Here they admit the game doesn't really have an end game. This is more proof that Blizzard didn't think about much of anything except for making some cash off the name of the franchise "Diablo" and that's why they just pushed out this game - and to take advantage of their RMAH system. Blizzard are bad right now, fraud's right now.
World of Warcraft and Diablo publisher working on fixes; player-versus-player arenas for upcoming 1.1 patch.
Blizzard has responded to criticism regarding the lack of content in Diablo III, particularly in the game's fourth and final act on Inferno difficulty.
On the official forums, Diablo III community manager Micah "Bashiok" Whiple posted that the endgame is not sustainable from a long-term perspective.
"We aren't going to be able to pump out tons of new systems and content every couple of months. There needs to be something else that keeps people engaged, and we know it's not there right now."
Whiple said that the publisher is working on a number of major fixes and changes for the upcoming 1.0.4 patch, as well as player-versus-player arenas for 1.1.
"I think both those patches will do a lot to give people things to do and get them excited about playing, but they’re not going to be a real end-game solution; at least, not what we would expect out of a proper end-game. We have some ideas for progression systems, but honestly, it’s a huge feature if we want to try to do it right, and not something we could envision being possible until well after 1.1, which itself is still a ways out."
Diablo III will be one of the games showcased at the upcoming Gamescom event this year in Cologne, Germany. Blizzard recently offered refunds to South Korean Diablo III players up to level 40 due to login problems and slow connections.
To all people who tell others to "get a grip" and stop whining about D3: you're missing the point. Of course in the end nobody is going to care. That doesn't mean that you just can't help feel a bit disappointed with what came out. Compared to D2, this is definitely much less fun. Mostly just higher res graphics. After 100+ hours I also got 1 legendary drop of fairly low level gear that is basically pretty worthless because it will last for about an hour on a character that can make use of it. I have not seen any set items. Elite packs seem to drop better stuff than bosses. I had first kills on bosses that didn't drop even a yellow. No recipes.
But what I find most annoying is that unfortunately Blizzard seems to have completely missed the whole point of D2 which had specific items designed for specific character builds, and specific character builds designed for specific items. The loot that drops or is crafted is completely, and utterly random, up to and including legendary items. There is no game plan behind the loot at all. It's just random number generators. In D2, if a Windforce dropped, you would know the stats within 10% without even picking it up. That was the whole point of unique items. In D3, it's all basically gone. No need to bother with loot tables anymore, or calculating builds.
That's what's missing from D3.
And D3 is losing players like EA in stock value. Now Blizzard is deleting forum threads by users that are not drinking their cool aid and instead are challenging Blizzards propaganda, see here (by courtesy of Google cache): https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7ix7QZAr0pYJ:https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6020332955%2Bhttps://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6020332955&hl=en&site=&btnK=&ct=clnk
What the heck ? They thinking this BS called Inferno or D3 end game isnt doing any good because of ARENA PVPs or not much of content...
Since when Action hack and slash RPGs where about content and arenas? Never... So the main problem is .... GAME IS NOT ADDICTIVE GAME... why? well go to official forums and there some hundreds of serious reasons why... People even QUIT already!! They quit a game supposed would surpass D2 and right now , with fastest selling PC game title , being in survival mode when D2 has constantly 30k players online everyday after 13 years.
So ... i hope torchlight is good because Path of Exile is in beta and is kinds short. Gw2 is near and MoP is coming too. D3 failed and failed. Not as a singple player diabloish experience but FOR SURE as an ADDICTIVE ONLINE RPG. period
Yea, the WoW graphics SUCK! Thats why I don't play WoW! Looks like a cartoon for sure... That's also why I played Ultima Online for so many years because the new MMORPGs SUCK! Elder Scrolls online will be coming soon so WE ALL WILL SAVED SOON from the "NO-MMO'S-WORTH-PLAYING" monster!
Well, it was not possible to live up to the hype. There were 3 hype groups:
1. Those who expected D3 to be identical to D2 and much much better
2. Those who expected D3 to be different and a vast innovation over D2
3. Those who never played Diablo games before, and expected D3 to be the 'definitive game' due to all the buzz
No matter which direction Blizzard went in, they were bound to dissapoint 2 out of the 3 groups above. Diablo 2 back then received its fair share of criticism. For a game released in 2000, the graphics looked the same (or worst) than Diablo 1. People complained that it was practically Diablo 1 with a skill tree. I find it funny that Diablo 2 is being heralded the way it is now.
Soooooooo, lots of hate after people spent 200+ (at the least) hours on the game. If the game was that bad, we all quit in the first few hours. Got tired of it, gab a new game to play to kill 20+ hours of time.
Guess the expectation from the 10+ years wait is that the game can be enjoyed non-stop for the next 10 years :D
Me and my friends will be a lot happier if the party cap is increased to 5 or 6. Playing the game with friends is fun, playing with more friends, more fun
I keep seeing this argument and it doesn't hold any water. The issues people are complaining about don't become apparent until the 3rd run-through of the game, i.e. Hell. Even then, people trudge on, hoping it will get better. Then in Inferno, they get slapped in the face with the reality that yes, it really is this bad and isn't going to get better by continuing to play. So please stop using this as your basis to discount other people's rants about how bad it is.
So many things wrong with D3. Allow me to make you my list.
- Graphics similar to WoW, definantly doesnt have the diablo feel when your fighting big bright colored mobs, it feels like a cartoon.
- No customizatiom whatsoever.
- Inferno isn't fun becuase its so hard and it's the only place you can get the good loot. The difficulty of inferno also destroys any sense of community. Why would I join others in-game to make something already impossible harder?
- No open world pvp.
- Only 4 players allowed in the same game at a time.
- Whats with battletags? why even name your character if it's not going to be displayed, also no sense of individuality when anyone can have the same name.
- The worst auction house I have seen in a game, I feel like im playing the home shopping network whenever I want to sell an item.
- They made gold the currency which destroyed its economy.
I could keep going, I played diablo 3 for about a month before I couldn't take it any longer. I would honestly rather play diablo 2.
I got through twice as a monk, haven't played in a few weeks. I also started a hardcore mode barbarian. The fear of permadeath is the single thing that will get me to play. But then you die, and realize that being late on the rent for this game was no where near worth it...
This is what happens when you try to make a single player game like a mmorpg. D2 was such a success due to the customization it offered players about stat builds.
D3 , biggest letdown in my personal gaming history since 1996 .
Too much hype , great ideas ...but VERY bad online end game design. Made me quit in first 15 days.
The problems with D3 (main ones) are that
- The story was too basic and delivered too poorly (along with not enough atmosphere) making repeated playthroughs not as interesting yet the game focuses on this like the Diablo series always has
- risk / reward is bad, the risk and difficulty has increased due to inferno being the new hardest difficulty (surpassing hell) but most people feel like they get barely any good items when playing and there isn't enough reward when farming even inferno (you can get awesome items but the average player doesn't find tons of them or even enough to progress that quick)
- The devs have been very quick to create a culture of anti-progression, plenty of nerfs and near no buffs / changes to compensate what they nerf
- New skill system = more fun initially but less investment and customisation to make you feel like you made your character. It's just a gear grind now where only the items you carry are of any value and the AH and RMAH are there to try and make sure you spend your gold and if Blizz gets there way, real money.
- the developers are clueless. Any buff has to come with a sharp stealth nerf and everything fun about the game slowly gets stabbed by Blizzard.
Diablo 3, FAR FAR from being ready; far from what I was shown in gameplay videos.
These jerks sold a game what was not what they shown in gameplay videos, they cheated and scripted the videos to work only to Hype the game. They killed the Diablo series as well as the Blizzard name. I've played and can go back to playing Diablo 2 and enjoy it even after 12years its been out and i played it now and then over the years; but Diablo 3 for all its amazingness was put down after about 2 weeks; and hasn't been picked up since. Its very sad that they are using patches to bring the game to what it should have been at release.. and even then the game Won't ever be what it should cause they actualy refused to change some things that made Diablo what it is. It'll take a LONG time to get this out of beta and possibly to never to get it functioning as part of the Diablo series.
It wasn't rushed. How could a game that started development in 2000 and released in 2012 be considered rushed? Even though previous development was scrapped and restarted from near scratch in 2006, that's still 6 years. No, it was butchered, not rushed. I'm not sure if they cut out large chunks of the game to streamline it more for the RMAH, or to give them the ability to quickly release "new" content for more money in the future. Blizzard themselves disclosed content before release that is strangely nowhere to be found in the actual game.
as someone said on another d3 thread. The game got boring the THIRD time thru it. I just cba with inferno mode as theres little else to do other than grind for gear, then what do we do with the gear? kill the same stuff again? no place to go test the new gear in somekind of mass rvr either. the 1v1 PVP means very little imo 1v1 should be just a part of proper PVP Diablo3 feels like an mmo (for numerous reasons) without the MASSIVE part of it.least i got a good months play out of it which is more than can be said of most new games.
Once they release an expansion to the story ill go check it out again but other than that the game is over for me.
Don't give them any more money, otherwise you will be training a dog to do bad behaviour.
Im glad they admitted it. Once i got to end game with 20m in my account I sold all my items for like $400 dollars and quit. A month later I bought back gear within 90% of the original gear. I tried playing but Going from like 20m to 200m worth of gear again just isnt that fun. Nothing really to do. In the old days of d2 I liked having better gear so i could own people easily and have them whine about my gear being better. Of course the troll thing to do is swap your gear and pretend u had worse gear. Oh the luls ;) But yeh d3 is boring right now.
@jeremy- You sold all your items for $400? Then month later you bought back the gear? How did you do that? The Real money auction house hasn't even been up for a month. It went live June 12th.
Obviously you are a time traveler from the future.
@razama and about buying back my gear within 90% of my existing gear, i found that the real money AH was inflated on the first day. My strategy with selling everything is that the longer the game goes, the more items flood the market which lowers their price, so if you were gunna sell and rebuy your items, u wanted to do it on day 1 of the real money AH and then buy back later on once the market changed. And it does change... just consider any random 1000 damage 2h which went from like 1m to 50k.
@razama it was probably like 2.5 weeks after i cashed out. Dont hate bro :) A lot of people made that kind of money if you were farming act 3 inferno for a few weeks before nerf. You should be making around 1-4m per hour in inferno as long as you farmed act 3 which dropped the highest ilvl. Now with the recent patch you still have a chance for highest ilvl in act 1-2, act 3 still better though. Way back when then you could sell 1000 damage weapons for 1m easily because it wasnt really mainstream to farm inferno yet and you could make even up to 8m per hour at the start. There was no secret to it. ANybody who watched twitch dot tv etc just followed a formula and inferno'd from early days :) My best selling item was $100 for pants I believe they were around 240something dex with high vit and some phys/elem resist which at the time was the 6th highest dex pants on the gold AH. On the second day of auction house they sold, whereas other people were selling slightly better pants for around 150-250, i was happy to cash out. Anyway, true story... peace :)
130+ hours of playtime so far. I'm in Act I of Inferno with a 30k dps Barb and I can't progress without having some sort of ranged attack help when the Elite/Champion packs start swarming.
Here is what I see the most glaring shortfalls of the game are:
- how do we know that the loot on the AH/RMAH is actually posted by a PERSON? We see the items there, but there is NOTHING to prevent Blizzard from salting the AH with thier own generated items and corner the market on anything in demand. Yes, I've sold the odd items on the AH, but I suppose we have to trust that Blizzard isn't randomly promoting an illusion of market supply/demand.
- No way am I going to FARM lower level Acts like sweeping up spilled Legos to raise 5MM gold to buy a single item that will improve my stats 3% overall...
- if you buy something on RMAH, Blizzard makes $1 from that sale. If you resell/post that item again when you upgrade, they will make another $1 from the auction event. Perpetual money on high end items to Blizz... Also, if there is nothing to prevent Blizzard from reinstancing a deleted/vendor sold/crafting material converted item and putting it back into AH circulation at any time.
- after 130+ hours of play, I've had 1 (ONE) Legendary drop, and it was a 2H Crossbow only really suitable for my Scoundrel (in other words: completely useless to the character that I'd invested time on)
- after 130+ hours of play, I've NEVER seen a set item piece drop. Of any level of gear.
- after 130+ hours of play, I've not seen any sort of pattern drop for my Artisan crafters (except the pattern for the Staff of Herding, which I had to farm Izual for 4hours to get!!) yet I see hundreds of them on the AH/RMAH for insanely high prices.
I initially thought that I'd like to play and level one of each of the character classes, but the more frustrated I get at the completely unrealistic 'loot lottery' that is farming elites/champion packs, the more likely I am to stop playing all together, like a number of my friends are starting to do...
Yes, I paid my $60 and played the game for 130+ hours. By most rights, that is pretty damn good entertainment $ spend (especially if you compare it to going to movies!!) but there comes a time when retiring your game because it isn't fun anymore happens (this ALWAYS happens at some point). It's just sad that I had to wait 12 years for D3, and then consider retiring from it 2 months after it is released...
@Newsky You bring up some really solid points.
How DO we know that blizzard isn't generating items and posting them on the RMAH? I could EASILY see that as a huuuuge cash grab opportunity that nobody playing could do about it/know about.
The developers have been focused on making the game as profitable as possible, when they should have been focusing on endgame replayability and a high degree of complexity. And no PvP? After 12 years? What a joke.
I think it's creepy that the people who can't enjoy D3 can't seem to move on... the Blizz forums are a mess, and you'd think Blizz was an evil king surrounded by pissed peons.
Disappointment I can understand, but someday you just have to uninstall, take a cold shower, and go shopping for new games...
@RockySquirrel the d3 forums are actually quite scary, ive slept much better since i stopped visiting hehe
@RockySquirrel Sadly, there arent many, if any new games to go shopping for after that cold shower...
Another run of Red Dead Redemption always rescues me from the gaming blues...
@AZN_style talking of finding new games to pass the time, nab vampire the masqurade off steam, then apply the "unnoficial patch" which fixes a lot of bugs and unfinished stuff as well as giving us some extra bells and whistles for the game engine.
One of the greatest games Ive ever played, EASILY comparible to Deus ex 1 ff7 and Ocarina of time. very high praise but the games creators deserve some massive amounts of money if they ever decide to kickstarter a remake or spinoff (as long as they stick to the originals stuff and take nothing out to make it easier for the console generation)
since diablo3 left me a bit flat ive been trying to find a game to keep me busy till GW2 comes out (still in therepy over TOR and GW2 has all the ingredients to be the DAOC sequel we all wanted)
any suggestions chaps? Getting a bit bored of playing a modded PES12 masterleague with the radio on in the background hehe
suddenly got the urge to play AC2, dam that game looks good when running in max at 60fps on a pc, one of the few proper games left imo even if ubisoft are milking its udders bigtime and slowly making it easier. At least the story is unique and mostly good. Lets hope revelations rushed feel is lost for AC3. I miss Ezio already :(
@RockySquirrel You're right, of course, but you can't entirely blame people for being so disheartened. The game LOOKED amazing, and so many of us wanted it to be. There isn't an ARPG (D3 included) to this day that had the impact D2 did. I personally love the dungeon hunting loot grinder. It's a game that's pretty much disappeared in a world dominated by 1st person shooters, or was reduced to the point that only 3rd rate companies do a mediocre job of replicating what came before. D3 was supposed to give fans a rebirth of the genre for at least a good couple of years. Instead, it didn't even really give us more of the same, it gave us something which vaguely resembled what we had before, with prettier graphics, but more shallow and forgettable gameplay.
Still, as you say, the reality is you can either play it for what it is, move on, or check back later and hope they've added some depth. Luckily or unluckily, my actual life has been the ultimate tedious loot grind as of late, so I haven't even gotten around to purchasing my own copy. By the time I do, hopefully it will have evolved some.
Less of hating the game, moreso hating the decisions behind the game/story/development.
The community has been extremely vocal about diablo 3, but it seems as though no matter how many people come forward...because blizzard is still making a profit, there's really no incentive to listen to the community.
The concept that I need to be funneled into using the AH and RMAH is ultimately the issue here (online all the time, impossible to find gear for myself even with 200+% Magic Find, gold drops are frequent and easy while items drops are uneventful and require more work to organize.). I found 2 legendaries in 115 hours of playing and they were for another class, and still werent any good.
Its like a few years ago I went into Blockbuster and got a few movies, but when im paying the girl, she asks me to join some club. I politely refused, but she followed it up with if I wanted any candy or soda with my purchase. I knew it wasnt her asking, but this over saturated business model of; offer more/sell more really bugs me. Its the same reason we all despise Soliciters. If i want something, let me seek it out and buy it for myself, I dont need you shoving a plate full of goods in my face.
@ Ayato _Kamina_1 Thats true, i was just talking to my colleague today about Blizzard, and how in the future i will no longer be supporting them as a developer... although since i've given up with Activation a little while ago (which happened before they were joined with Blizzard), and now Blizzard, and EA (soon), it seems there won't be many games left for me to buy in the future...Oh well, its a damn shame where gaming in the future seems to be heading, considering all the possibilities i used to dream about when i was still playing the things like the Sega Master System....
Oh get over yourself. "It's a damn shame where gaming in the future seems to be heading"...really? There are PLENTY of quality games out there atm, with plenty of devs who are loyal to their fanbase. Unfortunately, many large devs cater to the lowest common denominator (moms and dads who have little knowledge of videogaming). Profit margins are higher if you dumb a game down and make it easier and more accessible to play.
That being said, there are devs who WILL fall into the niche market of the 'hardcore', and those who want a high degree of complexity in their games.
Everything about D3 just makes me look back at D2 and think "damn, they got everything so right in that game". D3 has no character variance, in D2 you had to choose what your character would do from the moment you created it, whether you be a firewall sorc or a whirlwind barb. This added to the replayability of the game and also gave your character a completely different makeup to the rest of the people you met. Pvp already included, level 99, non-wow looking graphics... D2 had it all XD
Diablo 3, with the time it had to develop, is just a bitter disappointment that in all honesty, I regret buying. Diablo is and was one of my all time favourite games, this aberration that Bli$$ard have churned out is a disgrace to the series, and with the required online play, is a travesty to the future of PC gaming. I for one will be boycotting future Blizzard releases purely because I don't like the way they want to dictate the future of gaming.
Non-wow looking graphics... you have got to be kidding. WoW graphics are a huge improvement over D2's graphics. I can't even play D2 now, and I have tried, because the low-res graphics that were cutting edge at the time are just too hard on my eyes.
One of my main gripes with D3 is it seems no matter what class i use, whenever i get rare item drops, it seems a good 50% - 70% of the time i get items that aren't for my characters class or when it is, its got such low stats its not even worth the effort of trying to get them...Out of the say 70% rare drops that aren't for my glass, i would say a good 80% of them are for the DH... and its been like this from the beginning... is Blizzard basically telling people to use DH, coz the other classes are useless!? Not to mention them constantly changing the stats on items doesn't help, and makes me wonder if i should of kept some of the items i got rid before the updates...Anyway, i do agree, i've seen a lot of people leave the game, even on my friends list from people logging in at least 4/5 times a week, now a lot of them haven't been on in weeks and in some cases, almost a month if not more...
There is no PvP, and magic finding has been changed for the worse. Now they're going to add PvP in the form of crappy arenas? What a horrid step backwards. PvP and magic finding were the two primary aspects of Diablo 2 that kept the game afloat for so long, and pretty much the two things that summed up Diablo 2's end game. By screwing up these two simple things, Blizzard broke its own backbone.
"There needs to be something else that keeps people engaged, and we know it's not there right now." Oh, but we still want $60 for the game that doesn't have what it should have had before launch - not to mention what the games that came before it had. Oh and while we don't have what will keep you engaged, we have a real money auction house! YEAH!
I keep seeing these posts "you played for 50 some hours and you feel like you got gipped? how do ya figure? that sounds like a good deal to me!"
You're missing the point. It's not about the fact that they paid $60 for xx amount of hours of entertainment and they expected games to keep them occupied for xxxx amount of hours, it's about the fact that they bought some chopped up mess of a game called a Diablo sequel, which was obviously released with the intentions of cashing in on the brand, and these people feel duped. If it wasn't called Diablo these people wouldn't have played it for 50 seconds let alone 50 hours or whatever they clocked in at.
Everyone who played D3 for all those hours, did so while telling themselves "I'm sure it's going to get better at some point...the gameplay isn't going to be as tedious and repetitive....the plots going to get interesting...the corny dialogues going to go away...it's going to have some atmosphere....the games going to get deeply engrossing just like in the first 2 installments and it's not going to just be another moshup of tired fantasy cliches geared toward school children"...So you fight all the way through to Diablo to find out they made him into some comic book super villain....he's all like...."RRRRAAAHH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER LOVED WILL BE DESTROYED!!! HAHAHAHA I AM THE LORD OF TERROR!!! BOOGETY BOOGETY BOOGETY!!!!" ......and you're just like...."Ok that was just.....awful"...But you play through again a couple more times, still in half disbelief they would castrate the franchise like this...
You get all the way to Inferno and you're like "Alright Inferno whatta ya got for me, you gonna introduce some new twist??? Is there anything cool going on with you??? You gonna redeem this game or what???? ......then it's like....wait....ok so you're telling me I'm going to have to spend $1400 on this Real Money Auction House to do the same %$^& I've already done 3 times already???.....GET REAL!!!....and then it sinks in...I wasted all these hours thinking the game was going to get good just to find out I'm being baited into tossing some money around on this real money auction house? Ya know, I don't remember downloading some free to play, pay to win B rated garbage made by a team of freelance developers who make games on the side out of their 3 bedroom apartment in the %$@^'ing Netherlands. If I had, I wouldn't really be complaining.
But I was under the impression I had bought the next Diablo!! The sequel to two legendary games that defined the freakin genre!!!
D3 is being lauded as a success because it sold 6 million copies but that's just a testament to the success of D1 and D2 because 99% of these copies would've never been sold if not for the success of the first 2 and those games were successful because they were just well done, all around. All this dissappointment is coming from the fact that Blizzard has been putting out some incredible games over the years, games that are groundbreaking and awesome from end-to-end but lately they've gotten this notion that they' should ONLY focus on ONE element of a game because all gamers have a one-track-mind and are either senseless loot junkies or just want to mindlessly plow through hordes of mobs and that's it. I'll say this though, keep insulting the intelligence of your player base and you're going to lose them. It's that simple.
I smell an add-on coming, like the LOD expansion (Act 5, anyone?). And I'm not paying for it unless they fix everything on my gripe list (see "Magister" on the D3 forums for the whole list, I can't post it here due to severe length limitations).
Here's another bit of Blizz logic: They decided that making tiered runes drop and adding in as many gem types as D2 would be too much clutter for the player to handle. Yet at the last minute they decide to make grey AND white drops completely useless, but they did so only to keep that 'loot piñata' feeling. WTFreak?
Face it. Blizz is on the downturn. This game was a total crapfest. And that's coming from one of Blizz's biggest (ex) fanboys. If you feel the need to defend this piece of crap game, then please do. And please know you're an idiot for doing so.
The game was pushed back and in the works for 8 plus years for them to now realize the end game is boring. I quit after i beat Hell mode with my DH, I just dont feel excited enough to play the game all over again for the same experience on a harded level.
They still aren't catching as much hell as SWTOR did because of the lack of end-game content. They should be called out just as much.
lol@people who facerolled their way to level 35 and quit crying about lack of content you haven't unlocked all your runes yet.
And the stats they say you need to beat Inferno are like the fish that keeps getting bigger if you read the forums you'd think you need 30k dps, 500 resist all and 40k health with only one boring spec to beat the first few acts of Inferno. Try crying less man up and l2p.
Here's the proof you know nothing about this. You need ZERO resists for act 1 and 2 Inferno, but with 500 you can't do Act 3 and not even dream about Act 4. You're probably a kid playing Hell or Nightmare, or a demon hunter who think that since his class can do it, every other class can do it too.
@s4dn3s5 and if you don't pass the gear check? go back and farm trivial content (i.e. previous acts) until you get upgrades or buy them off the AH.
Seriously? You paid $60 to farm lower difficulty acts? Suddenly all your stupid comments make sense.
@s4dn3s5 My WW-melee barb would disagree with you he certainly needs resists to melee elemental afflicted champion packs (e.g. arcane/poison/molten/desecrator) in all acts of inferno so I think you may have it wrong on who has it wrong about what. I don't kite or play a glass cannon wiz or DH that spends its time running away from everything and nerd rages when it gets adds. I love adds the more the merrier.
Inferno is nothing but a gear check if you pass the gear check and have a decent spec you can faceroll every act. Tornado barbs destroy all acts it's all about gear so go try and tell some other gullible dingus how to play a tank like this is WoW you aren't fooling me.
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