Well aren't I the lucky one? Blue, scissors, no problem. But every time I say Six it chooses a different number. Usually it starts with Seven, then tries Eight, Four... then I laugh so much because it's so silly and I can't speak anyway. Definitely the best brain test on the cartridge. And an excellent topic for national television, hurrah!
The BBC's consumer-affairs programme Watchdog has run a report on the popular Dr. Kawashima's Brain Training [Brain Age in the US] game, investigating claims of virtual bias against local dialects. It seems that those with strong regional accents, such as those found in Scotland or Manchester, are...
The BBC's consumer-affairs programme Watchdog has run a report on the popular Dr. Kawashima's Brain Training [Brain Age in the US] game, investigating claims of virtual bias against local dialects.
It seems that those with strong regional accents, such as those found in Scotland or Manchester, are having some issues with being understood by the good doctor.
A radio journalist from Manchester, Michelle Livesey, complained to the show that, "Basically you have to say the different colours that flash up on the screen as quickly as possible. I'm saying 'blue, blue, blue,' and it's saying 'no,' even though it was blue. Then it got to yellow. I'm going, 'yeller,' and everyone's saying to me you need to be a bit posher. You need to say 'yellow,' and as soon as I did, it picked it up."
Nintendo responded to the show's request for comment to say that the game recognises a wide range of accents and dialects, and that the voice-recognition section makes up only a small amount of the game, and is "not integral to the overall enjoyment with such a software title."
In conclusion, it pointed DS users to the advice given in the game's manual...
1. The ideal distance to be from the Nintendo DS system when speaking into the microphone is about 20-30 cm (8-12 inches).
2. Be careful, as the microphone is very sensitive, and shouting or blowing may hinder the voice recognition.
3. The environment should be quiet.
4. Pronounce each word as clearly as possible, and try to avoid using strong dialects or accents.
nebraskans speak perfect english? surely the people who created the english language (THE ENGLISH) would speak perfect english
Of course saying 'yeller' isn't going to work, It's like saying 'blick' and complaining the game is broken...
Defade your a biggot. each country NOT state (or province or every 50 miles) has a perfect form of speech. In america, Nebraska notoriously has no accent. They say words the way they are meant to be said in the english language. Just like there is perfect spanish and perfect french.
If some one speaks with a different accent than you, but your both speaking the same form of the same language (i.e. american english, or europeon english) Then you can't both be right. You could both be wrong, but there IS a correct way to speak in every country, that is considered accent free.
by the way Im from colorado so I'm not defending the ACCENT I have. But that isn't to say I don't know the proper way to say blue, or that I can't fake a different accent.
It would be difficult and near impossible to attempt to calibrate the software so that it would understand everybody's accents. Cut the game some slack! It was built in 90 days and its one of the few games that uses the mic on the ds. In fact this is one of the first few attempts at using the mic in an interactive way, of course theres going to be the odd hicup or 2. The fact that the majority of users not complaining and can use it properly shows that nintendo nor the game had any intentions to 'discriminate'. rather, its an unfortunate event. Besides the linguistic part isn't the main area, there are other exciting brain training excercises.
I love the way EVERYBODY is claiming to have little or no accent.... That is because that screwed up dialect you talk in, is what is "normal" to your ears... MORONS EVERYBODY has an accent.... Go and ask someone who lives 50 miles away from you if you have "No accent"
ya know what they can do if they don't like it?! make their own brain training game, then again if they can't pronounce "yellow" properly they're probably too stupid to do it...
In related news, Kunji Aboga of Kenya complained that his DS didnt recognize yellow when he pronounced it perfectly. In an interview he said "I spoke as clearly as I could, pronouning the color, clik-clik-clu, and it didnt recognize it" :D
And so Lieutenant Commander Scott "Scotty" starts screaming at his DS " I canna do dat Cuptain!! She won't take da strain!!!"
[quote]RaiKageRyu "yeller" Geez, who would have thought? [/quote] Who would have thought what? 'Yella, Yello, and Yeller' are used all over the place, including North America. It's really no different then people in Ohiaaa sayin' Uhrl instead of Oil.
I'm guessing the voice recognition is done on fast fourier transform. I suspect it just matches to the nearest word based on some test data estimates, that would be the standard way of doing it. Of course little Arm processors have no floating point unit so won't be so accurate. They would probably know exactly why it doesn't work at WatchDog. Having some journalistic integrity, they must have done some research as to exactly why the voice recognition is flakey, perhaps asked some one with half a clue. I mean I assume they did and just didn't show it in the report. In fairness they have been on the money in the past about Nintendo boning us in the UK, like on the Zelda collection for the Gamecube. Of course it didn't change anything, they justly whinged about it though.
Helps to have a sense of humour and little less political correctness! I.m certain a lot of Japanese themselves have trouble saying certain words properly but they are not complaining. BBC= Pompous asses!
Mountain out of a molehill.... Seriously, they really think that the game could account for so many different accents, speech patterns, dialects, etc.? Even speech recognition software has a hard time at first and you need to train it.
This isn't discrimination. Discrimination in this game would be the game actually picking up that it's a Scottish or Welsh or Australian or what-have-you accent and the game going "Take off the goddamn bad accent and speak proper English, SWINE!!"
This is just ridiculous. If you can't speak English properly, then don't complain that it doesn't recognize you. It even says right in the game. "Results will be most accurate for native English speakers". And who the heck is complaining that they have to pronounce yellow "yellow" instead of "yeller". YELLER IS A PERSON WHO YELLS, LIKE I'M CONVEYING THAT I'M DOING NOW. IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, "YELLER" DOES NOT MEAN YELLOW, SO STOP COMPLAINING. Edit: I wonder what sort of person thinks that pronouncing yellow how it's actually supposed to be pronounced is "posh"?
LMAO.........no two accent is a like.............but some people is so ignorant, they would laugh if they hear a strange accent. black, white, and asian have different voice tone too.
Actually, I think the program just has horrible voice recognition. I'm an American, born and raised speaking American English. I'm from the middle of the country which has no real noticeable accent. The game couldn't understand me when I said "blue" either.
It must be his accent (if he has one) cause last time I played BA blue was picked up easily. lol "yeller"
Perhaps they should release a "scottish" version, or a "welsh" version.. or, whilst they are at it - they should release a version which pretty much covers every accent and dialect in the UK... that will cover about 50 or 60 copies right there... Cockney rhyming brain training... ;) Imagine Brain training for the "am i bovverd" types of ladies from the south-east?! Sheesh.. i would imagine that this is probably the stupidest "investigation" that has ever graced the TV. Strong accents... what a silly thing to investigate. I doubt that there is a brain training version for people who can't talk... so how about investigating that!!
I have to agree that speaking 'normally', as Zikar pointed out, is not at all a 'posh' thing...... really, the speech rules in the world have gotten so lax that I cannot understand someone from Baltimore (I live less than 40 miles away from there) because they have that 'Bawlmer' accent.
instead of claiming Braintraining is bias, they should claim it teaches you HOW TO SPEAK PROPER ENGLISH. I mean..."yeller"...come on. I think its time to take "yeller" to the old barn and put 'er down.
The best bit was when the woman e-mailed in at the end and complained that she had a heavy lisp and it wouldn't recognise her saying Scissors!! BTW why did campbell keep going on about the DS Nintendo? Not a clue.
Why do people expect things to accomadate their own personal preferences? Its designed to recognize proper English, so speak proper English. I don't go to France and ask them to speak perfect English just because I'm there.
Its sad, but true, though, as well. Although, I just get a kick out of it and end up with the giggles every time I try out the verbal color test for this reason: it almost never recognizes "blue" when I say it, but start saying "brue" and it picks it pu every time. :-P
If the softare was capable of picking up on every dialect and accent, it would likely come up with multiple results for one answer, which wouldn't be good. The best way is just to keep it specific to the most common accent (there is no such thing as "no accent", it's just more common).
Oh good grief - do they think we live on the Starship Enterprise? Voice recognition is crap - the fact that it can recognize anyone East of New York is a miracle, tbh.
I dont spreken ze English good so me buy ze Brain Age and it no understand....me say brain age disccriminiminate....please there claims are trash
I have the Minnesotan accent, which is considered the "perfect English" accent, and even I know the frustration involved with getting the software to recognize "blue".
It is biased against hip-hop artists because it doesn't recognize "yizzle" instead of "yellow" then, too?
I can understand people from England, Can, USA, and Australia fine... anywhere else I'm either guessing or totally loss unless you speak very good english...
How can you fault a game for including the most widely recognized pronunciation? Wouldn't that be the best way to program it? I imagine people speaking pidgin English would not be compensated for. With so many accents in the English language in the UK, North America, and elsewhere, it would be impossible to program a game to understand all accents. Come on.
This is what BBC prime time has to resort to? I say yellow and your say yella, maybe they should bias class status in there as well. And they say gaming journalism has to mature...
This is ot prejudist. You cannot put EVERY dialect on the game, it would take up too much space. Just say it clearly, or dont play. My little brother has the game, I make istekes but it does not matter.
Wow, do they want everyone's accent in there? Thats kind of hard to do. Also, some accents deviate way too much from the english language. Yeller? That was it, that should not be accepted. Because that is not the word!
Manchester.... Scotland. The people from these places can't even understand themselves. What do they expect? Frugal McDougle!!!!
I am from central United States, considered of the English speaking portion of the world to have the least prominent accent and that games till doesn't understand me. The word blue specifically is hard for it to read.
It's not prejudice. Don't expect the game to account for everything. The game just has less-than mediocre recognition skills. The game does the same thing w/ me, & even when my family tried it, multiple times. Brain Age 2 supposedly has a better recognition system. "yeller" lol
this is retarded....first of all, i have a hard time understand the "english" they put in there on the "word blend" european version, since its a really strong british accent - but no-one is complaining about that. theres nothing prejudice about this, but then again, seems that everyone nowadays is looking for something to blame....
watchdog complain about everything under the sun, I didnt watch the show but I wouldnt be suprised if they showed nintendo in a bad light because of this
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