A little insight on the Ratchet and Clan ...
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:26 pm GMT
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Here's more insight of how GS games are reviewed from a post I found from Jeff Gerstmann in General Games Discussion. He spoke on the R&C review which is highlighted at the bottom. He also bashes people who debate over HD-DVD and BluRay and says10's are definitely possible at GS. [url=http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26011973&page=6]LINK[/url]
[QUOTE="Jeff"]
Well, just to quickly address a few things I've seen in this thread...
- Should games be given scores at all?
Yes, most definitely. While some writers like to prattle on about a world without scores, that's a very narrow view. With the millions of people that visit this site in any given month, we encounter a lot of different types of player. Some people have all the time in the world to research a game and devour every single piece of content we produce. Others don't. Some people need that shortcut, and a score provides that quick check for some people that should either let them know that they probably don't need to know much more about a game or that they need to read more before making a purchasing decision. And make no mistake, that is the reason why our reviews exist: to assist people who are considering a game purchase.
- Does giving a game a score promote fanboyism?
Anything anyone does ever promotes the sad mentality that the Internet is fostering. The other day I read a full thread on another site of people arguing about Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD with the exact same idiotic fervor that some people use here to "discuss" video games: by turning message boards into Debate Club Amateur Hour. Think about how insane that is for a minute...
"DUDE MY WAY OF WATCHING MOVIES IS SO MUCHMORE AWESOME AND MARKET SHARE AND ATTACH RATE AND OTHER BUSINESS TERMS THAT NO ONE SHOULD ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT!!!!"
"NO WAY U SUCK MY WAY OF WATCHING MOVIES WILL WIN!!!! ALSO I OWN A MAC SO I ALSO HATE YOU BECAUSE I HATE WINDOZE! DID YOU NOTICEI SPELLED IT WINDOZE ISN'T THAT FUNNY BECAUSE IT MAKES ME SLEEP IT IS SO DUMB! ALSO: MICRO$OFT! SEE WHAT I DID THERE??????"
...it used to be limited to local pockets of people complaining about how the Amiga is better than the PC, but our connected world now allows someone to spew nonsense that the entire globe can read about topics such as "WHY I THINK FIREFOX IS RADICAL AND THEREFORE YOU ARE SUCK." Seriously? We're going to waste time arguing about which freely available web browser is better? The relatively anonymity of the Internet is making the world uglier every day, and it's a real bummer. Also, pointing out that "you can format a disk on an Amiga and still use the OS" was never a very good argument for why it's better than the PC. But all that is probably a little off-topic for this discussion.
- Do review scores exist to help us figure out what to buy/spend our time on, or do they exist to validate our own opinions?
See above. We write reviews to assist people looking to purchase them. If you want to use them to try to validate your own opinions, go for it, but you're using them wrong. We're not here to make people feel better about games they pre-ordered because they saw a sweet trailer. We're here to cut through the TV ads and trailers and all the other stuff out there designed to get you to buy games blindly, and help you spend your money wisely.
"I do agree that a 10 should never be used, even though its in the scale. Main reason being that reviews and scores are subjective. A 10 would imply that a game is so great that everyone will love it and want to play it."
Maybe on your own double-secret personal review scale. On ours, it means that the game couldn't be improved upon in any meaningful way, given current standards for that game's platform. As part of the review change, we relabeled 10.0 as "Prime" instead of "Perfect." The meaning of the score hasn't really changed, but too many people couldn't handle the concept of perfect meaning "perfect... given current standards for that game's platform and blah blah blah blah blah." It was sort of silly and overly confusing that way, I agree. We will give a 10 again someday, by the way. I occasionally see people saying "GameSpot said they'd never give another 10." That's insane and we've never, ever said that.
But this touches on a larger point. Reviews are only a guide. They are not gospel. If you aren't filtering our reviews through your own personal likes and dislikes, you're eventually going to end up missing out on a game you'd like or buying one you hate. We assign reviews to qualified reviewers who are interested in that ****of game and, ideally, enter the review feeling cautiously optimistic about it. So when people say "I only play games that GameSpot gives a 9.0 or higher to," I'm a little bummed out. I mean, thanks for believing in us and all, but really, you're probably missing out on a ton of games that you'd love. If we give a game a 7.0 and it's a type of game that you usually love, you should probably read the review for more information. And while we certainly think extremely highly of a game that gets a 10, even that can't be a guarantee that it'll be one of your favorite games. Except for Tony Hawk 3, of course, which is one of your favorite games.
To use the Review of the Moment as an example, when we give Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction a 7.5, we're not saying it's "average" or something. This isn't school, and a 7.5 doesn't translate to a C+. We're effectively saying that fans of these sorts of action platformers, and to an even greater extent, fans of the Ratchet series, will probably have a blast. But we're also saying that its appeal might not extendso far beyond that group due to issues mentioned in the review text.
And, really, that's the part that makes the whole "disagree with review -> let's riot" mentality so silly. In most cases, we're actually recommending the games that we supposedly "hate" and "were paid to score poorly" or whatever.
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:29 pm GMTtoo bad on a lot of school scales, a 7.5 would be a C-, and even on the 90/80 scale, it will still be a normal C. Poor old Jeff must not have been too bright in his younger days.
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- in before the "Lemspot, gamespot is baised........TP and MP3 are underrated comments"
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:31 pm GMT[QUOTE="LINKloco"]
And while we certainly think extremely highly of a game that gets a 10, even that can't be a guarantee that it'll be one of your favorite games. Except for Tony Hawk 3, of course, which is one of your favorite games.
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I lol'd.
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:31 pm GMT
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good thread- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- GS gave R & C way too low of a score, plain and simple! Everywhere except them gave from 9.0-9.5. I think that says it all.
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:34 pm GMT
I own a Ps3,360,PSP, DSand wii i am KING!!!

how did Zelda TP and MP3 got AA on GS ?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- But the most of the "issues"(too much variety?) in the Ratchet review, weren't actually issues.
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[QUOTE="mtradr43"]too bad on a lot of school scales, a 7.5 would be a C-, and even on the 90/80 scale, it will still be a normal C. Poor old Jeff must not have been too bright in his younger days.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for proving Jeff's point, and within two posts. Awesome. Maybe you should read it again.
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:36 pm GMT
"You can't beat 100 percent" "You can't beat 100 percent"
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:39 pm GMT
Yea, I really see in Aaron's bio he likes Rachet and Clank type games :|- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 2, 2007 1:39 pm GMT
[QUOTE="casey7672"]GS gave R & C way too low of a score, plain and simple! Everywhere except them gave from 9.0-9.5. I think that says it all. [/QUOTE]
No, "everywhere" except them did not give it 9.0-9.5. Gamespotīs score isnīt even the lowest anymore.
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:41 pm GMT
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I like video games thats why I stopped posting in system warsbut sadly most people here dont realize that anything above a 7 is worth playing, they just see anything below an 8 as total crap... so sad really- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jeff owned the fanboys. He was just trying to do it for street cred so people forget about the games he flopped :P
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:43 pm GMT
Challenge my brute if you dare.
[QUOTE="Heil68"]Yea, I really see in Aaron's bio he likes Rachet and Clank type games :|[/QUOTE]
just because he didn't review them doesn't mean he doesn't like them.
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:44 pm GMT
I don't think Gamespot will ever give another 10. It's stupid that it's even there... especially with the 10 point scale. Because if it's a 10, that doesn't necessarily mean it would have been a 10 on the old review scale.
Which is why .5 increments is a stupid idea.
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- [QUOTE="Jeff"]
The meaning of the score hasn't really changed, but too many people couldn't handle the concept of perfect meaning "perfect... given current standards for that game's platform and blah blah blah blah blah." It was sort of silly and overly confusing that way, I agree. We will give a 10 again someday, by the way. I occasionally see people saying "GameSpot said they'd never give another 10." That's insane and we've never, ever said that.
[/QUOTE]Does that mean Crysis will get a 10 ? :D
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- "We're effectively saying that fans of these sorts of action platformers, and to an even greater extent, fans of the Ratchet series, will probably have a blast. But we're also saying that its appeal might not extendso far beyond that group due to issues mentioned in the review text." He makes it sounds as if the review score is a measure of how mass market a game is and that any niche title cannot possibly garner a particularly high score.
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:50 pm GMT
I think a lot of people missed the point of what he was saying. They don't give scores to merit how great the actual game is. They are more concerned about whether the game is good value for your money. They mentioned that due to the amount of variety in the game, many of the elements added to the game felt out of place and unnecessary. They never complained solely that variety was the issue.
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- Nov 2, 2007 1:52 pm GMT
[QUOTE="yodariquo"]"We're effectively saying that fans of these sorts of action platformers, and to an even greater extent, fans of the Ratchet series, will probably have a blast. But we're also saying that its appeal might not extendso far beyond that group due to issues mentioned in the review text." He makes it sounds as if the review score is a measure of how mass market a game is and that any niche title cannot possibly garner a particularly high score.[/QUOTE]
Or he's saying that people generally not into the R&C games probably wouldn't find much value in the game.
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