Hulk VS heller or Mercer who wins,,

While it is entirely hypothetical as you've stated, it does not mean that speculation is completely impossible. Using the basis of certain feats of a specific incarnation of a character, you should be capable establishing a rough level of "power" for that particular case. For example, we might restrict ourselves to Mercer in P1 and examine his various showcases of power in that game, i.e. regenerating from a nuclear blast, defeating Green and the Supreme Hunter, etc. Using that as a measurement, we might compare it to UD's Hulk's actions and or another incarnation if we're so inclined. So on and so forth.

Even further, at times, there are even clear distinctions between the power of characters. Consider the following: I write a fictional story about a squirrel that is enjoying a midsummer's night's dream about acorns. I love my cute character, but I would not argue that it would win in fight with the Hulk just because I "have more love" for it. That is simply illogical. Sure, I could craft some sort of bizarre hypothetical situation where my squirrel would win, but it'd have low chances of occuring and would go against "common sense."
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Detherok posted...

super socrates. you missed my point entirely.

A: you said mercer survived a nuclear attack in the first prototype yet in game on hard mode mercer can be killed by a few punches from a hunter so theres a slight inconsistency with your theory as far as "measuring their feats".

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and please... when respond to this (and i know you will) use something other than pseudo philosophy to make your points please

I'd hate to disappoint and not respond. As for pseudo-philosophy, indeed, since I'm not describing philosophy whatsoever, but rather detailing a process for comparison between characters. Perhaps if I were to be more casual, you'd feel more at ease?

Your points:

Argument 1: Characters exist only within the creator's mind and as such cannot be measured. Physical rules differ between artists.

CA: Examining the characters within their respective worlds and creating a profile of their abilities based on such. For instance, you take a character from a world of magic. You examine his spells, potions, etc. So those spells don't exist in Hulk's universe? It does not matter, we are observing the character within their world from an outside perspective.

Argument 2: Super beings get their strength in a versus fight via fans and their love, meaning that a fan would craft a situation in which their character would win or emphasis certain abilities that would allow victory.

CA: Though this certainly occurs, my example about the squirrel was meant to show that "power" levels do indeed exist. Fan love might create bias, but even so there are characters that logically should not be able to win no matter the situation.



A. As for the example you brought up about Mercer's regeneration, I said to examine specific incarnations. In this case, a cutscene/story Mercer versus a gameplay one. They have separate power levels for the purpose of balance. You can certainly do an integrated examination of the character overall, but that's rather difficult due to inconsistencies as you've stated.

B. Then your creature would be more powerful than the Hulk. That is simply how it is. Its strength and power is only limited by the creator's imagination so if you've attributed to it immense power within the confines of its world, then that will be a part of its profile to compared to the Hulk's.

For example, You might consider a "puffball" from a dimension where there is no gravity, no planets, nothing except a swirling collective consciousness of puffballs. The physical rules there are certainly different from Hulk's world, but we can still create a profile for the puffball (intangibility, levitation, etc.).

I'll concede that a unified universe with consistent rules would make comparison a much easier task, but this works as rudimentary framework. I'd like to state however that most humans have a hard time imagining a reality with completely different physics beyond the actual one. There is usually some semblance of real world physical rules. It does require judgment though to determine if the universes are similar enough to warrant character comparison. I'd say in this case that it's allowable to compare Mercer and Hulk.

Detherok, I think you missed my point entirely. And sir, please remain cordial. I meant you no ill will nor do I look down on your view in anyway. I only wished to respectfully express disagreement. I thank you for the concise argument and will agree to disagree since I'm afraid we've reached an impasse.
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Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.