C/D: Jack Marston is the...

Hey, greggary. I know that I said I would not even look again, but curiosity killed the cat. LOL

You're right. That was not the real me. You really hit me HARD where it hurt with what you said. I still stand by my opinion. You are right that I never let others tell me what to think.

When I was in high school (grad 1993), the big TV show was "Beverly Hills 90210" and Jason Priestly and Luke Perry were the "teen dreams" (remember that phrase?). I hated that show and thought those actors were so ugly (still think that). I liked "Renegade" (a show about modern-day bounty-hunters). The girls loathed me for that. They mocked me, bullied me, and tried to get me to change my mind. I never did. Instead, I used the name-calling and wrong methods.
It didnt work then and it doesnt work now.

My best friend (in real life, not online) and I seldom agree on anything. We never call names and we are able to disagree without ripping each others' throats out. (For example, she is a big-time gun control advocate and I support Americans rights to own guns; we like different movies, actors, musicians, etc; yes, we like some same things, such as Denzel Washington and Bruce Campbell works.)

You're absolutely right, greggary. I was raised better than this. My father is Pastor of a great church (Baptist) and I know he would not be happy with my methods. Even though I am an adult, I don't want to make him displeased with me. I can indeed stand up for myself without the name-calling. Thanks for reminding me.

I have an 11-year-old daughter and 8-year-old son and I need to set an example for them. I don't want them to start name-calling or be bullies. And my husband and I do home-school them. My boy has had trouble with "immature" adults who disagree that my husband and I let him wear long hair (my husband has long hair too). So, I have had experience with adults who try too hard. If you heard the things they say to me, you would likely believe them also to be teens or children.

To riddle: I do apologize.
I still think you were trying too hard, but it still does not condone the names I called you.
You may read this and think "hypocrite" or laugh at me, but I am sincere. I still would not want to be your friend or girlfriend if we knew one another or were closer in age or if I were single (I don't know your age, but you don't sound like you're in your thirties and I am happily married). I do hope that you try to accept the opinions of others.

Have a great week, everyone. And lets try to be civil to one another... everyone.
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PS- I edited a previous post that was marked. I believe this time it is OK. No name-calling or offensive material or foul language in it. Here...

*Gee lets see...how about murdering a federal agent for one thing? Yeah sure, Ross gave the order for John to die, but even then, killing him can't not make you an outlaw.

That is true. But he seemed to regret it once he did it. Watch his reaction. And nothing is said after that by anyone that suggests they know WHO killed Ross. As far as people know, it could have been Mexican rebels, or Reyes even. (And he was not an agent anymore... retired.)

*And then again, even if you have high honor, some of Jack's dialogue while playing as him suggest he's an outlaw, so he's already a "bad guy"

Jack robbed nothing and killed ONE man (at the time you start as him). After that its all up to the player.

*And then of course there's whatever he's done before returning to Beachers Hope and going out to kill Ross, since we don't see what goes on during those three years, we can't say what did and didn't happen, but seeing as it's heavily implied that Jack is an outlaw in 1914, he most likely was becoming an outlaw during those three years.

How do we know he left the farm? Where is his big bounty when you start as Jack? Why isnt there somthing in the papers that "John Martson's son on robbery spree" or something? He was obviously at the farm when Abigail passed. Maybe he was too depressed to leave for those 3 years? How long was Abigail sick? He had to take care of her. There was nobody else to do so. None of these are implied one way or another. We have no idea what happened during that time. Maybe Jack stayed to keep his mother happy and run the farm while she was alive?

*And finally there's the attitude of John and Jack, stealing, killing innocents, and other criminal stuff were something that John wouldn't do, it's a whole different story for Jack.

Jack does not like to kill innocents. I never hear him say its fun or that they deserve it. He does express anger at law enfrocement when you shoot them because he hates them and blames them for his fathers death (You killed my Pa!)
And John killed many innocent people and robbed lots of banks and trains. Hello?!?!
Where is Jack's gang?
Even if Jack is a "bad guy" to start with, he could also turn it around just like John did.

*So far these are all things hinted at in the game, since you have to kill Ross to get the ending, and Jack's own dialogue, that's the game saying Jack is an outlaw, not what the player does and does not do, and seeing as story wise is really the only thing that can be taken as what really goes on, the story is very well hinting at Jack either already being, or becoming an outlaw.

Are we hearing the same thing? I never hear him say he likes killing or robbing. I hunt bounties with him and he kills the friends in self-defense. Its them or Jack.
When he helps people, he expresses sincerely that he was glad to help. Isnt that a good thing?
Some of his dialogue is also sarcastic. Listen close.
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