@f0361c Playstation Network is a part of the service you get with your Playstation. They need to show the terms and agreements before you pay your playstation.
Sony is apparently already dropping the banhammer on PS3 jailbreakers and pirates in Europe and the US.
Yesterday, Sony announced that it would soon be dropping permanent bans on all PlayStation 3 jailbreak users or those who have pirated software on their computers. The bans would permanently lock out the aforementioned offenders from the PlayStation Network, as well as Sony's Qriocity media network.
Now, users of hacker site PS3Hax are reporting that Sony's banhammer is already dropping in Europe and the US. First, those running custom firmware or using pirated software receive the following e-mail:
"A circumvention device and/or unauthorized or pirated software currently resides on your PlayStation(R)3 system. Immediately cease use and remove all circumvention devices and delete all unauthorized or pirated software from your PlayStation(R)3 system. Failure to do so will result in termination of your access to the PlayStation(R)Network and access to Qriocity(TM) services through your PlayStation(R)3 system."
If offenders do not reformat their hard drives and reinstall the official v3.56 PS3 firmware, they then receive this subsequent e-mail--which some have reportedly received with no warning at all:
"Notice: Access to the PlayStation(R)Network and access to Qriocity(TM) services through your PlayStation (R)3 system has been terminated permanently due to the use of unauthorized circumvention devices and unauthorized or pirated software on your PlayStation(R)3 system. This use violates the terms of both the "System Software License Agreement for the PlayStation(R)3 System" and the "Terms of Services and User Agreement" for the PlayStation(R)Network/Qriocity(TM) and its Community Code of Conduct provision."
Those so banned will then receive error code 8002A227 telling them "You cannot use PlayStation Network with this account" and see the pictured screen (above) when trying to log into PSN.
@jemoedr "Just come live in the European Union, they can't legaly ban you for hacking your console here." "Here they need to show you the Terms and Agreements BEFORE you paid your console and/or games. This never happens thus they are not legal" Sony is not PREVENTING YOU from playing games on your HACKED machine, they are PREVENTING YOU from using the PLAYSTATION NETWORK. YOU need to FIRST accept their "Terms and Agreements" BEFORE you can access it SO THEY CAN BAN YOU FROM THE PLAYSTATION NETWORK... Even in EUROPE.
I don't even know how to hack my PS3.. but I still got a similar message yesterday when I tried to go on line. I had to google to find out that Sony were doing "maintenance" for 11 hours. Did they send me an email? No. I guess I'll send them an email right now to raise the issue. They might come back and that that the "Terms of Services and User Agreement" allow them to place their console outside of the cloud.
Just come live in the European Union, they can't legaly ban you for hacking your console here. Hacking and pirating are two completely different things. You can hack to emulate or run custom software. Pirating is playing illegal games :P though hacks can be used to pirate. Here they need to show you the Terms and Agreements BEFORE you paid your console and/or games. This never happens thus they are not legal :)
i don't know about u guys but in my place there are lots of pirate games for consoles. there even pirate games for xbox360 and wii selling at low price. people at my place also prefer consoles which have pirate games. due to this, ps3 sale at my place is very2 low. when ps3 first released, people at my place including me are super shocked that there are no pirate game for ps3. now that ps3 got hacked, i think ps3 sale would increase. wouldn't it also increase SONY income? why they want to prevent the hack? but that make me feel sorry for game developers cause their hard work to create game will go to waste.
we who own a PS3 are a single group . and fighting with each other is not what you maturity . respect each others ways . FOR WE ARE ONE!
what's wrong guys . everyone just chill . no one sucks , neither Sony nor the Hackers . its a guy's personal decision if he wanna play cheap games or play the original ones. and I own a ps3 but i never worry about the hacks or the bans or bla bla.... i play ps3 to have fun...cursing each other...not gonna make a difference :) . peace out.
well i dont even own a ps3 i admit to being somewhat of a modder/hacker myself but its quite funny seeing both sides fail in some way. sony is banning all modded consoles at a ultra high rate now. but now the hackers are unbanning themselves and banning random psn ids using some kind of program that worms into the psn. so either way, this is gonna be quite a war. well, i guess either sony gives in the towel and early releases a ps4 halfway through ps3 life cycle or they make some kind of update that disables all external programs "worming" into the system.
I love how there are only 2 sets of comments. Comments A revolve around saying "Pirates Suck!" Comments B revolve around saying "I WANT TO PIRATE SONY SUCKS IM GETTING XBAWKS"
Look people, in a perfect world hacking a system and allowing it to run different software...etc would not be a problem. the perfect people of this perfect world would just run homebrew and 3rd party programs and we'd all live happily ever after. Unfortunatly, we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world where hackers who want to open up a system inevitably, and perhaps unintentionalty, provide software pirates with a way to make money illegaly off the hard work of others and ruin our systems. Even if the hackers intentions were good and true, this doesn't change the fact that they open the way for others to break the law. Legaly, that is what you'd call being an accessory to a crime.
@tobbe4321 Dude... I know you won't believe me, I really mean no disrespect/offense... but you are one crazy cookie... Really no offense... i mean, i know we're all crazy a bit... but you seem to take a little more of that cake than need be... You don't vote by chance do you?
With the PS3 getting hacked for AsbestOS and such, I was actually looking forward to buying a PS3 in the near future to replace my ancient desktop. It looks however that I'd gain one and lose one by hacking. Gain a pretty sweet computer (AsbestOS works better than OtherOS due to full video card access and other stuff) but lose any chance at PSN due to the banning. Looks like I'll be waiting a little longer to buy it.
You'd think Sony would have given the banned a nicer backdrop to look at. I could think of a lot of different backdrops they could have used but most of them would have been naughty though.
This crap would have never happened with the PC. Sony should just lick it's wounds and make a new system.
On hacker forum sites iv'e seen that there is a program capable of banning/unbanning consoles. They disguise data sent back through the system as a different console ID and account... So that puts a lot of innocent people in danger of getting banned for no reason.
@A_Belmont I can agree with that, like is said it's a big mess because judges have set major precedence in both ways and I agree that they'd rather go after the people actually copying and selling them in mass and will normally ignore the average consumer...
@ zerabp http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5128652-1.html http://money.usnews.com/money/business-economy/technology/articles/2009/09/30/is-it-legal-to-copy-a-dvd These articles conflict! On one hand, the Cnet article clearly states that copying copyrighted material off of a DVD disk is illegal. However, this article from USN suggests that the act of copying isn't illegal, but the tools used in copying are. So...there's information to support my claim, and there's information to support yours. In the end, the average consumer shouldn't expect to be prosecuted if they've made copies for strictly personal use.
@ A_Belmont Uh no the DMCA covers DVD and "all future mediums and or formats." You are entitled to a legal backup of any medium. The debate about filesharing though is mostly unrelated as you are allowed to do what you want with your property including a digital backup provided your intention is not to profit off it...
As for modded consoles if it's being used to cheat ban them if it's any other type of mod though they should honestly just let it slide as attacking paying customers who bought their console just like the rest of us isn't good for business regardless of how or why they modded it. Eulas btw are not legally enforceable, this is why we have judges ruling both ways on issues like this because you have to be careful about protecting the rights of parties involved and there is no clear answer on most of these issues.
Patents are B.S., Copyright laws to a major degree are B.S. and as sexytyrant pointed out do not prohibit distribution of copyrighted material only the reselling or reshowing of said property for personal gain is prohibited. Is it morally wrong to play a game someone else paid for but decided to share his copy of with all humanity, that's debatable, and i think it honestly depends on the reasoning behind the person who accepts the copy being shared. If they plan on using it to preview the game and there isn't a free demo available, more power to them with the current generation of consoles there is no reason at all not to provide a demo. If they are doing it to save money and play a game for free because they can't afford it well i feel they are in the wrong they aren't entitled to not paying just because they can't afford it. If they are doing it to make a statement about the price of games then it's a gray area and would have to be viewed on a case by case, dev by dev, basis for their statement to be valid or an excuse. If they the distributor are in any way profiting even if it's from web traffic adverts then the person should be prosecuted.
To clarify a point Tyrant and Chief seem to agree on... (at least in the USA, I'm aware that copyright laws aren't universal.) It is illegal to back up or copy any copyrighted content distributed on the DVD format. Even if for personal use, it's still technically illegal. It would take far too much time and resources to actually enforce this law beyond a case here and there, so you're probably not going to get in any trouble if you're not distributing copyrighted content which you have copied. I do not know if Blu-Ray is protected in a similar manner or not, if someone does know, please comment!
dlCHIEF58: LMAO!!!! You lost i'm done debating with you.You just proved that you're a hypocrite time and time again.As soon as you start throwing insults about my spelling grammer meaning that you lost focus and it's not about the topic anymore.You lost this debate.you're a joke and i'm done with you.Have a nice life.God Bless.
@sexytyrant69 Once again you fail simple English comprehension. You state that it is legal to own and play backups of discs. In that aspect you are correct, but in order for it to be a backup, YOU MUST OWN THE ORIGINAL MEDIA! If you don't own the original, then it is an illegal copy. And you claim to not support piracy, yet you are constantly saying it is OK to have a pirated copy of a game to play for personal enjoyment as long as you don't sell it for profit. If that were the case, the RIAA wouldn't be suing people for illegally downloading music. Who's the hypocrite now! And SONY isn't going after Hotz for pirated software because there is no proof that he is using his console for such purposes.
To end this once and for all,and to set the record straight i do NOT support piracy in any way but, i believe when you buy something,it's yours to do whatever you do want to do with it so as long as you don't make a profit off of software that you haven't own,think about it,ever notice that when you downloaded a screener of a movie and it said multiple times,this movie is not to be sold,copied,or distribute for profit.To sell a stolen movie is illegal because your taking away from original sales,of the item.But it's perfectly legal to own a copy for research as what they called it.I mean seriously what can stop a person from modding their PS3.Then go to blockbuster or order from Gamefly copy the game into their HDD and give it back.They pay for their system,They paid to rent the game.If that was the case that would be illegal too.Let me guess??Your moral code.You feel it's wrong so you wont do it.Nothing wrong with that,just don't judge others,since ya'll the same people that say this is wrong,yet downloads a song illegally off the internet.(especially the hard to find ones) that are quick to judge like a bunch of hypocrites.From ya'll definition wrong is wrong.Is it right,No it's not right but the only option that Sony and Microsoft has is to ban modded systems online since it's their servers, their rules. I'm done with this debate especially since i can fully speak my mind with gamespot censoring me like the FCC in a porno.Feel free to respond but i'm not answering back.
I don't care bout this debate.Online debating is different from face to face debating. it's boring.In the end we gonna forget bout this page, cuz we got lives and it's not a big deal to. In hindsight.This is why i said it's a moral debate,a debate that involves the person to do what people believe to be good and believe to be bad.Some peoople think modding is good others think it's bad.and that's a choice to the individual not just you but anyone else who against it ,GET OVER IT. God bless.
TheBest88: Thanl you for telling me something i already know i'm just simply proving a point That it's not illegal to play pirated games only selling them.Think about it why do you think George Hots is only getting sued in court by Sony and not going to jail.instead of simply going to jail for committing a crime???I'll tell you why it's because pirating software isn't illegal it's selling it to others that's what makes it illegal. Also i remember my homeboy who use to have alot of pirated Dreamcast games that was copied from the orginial and put on a CD-R and the dude charged him $5.I also remember this vender who did the same thing at a local flea market .I brought Tenchu form him for $10,same thing (it was a copied game on a blank CD-R,somehow i knew it was illegal so i did some online research only to found out it making backup(pirated games)is perfectly legal but to sell them to make a profit is what makes it illegal.Which all that companies losing money racket you mentioned will come into play.Not only i got my info from the side of law but i got my info from 3 different video game review companies,Gamepro,EGM,and PSN(before Sony used the name,it was a game magazine that specialize in PS1 ,PS2 related games.You can always google it if you don't believe me ,Think about it,what reason i would have to make this up.So i can be right???
Is piracy bad? Of course, no developer deserves to go unpaid for the risk, time, effort, and fiscal investments they have made to develop a product. However, I wish Sony was being kinder to the consumers in this situation. Developers have a clear vested interest in Sony cracking down on piracy loopholes, but a strong negative response against consumers won?t help reduce piracy. Rather, it will reroute piracy to different platforms while demonstrating that when buying Sony Hardware, you won?t just void your warranty for tinkering around with your owned possession, but receive punishment for doing so. Sony products work best when they tap into the talents of consumers, and allow users to input their own content, improving the experience as a whole. Little Big Planet is an example of Sony working hand in hand with consumers to really let us explore our hardware and software purchases. In the future, I hope Sony realizes that sort of partnership with consumers on a more holistic level, replacing this trend of punitive measures on ?naughty? consumers.
@ Muteki_X Sony is/will be doing the same thing with the Move. And at this juncture, it's not so much those that wish to run an alternate OS. After fail0verflow unleashed their hack, cheaters have been using it practically nonstop. As I said earlier, some games were turned almost unplayable because of this.
Digital Trends is reporting that Microsoft is giving dev kits to the Kinect hackers to see what they can do whereas Sony is banning people who wish to run an alternate OS and targeting the hackers who do so. This is why it's so hard for me to like Sony like I used to.
@sexytyrant69 we can mod PC's because there is new software being released on the regular and you would need a new video card to play starcraft 2, or more memory for your music downloads. Car's get modded because they get old, parts break down or people just want a fresh ride. Consoles aren't ours ultimately, we may own the system but not the software inside it. so to mod it to play pirated games is illegal, it's illegal because developers would never profit, console manufacturers would never profit and we would never have another console to succeed the current ones. Case in point the Dreamcast, they sold some but not enough to profit and be able to continue production of the sega console, that and the ps2 blew it out of the water. And they can find out if your system is modded, if you go online they can see on their servers whose ps3 or 360 is modded and whose isn't, it's not about whether you said anything or not. But you say you wouldn't go online with a system so yea that's the only instance in which a manufacturer wouldn't be able to get you on console modding.
Actually those who should be aware are legal users. Sony just can ban a legal user by mistake. If this user used prepaid cards, then this money is probably lost. Sony makes mistakes like this on a daily basis. Regarding the hackers, they don't even care of this PSN.
Modding your console is not the same as pirating games. For comparison's sake, if I remove the region lock from my DVD player so that I can watch films from China or France, how does that hurt any DVD maker/retailer in the U.S.? As long as I'm buying legit discs, then I've done nothing wrong. Likewise, I understand Sony's gripe (or Nintendo's or Microsoft's). Things are best for them when you're using your console to play their $60 games, but if I'm running a Neo-Geo emulator on my system, how does that really hurt them? I don't imagine that it hurts them in a substantive enough way for me to have sympathy over it. Now copying games that you're not paying for, that's just wrong. :-p
It's pretty stupid for all of you that are defending the "Art of the Steal" We all know that hacking and altering your consoles to circumvent the security software isn't suppose to happen. To make this a very short statement; " YOU ELECTRONICALLY SIGNED A T.O.S. AGREEMENT TO THAT EFFECT WHICH ALLOWED YOU ON THE NETWORK OTHERWISE YOU WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN ACCESS...PERIOD! If you don't like the way Sony is doing business XBOX LIVE IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR YOUR HACKING PLEASURE, OH BUT I GUESS YOU CAN'T DO THAT THERE EITHER! If I were Sony I wouldn't just ban you I would sue and that would stop a lot of the stupidity and bullsh*t.
SolanOcard: You twisting my words around.If you by an console,and alter it and mod it in the comfort of your own home.It's your console so as long as go online with it and ruin other people consoles.People does it all the time with PC's and Cars,adding/altering parts that nevered came with the orginal product.It's the same as like owning a knife,or a screwdriver(i know you got some) perfect tools to use (Knife to cut food) and a screwdriver to tighten and loose screws) perfectly legal.so as long as you don't use them and stab a person to death you're fine,or leave it out for a baby to get a hold of it it's fine. How would they know i hacked my system?? I never will go online with it,nor make a profit off of it.The only way they would know if i told.Therefore it's a moral decision.nothing more. But that's not my point i'm trying to point out. My point is when you buy something you can do whatever you want to do with it.You paid for it, it's your product.When i was working a gamestop, at launch day in 06 ,I sold a man a 60 gig PS3. He took it outside and broke it with a sledgehammer just to gloat and piss off the people who waited in line.i was a little bit mad but,it was his system. He paid the $625.71 it didn't matter, if he stupid enough to break it,that's his choice,it's beyond my control all i can do is conplain just like you and everyone else on here is doing.If you cant understand that.Then you not trying to listen.
dlCHIEF58: For me to be jealous of you,you have to own and do something i wish i can do or own,and you have nothing that intrest me.The only thing you got.are BS opinions, a tiny bit of fact,and whole lot of smug morals. Also for the last time to you and your lame supporters.As long as it's still legal to alter/mod your system.your argument is FLAWED,your opinion/facts or whatever you consider yourself trying to do is FLAWED.If you don't believe me look it up.That's what i got my info from.I still got the book that pointed it out.So until you can prove me wrong and not spouting out BS moral opinions.You never won this debate to begin with.
sorry guys, i'm anti-piracy in every way i know a lot of you believe in this jailbreaking stuff but i don't as a PC gamer i see how this hurts my gaming experience everyday, and i would hate to see it hurt console gaming the same way
@ Joshua250 Very Very well thought and you had the balls to write it .. repsect to ya , not like these sony fairy fanboys on this site
@sexytyrant69 wait, you think it is okay if someone mods their console "to play video games or watch movies" that it is okay as long as they are not doing it for profit? It's not okay. Someone is losing money by someone pirating their intellectual property, even if the person doing the pirating does not gain financial (in a way, they did, the 60$ for the game or 12-20$ for movie admission/DVD purchase. So... no, it's not "okay."
Hacking != Pirating, though hacking usually leads to piracy. Except, the piracy is so small that it never affects sales anyway. I mean, if it did, HL2, Halo and now Crysis 2's parent companies/publishers would have died a while ago. Heck, Wii is extremely easy to hack and allow the awesome-ness of emulators, yet its sales are monumental. Same for GBA, GBC and DS - if anything, piracy increases sales. Heck, a game like BlOps is pirated to shreds, yet it still sold (so much so that it's the highest selling game, or something) - with all of that pirating, you'd think gaming would collapse. The amount of pirates vs. people buying the game is so insignificantly small, that it's easy to just pin terrible sales on pirates rather than actually, you know, be accountable for your product. Furthermore, this works for music as well - the artists make more money from live gigs anyway, so the point doesn't apply directly. I love reading gamespot because it's so corporately biased with inane comments and slanted articles that it's easy to justify reading kotaku/slashdot/arstechnica's comments/articles instead. There's more developments in geohotz case, but of course, we don't receive that coverage. Sorry, I'll contribute in a way that gets +1s, "PIRATES SUXX. SONY FTW. BAN THEM PLZ."