Microsoft came out with their "8 million sold in 60 days" announcement, which has also been shown to be "shipped" units just like Sony's announcement was; (to be fair to both companies people are being idiots and "shipped to a retailer" is the same as "sold" for their companies), but anyway it is weird i did not see any of the backlash against Microsoft for their statement when just looking at this article people really took Sony to task for it? Really weird. Double standards much?
[UPDATE] Sony announces new global shipment statistics for LED-capped wand central to motion-sensing system that debuted in September.
Just one day after Microsoft announced it had sold 2.5 million Kinect units in 25 days, Sony has fired back, announcing new sales figures for its motion-control technology, the PlayStation Move.
Since debuting in mid-September in North America and Europe, and in October in Japan, the PlayStation Move controller has sold over 4.1 million units worldwide. Sony did not announce sales numbers for other Move system components, such as the PlayStation Eye or navigation controller.
[UPDATE] Sony has since clarified its initial announcement, saying that the 4.1 million figure represents "global sales for the company" to retailers--i.e. units shipped. "While we don't disclose our exact sell-through number, the key is that our retailers continue to ask for more Move units and are taking every unit we can supply them with based on their sales," a rep told GameSpot.
The PlayStation Move launched in Europe on September 15, North America on September 17, and in Japan on October 21. The system consists of the LED-capped wand controller and the PlayStation Eye camera, and it is available in a variety of configurations. Controllers are sold on their own for $50, bundled with the PlayStation Eye camera and minigames compilation Sports Champions for $100, or with all that and a 320GB PlayStation 3 for $400.
Although games like Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest and Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11 sell for full price, a line of first-party PlayStation Move-specific games sells for just $40 each. There are currently 24 Move-compatible games on the market, with another 16 planned to ship by March 31.
Looking ahead, two of Sony's flagship franchises' latest installments--Killzone 3 and Little Big Planet 2--will ship with PlayStation Move support.
PlayStation Move Controller is hard to find now, sold out at Best Buy, Target, Walmart, found on Amozon for 20 dollar over retail. Good luck
@Tennies07 Its what happens with this generation of controllers that determines how their manufacturers will be seen and how the tech progresses. Most likely we'll see Sony and especially Nintendo challenge the Kinect within the next two years. Depends on how things go now I suppose. And the launch library for both Move and Kinect are kinda weak. To be honest I'm still waiting to see which one gets to push my buttons. :D
@Heckla I agree with you that the Kinect could come out with move like controllers, but the Move could also upgrade the PS Eye to do what the Kinect does. By no means am I saying they will because that would most likely upset people if they had to go buy a new and most likely more expensive Eye, but I think the possibility is there. Anyways is it just me or does it seem like the number for games for the Move is extremely light right now?
Killzone 3 will have Move support. You've got to be joking, it didn't work properly with the normal controller.
@TheBlackSlowAsMolasses Why do you refer to your post that never made it on to the site and then make a judgement for all to see? Tell you what. Restate your opinions without the denigrating epithets towards others. Go on. That way I can sit back and let others laugh as well. Was that parsed in understandable enough English for you? Or should I use smaller words next time? P.S. I don't want to sound like a MS fanboy but there's nothing stopping Microsoft from releasing Move-like controllers that work with the Kinect. So at least it has that option. What would be next for the Move?
Got the Wii and Playstation 3 dont think im going to invest in move for now the games looks shabby right now..
@jb9776; @TheArcade, It's been a long time, but I worked in management at a video game retailer during college. From what I remember, unsold games were not sent back to the publisher. The store would usually mark the price down to clear the inventory. However, if a publisher lowered the MSRP for one of its games, the publisher would give the retailer credit good for future orders. Again, college was a long time ago, and my memory might be fuzzy. That's what I remember, though.
I think they should give press the gear in sh1te boxes and give customers (who pay for gear) the items in the nice shiny box. Might get more sales.
Well marketing is kind of bad they haven't done much to get the Move name out their but I wonder how much they spent on ads. MS supposedly spent $500 mil, I bet Sony didn't even spend half as much and it seems they're selling quite well
@eastwoodmaniac I didn't say the move had no hardcore games, as it actually has more than the kinect. The problem is the MARKETING IS BAD! Re5 or mag isn't being advertised as use with it. You can't market a hardcore commercial with time crisis being your only game.
Why does everyone think Kinect is so good. I mean besides dancing, racing and any other game that an AI can controll your camera and moving forward. Kinect is useless shooters, rpgs, some fighting games and all other games you actually need a controll. You cant sit down while using kinect. The PS move has perfected the wii mote and has a great future. I wish I could say the same for kinect
@buying1999 Just like Heckal, you didn't get it on the first try so it's game over. Not going to bother re-typing the post. It just went over your head I suppose. Too much Kinect?
@Heckla Just because you didn't speak English, I can't respond. You make zero sense, you didn't get my point, and you decided you'd come here, be "cool", and bash me. Good attempt, but not quite.
The guy that said the PSEye does not have a mic obviously does not have one. It does have a mic & I play online game with it all the time.
Extremely accurate and comfortable controller. Not worth the purchase right now though because there isn't enough beef in the library to support it. Heavy Rain is interesting with the control scheme, but it is kind of wonky at the same time. Some of the motions are great and natural, but others are just way off in terms of mimicking actions. MAG takes some getting used to (want to try it with the battle rifle attachment, personally), but it is highly accurate for aiming while kind of a pain for turning. Champions use of the two controller for gladiator combat is fun, but it also demonstrates that following through with a strike after your hit has been blocked hurts the immersion a good deal. Still, cracking knee caps with a hammer is fun. @blackface, Move is what the Wii should have been in terms of control. I got that fuggin' wii motion plus and other than Wii sports resort and Red Steel, nobody shows it any love. When you compare the table tennis for WSR and SC for the PS3, it is glaringly obvious how superior the Move is over the Wiimote.
@grasshopper6 kinect copied PS2 eye toy ************************************************************* Hhhmm.. no. PS2 eye toy doesn't have 3 cameras or voice recognition. It doesn't even have a mic. It also doesn't move. That's like saying the manufacturers of the Yugo copied the Ferrari. lol!! It's not even in the same league. They both are drivable, but that's where the similarities end. =========================================== @LordRaymond Still need to buy this amazing piece of hardware. ************************************************************ You could have bought it 4 years ago when it was called the Wii. lol!! Besides the HD graphics and exclusive games, there's really no difference. The accuracy is pretty much the same. If there is any difference, it's so minor that it doesn't even matter. ========================================= @Rsoub move is much better then kinect kinect is for kids like WII **************************************************** That's like saying Disney World is for kids and adult won't enjoy themselves when they go there. lol!! The Move is more simialr to the Wii, so that would be more for kids then Kinect.
I planning on picking up the $100 dollar bundle eventually, probably after Christmas, if just for time crisis. And people need to relax because it may be rip off, but isn't that just a form of flattery?
wow the ps3 fans get so upset, maybe because ps3 plays cross platform games poorly. good job sony make a console so innovative that game developers don't spend time coding correctly.
@coylenintendo What excuse have you heard before? That Move was in development prior to the Wiimote? That's not an excuse, that's a fact. So unless you have a way of of violating cause and effect your accusations of theft are bogus. Plus, the big coloured ball on the end is more than just for show you realise?
@coylenintendo Quit your moaning. Nintendo is innovative with ideas and Sony with technology. Microsoft neither to be honest.
and move copied wii and sony continues to use the most uncreative names ever, and controller for that matter.
Great. So both the Move and Kinect have good numbers ... that prove they actually need to make some software. General lols @ any comments regarding actual statistics. Unless it's actual UPCs/units sold, laughing at the edit wars on Wikipedia on if things are "reliable sources" or "neutral statements" is good fun.
The Move is still more precise than allows for more interactivity that is why I bought it. I'm still waiting for the good games though......
@eastwoodmaniac I've heard that excuse plenty of times. I'm a 360 player but I give congratulations to Nintendo on getting that motion controller out first. the only thing Sony did more with theirs was stick a big colored ball on the end of the controller. it was probably their plan all along to release it later so they could make more money. not a bad idea but it still makes them look bad.
@im-a-roustabout I understand that but I'm not a fanboy of any system. I owned a PS1 and N64 as a kid. I was a huge Gamecube and PS2 player, even owned an original Xbox for a short time. I used to own a Wii, have a 360 and still own my 3rd PS2. I just simply hate the Playstation Move. I'd get a PS3 any day if I had the money but I'm not even sure if I'd take a Move for free. I just personally think it's stupid to copy off of another company's controller, stick a glowing ball on the end of it, take their games and try to make them better and then act like you're the top company out there. I'll always like Sony and all 3 video game companies for that matter, I just hate what they're doing lately. I actually don't like Nintendo too much lately either to be honest, a big reason why I ditched the Wii.
@antigin oh thanks for the information, I thought it is illegal to buy more than one console or PS3 stick. /joke. ten million people read this comment and thought duh then thumbed down
"While we don?t disclose our exact sell-through number, the key is that our retailers continue to ask for more Move units and are taking every unit we can supply them with based on their sales." lol. that's coming from sony not me.
Wrong, when I mentioned retailers I was speaking generally. Unlike you who tries to tell me all companies use clearance when clearly this isn't the case. I've been told by several employees, store managers even from Gamestop who say if the products aren't selling like they're supposed to, they go back to the developer. In this case the manufacturers are contractually obligated to refund them. If Sony or any other company ships too many of their product out to stores worldwide and nobodies buying, they could wind up in-debt.
@thearcade yes but the npd backed these numbers up how can anyone say if they are true or not without them. i have been keeping track with sony since the beginning of ps1 when the system cost about $600 and in almost every instance they report shipped numbers. And wikipedia? please because everyone knows you can believe everything you read on the internet.
@thearcade yes they did and i too have been playing games since 1981. ALL major department stores like wal-mart , target, bestbuy, where games sell the most have clearance sales and inventory sales. in your article you did not say some stores you insinuated that all stores return unsold merchandise to the manufacturer when that is not true. and where did you hear stores return unsold merchandise to the manufacturer? i've been in business for 15 years and do business with stores like wal-mart, target, construction companies, and car dealerships and that is not a common practice. and as far a sony lying yeah like microsoft has been so honest up to this point right?
Well put Ninjiz! You see jb9776 not every situation is the same. Most companies would more likely return their stock back according to terms of agreement. Hell some stores don't even have clearance. It's up to the manufacturer to compensate these retailers.
@jb9776: What if there is too many in stock and no one is buying, even with clearance after the product reaches it's deadline? For that matter why would the store even bother when they can ship the items back to the company and get their money back? Not all companies use the clearance method in every situation, they must eliminate the merchandise to make way for other more in demand products.
continued... There are various wikipedia articles confirming how many copies a game sold on PS3. Probably the only article I can think of in recent memory which concluded units shipped was the MGS4 wiki which stated there were 3 million copies of the game shipped, it also confirms it sold roughly 2 million at some point. Obviously MGS4 sold way more than that by now but you get the point. Sony is not a fan of only relying on shipped numbers, they more often than not will report units sold. All of these companies do, even Microsoft and Nintendo.
@thearcade your logic is flawed, if it were true then why do stores have clearance sales and inventory sales, and overstock sales? by your logic they wouldn't be needed because every store that had merchandise they couldn't sell would just send them back for a refund.
@jb9776 Also that whole return to seller stuff, can totally depend on a contract with a Store... A Lot of stores do not have a clearance...
Not every situation is the same did your business class teach you gaming specifics? In any event I've been hearing for years that it's more common for stores to send their stock back to the companies if a product doesn't sell. As for your claim pertaining to Sony NEVER counting units sold what about all of those PS1, PS2 & 3 articles claiming otherwise these systems sold x amount of units. When Sony last reported the PS3 separate from VGChartz figures they were definitely units sold not shipped. I've been involved with the hobby that is gaming for 20+ years, witnessed some great things and remember most of these articles. There's no way your going to tell me all these companies or just Sony for that matter were lying about sales numbers.
@jb9776 The did say "sold" at first... but many sources (analysists, retailers) came out and said no, it was SHIPPED, and Sony updated their stance.... It was an attempt to mislead people so they could counter the Kinect figures. People in the industry have ways of getting sales figures and dont have to rely soley on NPD... Hell, Patcher just released a statement earlier this weak exposing both MS and Sony as manipulating Kinect and Move Supply just to increase the Demand. Last I checked, he noted Move has "sold" way less then 1 mil units, i think 200,000 in america or something?
continued... You see, the real issue here is Sony was caught lying. They shipped a bunch of MOVES then reported them as sold to various gaming news outlets, in an attempt to counter the success of Kinect. The thing that exposed them was retailers from Japan coming out saying these were units shipped not sold. Prompting a Sony rep to come out and admit the 4.1 million figure was exaggerated. When Microsoft reported their sales figures as SOLD through the consumer there weren't any discrepancies found, no gaming news articles had to update/change their report. They were legit numbers reported by stores as "sold" to consumers. I doubt MS or retailers would lie about this as they could get in trouble for it. Which is why in this motion-sensing struggle between the two parties, I find MS numbers more credible. Plus there's this indicating that when MS says amounts SOLD it means worldwide consumers, not just stores: http://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/9382554499031040 To most fans it's not about console wars as you would suggest, it's about using common-sense. We should be looking at which game-maker was more honest in this situation and in that regard, Microsoft comes out on top. Sony lied about it, plain and simple.
Not exactly, units shipped means they were sold through retailers to sit on shelves for a time. If those units aren't sold by the time they meet their deadline, they are shipped back to the manufacturer for a refund. What you thought those accessories would just sit in stores forever? If consumers are taking too long to grab all of the amount shipped or no one is buying. The stores must get rid of them to make way for the newer stocks. This is why it's not such a big deal to tout shipped figures sold through retailers. It's better to release public info regarding the amount sold to consumers. It is entirely possible to obtain these numbers. Each time someone buys gaming equipment, they are verified by retailers and reported directly to the manufacturer as units "sold" confirming the installed base of said product.
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