings if Karl Malone hadn't set an illegal screen in the 1997 Western Conference Finals. - Feb 10, 2013 9:00 pm GMTMizznox posted...
I do think Paul is easily a top 3 most impactful player in the league and I definitely have him #3 over Melo, but as far as like MVP talks go, the missed games and playing 5-6 fewer minutes per game than the others brings him a lot closer to Melo than Durant on the list, IMO.
Yeah I hear you. On one side him not being there showed just how bad the Clippers need him, but on the other side its pretty obvious the impact Durant and LBJ have on their teams
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"It's the stronger that make the weaker"- Milliardo Peacecraft - Feb 10, 2013 9:08 pm GMTWell, it did and it didn't. Don't forget that before this recent stretch, he missed 3 straight games and the Clippers won them all. All 3 on the road, beating Houston and destroying Memphis. And while they were just 3-6 in his more recent missed games, 7 of those 9 games were also on the road with 3 being the second nights of back-to-backs.
That said, of course they're a much worse team without him in the long run, and despite how awesome their bench has been this year (and in particular Bledsoe being an absolute stud defensively with developing offensive skills) his offensive impact has still been amazing.
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Everyone knows that Hakeem would have had 3 rings if Karl Malone hadn't set an illegal screen in the 1997 Western Conference Finals. - Feb 10, 2013 9:58 pm GMTWho's on you're superstar list BigTymer because it seems you're being way more generous with the superstar tag then most.
Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Paul, Melo.
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- Feb 11, 2013 2:41 am GMTMizznox posted...
Well, it did and it didn't.
I understand where you are coming from.
The Clippers recent run of bad games was not just about Paul being out. Other major contributors were also nursing injuries. Jamal broke his nose, Blake pulled his hamstring, Barnes tried to break his hand. Combine all those things with the rough "Grammy" road trip schedule and its easy to see why dropped a few games.
Bigtymer113 posted...Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Paul, Melo.
Kobe but not Dwight? No Tim Duncan? No Westbrook? No Wade?
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If you like big men, it would be Wilt Chamberlain. Or if you're racist you're gonna pick Larry Bird - Horry - Feb 11, 2013 10:32 am GMTI honestly think for Melo to reach true elite status he needs o pass more, and maybe rebound more. Take less shots. Honestly, be less of a ball hog. Kobe is really the only guy who can make ball-hogging work.
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My rule in life is simple, Power is only for ones who can control it. I'm a leader! http://www.scribd.com/doc/114319899/Untitled - Feb 13, 2013 6:26 pm GMTTony is taking it to Kyrie Irving. Still got a ways to go young fella
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"It's the stronger that make the weaker"- Milliardo Peacecraft - Feb 17, 2013 11:21 pm GMTMy boy is well on his way.
Relatively dominated the Rookie-Sophmore Game
Got into a zone at will to win the three point contest (2 points away from the record, and easily the highest score of the night)
Was as exciting as Wade, LBJ, Melo etc would let him be at the All-Star Game.
Kyrie is well on his way to the HOF lol
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"It's the stronger that make the weaker"- Milliardo Peacecraft
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