Aussie R18+ public debate still waiting on Atkinson

  • By Laura Parker, GameSpot AU
  • Posted Mar 3, 2009 12:11 am GMT

South Australian attorney general yet to make proposed "minor" changes to R18+ public consultation discussion paper.

The much-anticipated public consultation on whether Australia should have an R18+ rating for games remains in limbo, with South Australian Attorney General Michael Atkinson yet to make his proposed amendments four months after initially delaying the process.

In 2008, the Standing Committee of Attorneys General (SCAG)--a body made up of state, territory, and federal censorship ministers--agreed to release by year's end a discussion paper which was to serve as the start of a public consultation process for the introduction of an R18+ rating for video games in Australia. The paper included an overview of the relevant research and literature and a proposal to amend the classification guidelines. The first delay was suffered when Atkinson withdrew his support for the paper without citing a reason, before agreeing to back the paper's release only on the grounds that he be allowed to make some "minor" changes.

Atkinson proposed changes to the paper and has still to act on these changes since agreeing to make them at the SCAG meeting in November 2008. When GameSpot AU contacted Atkinson's office to ask about the status of the minister's changes, a spokesperson said: "Discussions are continuing between the [South Australian] attorney general's office and the SCAG Secretariat about amendments to the discussion paper."

Atkinson's office could not offer any indication of a timeline in regards to the completion of these changes to the discussion paper by Atkinson, or when the discussion paper is being considered for public release.

Atkinson initially said the wording of the original draft paper was biased, and he made this statement to GameSpot AU in November 2008: "I believe the draft discussion paper did not adequately represent both sides of the argument. I voiced my concerns to other attorneys general and we reached agreement that some minor changes will be made to the discussion paper," Atkinson said. "I am not opposed to a public debate on the merits of introducing an R18+ classification for electronic games--in fact, I welcome it. But it's unhelpful to commence that debate with what I believe is a biased discussion paper. I look forward to contributing to the development of a fairer discussion paper."

Four months on, it appears Atkinson has yet to make these changes to the paper, further delaying its release to the public. Other attorneys general--including ministers from Victoria, Queensland, and the Commonwealth--have already acknowledged that it is Atkinson they are waiting on.

"I fully support there being consultation on this issue, but ultimately SCAG is waiting for the South Australian attorney to agree to consult on the matter," Victorian Attorney General Rob Hulls said.

The office of Federal Attorney General Robert McClelland had this to say: "At this stage, censorship ministers are considering the content of a draft discussion paper and awaiting comments on the draft from South Australia. Any changes to classification categories, including introducing an R18+ classification for computer games, require unanimous support of the Commonwealth and all state and territories."

Once finalised, the discussion paper will be made available to the public via the Internet and will ask opinions on a number of issues relating to the introduction of the R18+ classification for video games in Australia.

50 Comments

  • southwardraptor

    Posted Apr 29, 2009 1:20 am GMT

    This guy needs a good bullet to the face. Ill leave it at that

  • Potat0e_Masher

    Posted Apr 19, 2009 11:49 pm GMT

    true

  • TheWarMachin3

    Posted Mar 5, 2009 11:53 am GMT

    I wanna smash this guy.... Who is he to decide if i want to play an R18 game or not. Should be my choice not some pollie who needs some dental work

  • mollyrulz9999

    Posted Mar 5, 2009 1:19 am GMT

    Yeah, I agree with the ID card idea. It'll be a more safer way for adults to buy games just for adults. Although, I'm pretty sure that some people will be able to buy/get them unofficially (bogans in particular), but in the end, R18+ games will be on the shelves, no matter what you think, except it'll be more safer for everyone

  • googlrpoxer

    Posted Mar 5, 2009 12:37 am GMT

    It can't take four months to re-develop any kind of discussion paper. He is just trying to hold back the inevitable.

  • RockZillaX

    Posted Mar 4, 2009 10:59 pm GMT

    But also that being said I know my thoughts and opinions are not in sync with the majority rule or else Neighbours would not be on TV and the Wii would not be the most popular console.

  • RockZillaX

    Posted Mar 4, 2009 10:57 pm GMT

    @ Payback7 right back at ya man.. @ Gameking5000 what the?? you can't be serious, surely @ the_red85 totally agree

    I mean come on really the guy's eyes are too close together and if he isnt at least partially inbred I'd be very surprised, My criteria for accepting policies and mandate from people who put them selves in charge of others is quite reasonable.. When I listen to said person state their case or policy and if all I hear is "Warning Dr Smith" I listen to my instincts.. and in Michael Atkinson's case that is quite an understatement... and then some

  • dr_satan666

    Posted Mar 4, 2009 2:31 pm GMT

    I agree with those who think R 18 games should be sold only with photo I.D. This system would totally work, if they treated it like selling alcohol or something that would be seriously prohibited towards minors. I'm 23 and I STILL get asked for I.D when buying alcohol. Nobody cares about Atkinson's views because he's made it clear he's not gonna budge on the subject.
    stubborn bastard!
    that's why there's a delay - he knows that once the consultation is released his iron hold grip on what we can and can't play, will crumble - people will actually be able to have all the facts....for once.... he knows he's gonna lose.

  • vannet89

    Posted Mar 4, 2009 5:28 am GMT

    This is totally stupid! Don't we elect the government to represent us?
    As Pilch_R_eD says, he is imposing his outdated beliefs on the whole country. He is corrupt! Damn you Atkinson!!! *Shakes Fist*

  • Hayabusa-Chaff

    Posted Mar 4, 2009 2:00 am GMT

    come onif a game is rated R 18 + itsmore likely just a publicity stunt, kids will find their hands on it and Newspapers and tv shows will be whinging for centuries so who really cares

  • Payback7

    Posted Mar 4, 2009 12:56 am GMT

    Oh and video games are a legitimate form of adult entertainment and should be treated as such

  • Payback7

    Posted Mar 4, 2009 12:48 am GMT

    @the_red85 and RockZillaX - couldn't have said it better myself. I for one would like an R rating as it gives adults who choose to play games the freedom to play what THEY want not what the government believes you should be watching/playing. I've been playing games since I was a kid. I'm now 28 and believe I should be able to choose what I play. Like RockZillaX - I have been forced to buy games outside of Australia just because a game has been deemed unfit for CHILDREN. I'm not a child and can choose to play what I want. While I understand the need to protect children, the solution offered by 'the_red85' is perfect and lays the responsibility on the parents. Who should be more vigilant in the first place anyway.

  • the_red85

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 11:21 pm GMT

    if they are worried about kids getting the games, make sure that ALL R18+ games are locked away behind the counter, and they must provide photo ID to buy it..... simple. if a parents buys it for their child then they have no one to blame if something goes mentally wrong with their child. simple.... done and dusted.......

  • morbid_man_guy

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 10:55 pm GMT

    It's an age-old device, stalling. Don't like something? Toss it on the back burner. Afraid of dealing with something because you're too narrow minded to function appropriately and efficiently in your current position? Put it aside to gather dust. Out of sight, out of mind, right? Well Mr Mike "jerk face" Atkinson, you might think the idea behind this public consultation will unopposingly gather dust, but oh no, it won't. It'll ferment, getting stronger by the week, until the day comes when you lose, drowning in an ocean of R18+ games sitting on shelves and not in kids' hands. MUAHAHAHAHA.

    Seriously though, when there's one guy out there who just happens to be an Attorney General, and also just happens to be incapable of relating to the reality of the issue as it stands today, we end up with what's called, generally speaking, an unfair situation. Sure, take some time to make some "minor modifications" to make the discussion paper less "biased", but at least be reasonable (ie don't sit around for months). As intrinsically unreliable and shifty as politicians are, if they're unable to cooperate with a DISCUSSION, then it's time for them to go. This clown should just retire and collect his superannuation. Let an able person take over the job, one who is in touch with today's Australia.

  • gameking5000

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 9:11 pm GMT

    Mr.Atkinson knows what he's doing. It is not an easy job of just saying "R18+ rating is on" in a flash. There shouldn't be an area to write comments on this article. All these people who need to straighten up and give more respect...

  • tawagivercetti

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 8:10 pm GMT

    Just doing what a politician does best. NOTHING.
    I consider Pauline Hanson more credible a politician than this senile old fugly man. Stop f'ing with my games uncle cracker. Now I'm off to play some MANHUNT 2.

  • rockatanski

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 5:20 pm GMT

    You really have to hand it to Michael Atkinson. A great man. His skills and mastery of talking directly from the buttocks is absoloutely outstanding in all of it's merit.

    He is the ass to mouth man of the new age!

  • RockZillaX

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 4:15 pm GMT

    Is even my age an issue? I'm 39 and have been a gamer since I was 12 years old.. I am forced on occasion to buy banned games from play-asia.. I know this hurts the Aussie industry. Atkinson is a the worst kind of do gooder a God bothering homogenised parasite. Complaining about this bigoted old fool here is pointless.. but at least I can vent to you guys my fellow gamers on what a prick this guy is. argh!!!

  • edeasknight

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 9:46 am GMT

    Clearly, the 'minor' change he's proposing is changing 'this discussion paper will be made public' to 'this discussion paper won't be made public'.

  • darthturkey

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 5:04 am GMT

    Even there was a R rating, parents will still get the games for their kids, just to shut them up, So mr Atkinson can you stop being such an douch and play along. Why do we have to be the only country in world that nearly everly game get either banned or modified to a way its not worth buying here, we are the only country which dosnt have an R rating for games, its time to be the same as the US and get the same version they get, not some wash down version to suit an MA rating, or are just scared to let an R rating for games, one way or another kids will get those games, either its downloading of torrents or getting themfrom friends.

  • littlebrainmagg

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 2:43 am GMT

    im with "imprezawrx500"
    if the R18+ games are allowed in AUS, there would be much less kids playing games like GTA4 or L4D, ruining the XBL experience for some people. Having an 8 year old screming into the mike abusing you isn't as funny as u might think...

  • xandyg

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 2:41 am GMT

    lol SCAG

  • Pilch_R_eD

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 2:32 am GMT

    I'm not surprised he's being allowed to do this. With how many stupid people are running the world making stupid decisions nothing surprises me in that department. It still doesn't change the fact that he is abusing his position to force his own personal opinion on an entire country. He, is an individual and I welcome him to have his own opinion, and fight for it, and live his own life by it. But the way he is doing it is extremely despicable. He's not willing to have a fair and honourable fight because he will lose. So he will forever do whatever he can possibly do to have things stay the way he wants them to. Mr.Atkinson, you are not Australia, you are not even South Australia. And in the grand scheme of things, South Australia is such a minor insignificant part of this country that it makes it even MORE ridiculous that your personal feelings and opinions could be given this much power over so many people. This is why I don't vote. Should I put the lying scum from the left corner in power or the lying scum from the right? No no no no, I don't think I want to feel even the tiniest bit responsible for either.

  • Blackadder51

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 2:20 am GMT

    What an idiot

  • VitasV

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 2:18 am GMT

    God. We allow R rated magazines and movies which cost way less than R rated games. So how do R rated games become any different?

  • jorel12

    Posted Mar 3, 2009 12:41 am GMT

    This guy (atkinson) is like dealing with grandad,imagine how tough it would be to try and explain to grandad why we play video games,he (atkinson) thinks that we are all very young kids or dumb adults who have not left our mum,s basement,so lets all hope that grandad just go,s to a elderly person,s home cos he does,not speak for the youth of today!!!!! power to the people !!!!

  • Captain_Tom

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 11:50 pm GMT

    I'm upset that this man spent all that time at university getting a law degree and used it to be a goose.

  • plainelmo

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 11:46 pm GMT

    It's not just what he's doing, but his photo pi$$es me off lol, that grin...

  • MarioMainic

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 11:43 pm GMT

    This guy is a tool

  • Powderfingers91

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 11:38 pm GMT

    Australian politics in action.

    but seriously, cant we just kidnap him and fly him out into the middle of the desert with no food or water,

  • imprezawrx500

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 10:59 pm GMT

    why can't he just stop holding things up? all he is doing is making it much easier for kids to play gta4 etc. it's the same game in aust as the rest of the world except a few very minor things and not having a 18+ rating means 15 year olds can legally play game in aust while they can't anywhere else.

  • H0rr0rG4m3r

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 10:46 pm GMT

    Mr. Atkinson should stop being a wuss, and hurry up, us aussies are waiting to get our R+18 rating because we ARE getting that rating, he's outnumbered!

  • zxssded

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 10:25 pm GMT

    one thing i cant understand is y did they ban games like dark sector til like about 2008 and then they still have games like playboy

  • ImOldGreg

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 10:13 pm GMT

    This stupid country!!! Why cant we just hog tie this git and be done with it!?

  • cannibal87

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 10:09 pm GMT

    He dont like games and thats it. like come on look at the games that where banned they where not that bad (well the one i read up about)

  • AussieMonster

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 9:46 pm GMT

    It annoys me that one person can dictate to me and the rest of my countryman what we can and can't play.

  • rockatanski

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 9:42 pm GMT

    He's delaying because he is a smart arse. Any opportunity for some public exposure, he'll do it. Even if it's as pathetic and lame as stalling a report. What a total dogs balls this guy is.

  • gameking5000 posted Mar 2, 2009 9:18 pm GMT (does not meet display criteria. sign in to show)

    gameking5000

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 9:18 pm GMT (hide)

    You got all the time in the world Mr.Atkinson, don't rush and ignore all these disgraceful comments.

  • superchink

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 8:42 pm GMT

    This guy is a wuss. He doesn't have the ammo to win this debate, so he stall and keep stalling the discussion.

    Instead of growing a pair and tackle the debate head on like a man, he engage the public in an endless cat and mouse chase avoiding the discussion altogether.

  • TurambarGS

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 7:31 pm GMT

    He's got to realise that he's down on support, surely and now this is just a delaying tactic in the hope that the issue will die down eventually. But well, we're still waiting and whinging about it, so we're not going away in a hurry!

  • corp-hicks1

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 7:18 pm GMT

    Kick Atkinson out! : )

  • tawagivercetti

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 6:47 pm GMT

    I wish this guy would f' up and get this done ASAP
    stop lagging behind you SCAG head

  • maxgil2

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 6:02 pm GMT

    wonder if there's a way to remove him from his seat...yea lol bias? like he's not bias @ all?? Or course he can't win...he's already been prove as liar last time - eg He said ALL senators agreed with his view when its not even the case

  • smooth40

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 5:47 pm GMT

    I am 31 years old, am I still not considered mature enough to handle the content for an R18+ classification? This man has no clue, and like others are suggesting he knows he cannot win and is delaying.

  • spacemariens22

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 5:30 pm GMT

    he is just delaying it because he knows he will lose and what little power he has will be gone and he cant stand to think about that! there is no REAL! reason for us not to have an R18+ system in australia!

  • skitzo_zac

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 5:23 pm GMT

    It was biased? I seriously doubt it was, now we know for sure that when/if it is released that it will be seriously biased against the introduction of the R18+ rating.

  • Mattyrock

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 5:14 pm GMT

    No wonder the debate is taking forever to start because of morons like him who can't let people speak their mind about the whole issue.

  • Kaldo

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 5:00 pm GMT

    Laura, is there anyway to make all this mans stalling more public? Maybe have news.com.au get wind of it or something... I feel if he was put in the spotlight a little more he'd have to come out from hiding in his little South Australian hole.

  • Spider-Jim

    Posted Mar 2, 2009 4:44 pm GMT

    Stalling , I wonder why?

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