NPD: Windows 8 hasn't 'stimulated' PC gaming

 @xlord121  @AlphaWolF_J you may not and most gamers certainly wont but big corporate investors who only want the profit will be very interested  

 @Hellsasin  @Thanatos2k I was referring to your statement that it was a "mobile phone/tablet operating system"

 @Hellsasin  @Sakirenn  @Thanatos2k Who said it was supposed to?

 @overhang  @DIGN  @Falru That's true for most OS's. Anything that's compatible with the newer OS (which in this case would be literally everything) will be carried over.

 @DIGN  @Falru And my installed programs and games? That's a real upgrade, if it's true.

 @overhang  @Falru Too bad when you install it you have the option to keep your files and settings.

 @DIGN  @Sakirenn Ok, that would be nice, DIGN.

 @overhang  @Sakirenn It's gonna take some time to get screenshots. I just got finished installing dual monitors last night and today I'm going with my family on a trip for the weekend. I won't have much time to re-install Win 7 until I get back.

 @Sakirenn  @DIGN I asked for some screenshots because DIGN keeps saying Win8 has better game performance.

By the way, here is a 10 games benchmark review:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331.html

Take your conclusions.

 @DIGN "You're right this is the internet, I should expect stupid responses from stupid people."

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

 @joshmonus Well looks like my works done here, you've proved my point. You're right this is the internet, I should expect stupid responses from stupid people.

 @DIGN This is the internet moron, expect insults.

I did not say Win 8 session uses more resources, I said the start menu does.

I use Windows to fix Windows, Apple to fix Apple, Linux to fix Linux based on the quickest path to a solution.  Im currently running Server 2008 r2 hosting a Win 7 & Linux distro VM's, 2x Win 7 desktops, 2x Win 8 on ASUS G75/ASUS Slate and 10.8 Hackintosh/Win 7 desktop.  I utilize many tools.  

Never said I don't like Win 8, quite the contrary, my problem is with the start menu.

I make $ 115 per hour because I own an IT consulting business, my time is very valuable and not just to myself.

P.S.- Your stupid.

 @joshmonus  @DIGN Just because it takes up the entire screen does not mean it's any less functional. 

Also, you said earlier that the Start screen searching would not turn up files, Control Panel, firewall, etc. If you have a computer with Windows 8 on it, you very obviously are ignoring that one stroke of the down arrow will bring you to all of these things. It defaults to searching apps, as you were so quick to point out before. 

All of the functionality of the standard Start menu remains in the Start screen of Windows 8, and it adds a ton more versatility and customization options than the Start screen ever had. 

And even if you were the rich computer pro you seem to like to think you are ($115 an hour my ass),  waiting a few more milliseconds to bring up the Start screen isn't going to affect your performance in any significant way, you're just being nit-picky.

 @joshmonus  @DIGN Firstly, I didn't insult you, so don't insult me. let's keep this to facts and not layout random insults, because right now you're acting like an obnoxious self-centered child. (Fact: I've never done drugs in my life and I don't plan on it, I don't want become like you, a child in an adult body.) 

I never stated that I liked the Windows 8 start menu, so don't put words in my mouth, Lets be adults here.

Now let's get back to the topic at hand, get a calculator and open up TaskManager in Windows 7 and another in Windows 8. Subtract the differences of explorer.exe(your desktop) you should notice a slight difference in kb(kilobytes) with Windows 8 in favor. You could also look at the percentages of CPU and Memory usage and notice that  Windows 8 is in favor again. Go back to Algebra 1 this is basic calculations.

Now onto you contradicting yourself again, if you care so much about your work performance then you wouldn't be using Windows at all. You'd be using something along the lines of Linux which is free and performs faster than Windows 7 and is better for work in every way imaginable.

Just because you don't like Windows 8 doesn't make it worse than 7 you can have your preferences, but the fact is Windows 8 boots faster and takes up less resources. Until you can understand these simple facts I suggest grow up.

 @DIGN "Win 8 start menu takes less resources than Win 7"  If you actually believe this then you need to go back to first grade math.  

Win 8 start menu reduces functionality, it takes up your entire screen for one (this obviously makes no difference for you because you like getting stoned and looking at pretty flashing lights) but for me it has an impact.  Likewise the search function has needless added navigation where on 7 its is streamlined.

Your in love with Windows 8, that is great.  I bet you live at home with your parents and only use your PC for facebook and playing games.  I, on the other hand, mostly use my computer for work, when something slows my work it is a liability and in the ends results in time/money lost.   Until you can understand these simple facts I suggest education.

 @joshmonus "GUI added functionality and took away nothing (aside from increased resources)."

*cough* contradiction *cough* Ok, so that's exactly what Win 8 Start Menu is. Except it takes less resources than Win 7 and it's a lot more optimized(faster boots, faster searches, ect.)

 @DIGN Oh kind of like how VGA was crammed down everybodys throat? What a stupid analogy.  GUI added functionality and took away nothing (aside from increased resources).

Yes its third party and I see a crapload of them.  When download.microsoft.com has the start menu, I'm on board.

 @joshmonus  @Sakirenn You keep telling us of this "job" you have, please tell us what you do that makes you feel so elite and above anyone who "flocks" toward Windows 8. $115 /hr. the way your talking it sounds like an easy job and I'll gladly do it better for less.

 @joshmonus click on it with my mouse? I thought everyone had a Windows button on their keyboard.

That's your problem, just because I don't use computers like you do doesn't mean that I don't understand them. You can still go through the whole computer without touching a mouse if that's what your getting at with all this "click w/ a mouse" stuff.

 @Sakirenn Accusing somebody of lying on the internet, someone who you know basically nothing about and cannot prove otherwise is quite stupid.

I tested DNS query via domain, most any program from the past +10 years understands this request, however your 'intuitive' Win 8 start menu does not, it requires a FQDN.

"Controlled content delivery by default" this statement really needs no clarification. 

You like pretty and that is great, i prefer productivity first, so my start menu only consuming %10 of one of my screens is a plus.  

 @joshmonus You obviously didn't test it, because not only do I happen to have a G75, I just got to this site by typing it ("www.gamespot.com") into my Start screen. 

I don't see how it's an issue of content delivery when again, you can simply unpin the things you don't want on your Start screen. Which, by the way, the point of turning off a Live tile is so that you have quick access to the app without seeing the preview content in the tile. I never said the larger tiles were a necessity, btw, but they are quite aesthetically pleasing (at least to me).

 @Sakirenn  So if you turn the modules off, static or unpinn live tiles then what is the point of keeping it.  Also are you legally blind that you need every icon to be really large and for the start menu to consume %100 of a screen?

Win 7- start menu- type control, or devices, or firewall, or an email, or files, or folders, (list goes on) hit enter and your desire opens.

Win 8- start menu- type all these things and it will find none, so then you are tasked with a non-intuitive search filter.  

I just tested your Win 8 start menu search from my ASUS G75 and no it does not produce any DNS query.  BTW I launch all websites (with exception of a complex /directory path) with a run command.

Here is where part of your ignorance lies-  This whole start menu issue was the result of Microsoft marketing department ramming it through so they can unify their brand across all platforms (and get more control of content delivery by default), plain and simple.  If not then they would have simply added a checkbox to revert to the previous start menu.

Don't get me wrong, I like Windows 8 but until they put the previous start menu back through a windows update then I will not be purchasing a license for my workstation.

O and you would not have even one remote clue how to speed up my "work".  Im a pro at this crap, I do this for a living to the tune of $ 115 per hour.  I dont build a computer just for games and then think Im smart because I was able to clean install a new OS like you do son.

 @joshmonus Those modules can be turned off. Live tiles can either be turned into static tiles, or unpinned altogether. So looks like you'd lose money on that one. 

As for your above comment about using the mouse for everything, Windows 8 is just as keyboard-friendly. The Windows key still exists, still works the same way. 

Same goes for searching: yes, it defaults to apps, but one press of the down arrow gets you to the results from settings, and one more for files.

tl;dr It would speed up your "work", but you're too ignorant and jealous to see it. You stay on Windows 7, I'll be cruising along with my sexy, smooth Windows 8.

 @Sakirenn You go ahead and enjoy your full screen cumberness, I prefer the start menu to take up only %10 of my screen not %100.  Just wait until your metro start menu is chock full of feeds, modules, plugings, I will bet $$$ it will start hanging bad.

Windows Key + type in Win 8 defaults to searching apps only, you have to click different categories to re-target the search.  In Win 7 the app/control panel/file/email/snap-in would already be launched. 

As for WAN/LAN shared resources I launch them all from windows key + R or +E.

You like Windows 8, well good for you.  As for me it slows my work & that costs me $.

 @DIGN Here is one, I Never actually click on the start menu with my mouse.  Same goes for launching web pages, local network resources, explorer, applications, shutdown/restart, etc.  If you understood computers like I do, then I shouldn't have had to reiterate that point.  

Keep using your mouse to click on Everything rookie, for me its usually a big waste of time.

 @joshmonus Ok, let's take your standard computer search, keystroke by keystroke, shall we?

Windows 7 - Start button (on keyboard), type your query, maybe a few arrow key presses to get to exactly what you want, enter, done.

Windows 8 - Start button, type your query (yes, you can just start typing), maybe a few arrow key presses to get to exactly what you want, done.

Oh wait! That's exactly the same process, isn't it? Golly, I heard it was so hard to do. 

The key difference, though, is that on Windows 8, you get to search content from EVERYTHING: Your email, any apps you may have installed, even the Internet. You want to Google something, you just hit Start, type your query, click on your browser in the search tab, and voila, one fresh and ridiculously simple Internet search, through the engine of your choosing.

Let's see your Windows 7 do that in less time, Mr. Productivity. Again, just because it looks different doesn't mean it doesn't contain the exact same (and even more) functionality. 

(By the way, any of that functionality can be hidden from the main screen anytime you don't want it, just while we're on this topic. You never use that "My Computer" link on the Start screen? Right click the sucker and hit "Unpin" and you never have to see it again. On Windows 7, you're stuck with it whether you want it or not. It's things like that, that make me favor Windows 8 a bit more.)

 @joshmonus If you're going to say I'm pointing in the wrong direction then show me where I'm not pointing. I've regarded your points, if you believe that I've missed some points then tell me which ones.

 @DIGN  If you are going to respond to my comment you should at least read it, first and foremost.  Then try and interpret it with at least some intelligence (we both have a basic understanding of English, Im assuming), finally you may want to structure your response with some actual regard to my points.

 @joshmonus  @Sakirenn sorry, but if you place your mouse in the top right corner there's a search option.

You say productivity is paramount over appeal then the appeal shouldn't matter only the speed and optimization of the OS and it's assets should matter.

Why should it matter if the start menu is replaced by Microsoft it's going to be the same exact thing, That would be like me getting only ATi/AMD factory produced graphics cards and not touching another brand such as MSi or Sapphire.

 @Sakirenn ' Don't hate on it until you try it'  Ive been running Win 8 on my ASUS ep121 slate since preview release.  

IT consultant here, when im in front of a PC 90%+ of my input is via keyboard.  I use the Win 7 start menu as a quick general search while still being able to see what is on the other 85% of my screen.  I run triple monitor so my sessions have plenty of visual real estate.  

Windows 8 start menu iteration is cumbersome and slows you down if you work like I do.  Productivity is paramount and always takes precedence over visual appeal.  Won't be purchasing a Win 8 license for my desktop until the previous start menu is coded By Microsoft.