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you know, im trying to figure out why ryu's cr.mk is so "good". like 0 on hit and -3 on block.
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mrgreen55 posted...

From: Chain_Strike | #202
you know, im trying to figure out why ryu's cr.mk is so "good". like 0 on hit and -3 on block.
Because of the range, active for a good period of time, goes under a lot of jump-ins and it's cancellable.

Not hard to tell why it's good at all.

it's range....meh, active frames 5 that's good....being cancelable....that's just asking for a reversal to the face. he goes for a donkey kick he's getting shutout...hadoken? shutout. srk? shutout....tatsu? shutout...hadoken charge cancel? ...poked out. however does his hurtbox shrink that much? I don't it actually shrinks it at all.
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mrgreen55 posted...

From: Chain_Strike | #204
mrgreen55 posted...

From: Chain_Strike | #202
you know, im trying to figure out why ryu's cr.mk is so "good". like 0 on hit and -3 on block.
Because of the range, active for a good period of time, goes under a lot of jump-ins and it's cancellable.

Not hard to tell why it's good at all.

it's range....meh, active frames 5 that's good....being cancelable....that's just asking for a reversal to the face. he goes for a donkey kick he's getting shutout...hadoken? shutout. srk? shutout....tatsu? shutout...hadoken charge cancel? ...poked out. however does his hurtbox shrink that much? I don't it actually shrinks it at all.


Yeah man, c.mk xx hadouken gets reversalled so much, that's why you don't see anybody do it anymore cuz it's so unsafe...and his SRK is so bad with its 3 frame startup. If only c.mk > SRK was an actual blockstring for a safe-tag option...

Wait...

And yes, his hurtbox does shrink a lot.

that's why most characters can blow through it right? even on hit....people do it all the time because they think they can get away with it. hell evne yoshi can stuff it. I don't think it can pass under projectiles though
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mrgreen55 posted...

From: Chain_Strike | #206
mrgreen55 posted...

From: Chain_Strike | #204
mrgreen55 posted...

From: Chain_Strike | #202
you know, im trying to figure out why ryu's cr.mk is so "good". like 0 on hit and -3 on block.
Because of the range, active for a good period of time, goes under a lot of jump-ins and it's cancellable.

Not hard to tell why it's good at all.

it's range....meh, active frames 5 that's good....being cancelable....that's just asking for a reversal to the face. he goes for a donkey kick he's getting shutout...hadoken? shutout. srk? shutout....tatsu? shutout...hadoken charge cancel? ...poked out. however does his hurtbox shrink that much? I don't it actually shrinks it at all.


Yeah man, c.mk xx hadouken gets reversalled so much, that's why you don't see anybody do it anymore cuz it's so unsafe...and his SRK is so bad with its 3 frame startup. If only c.mk > SRK was an actual blockstring for a safe-tag option...

Wait...

And yes, his hurtbox does shrink a lot.

that's why most characters can blow through it right? even on hit....people do it all the time because they think they can get away with it. hell evne yoshi can stuff it. I don't think it can pass under projectiles though


You're missing the point entirely. It's a total risk to try and stuff a hadouken that might not even come out, and instead whiffing whatever you're using to try and stuff with.

But yeah, his sweep is generally better for that blockstring anyways.

risk? hadoken starts ups in 13 frames. you could jab outta that and if he wants a to HCC that then he's poked. and if he wants to block after then he's getting pressured. ive pondering this for a while now. ive been thinking "what makes it so good?"
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still being 0 on hit isn't exactly a good thing. Im still scratching my chin on it. maybe im overthinking it too much.....i get like that sometimes. hmmmmmm
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solidoutlaw posted...

Chain_Strike posted...

still being 0 on hit isn't exactly a good thing. Im still scratching my chin on it. maybe im overthinking it too much.....i get like that sometimes. hmmmmmm

A lot of medium and heavy normals are unsafe on hit, because their meant to be cancelled on hit. You're just looking into it too much.

ya probably. ugh....its a somewhat of a bad habit
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solidoutlaw posted...

Bump.

hmmm, let's see....oh i know...does Bison's charges take longer then Guile's and vega's? It seems like it does.
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solidoutlaw posted...

Bison sucks. I love it. What's Vega's damage output like? I've only played a handful.

And charge times in general were extended from SSF4, though if Bison has a longer one, I don't know but I doubt it.

Vega's output? dunno. on bison...It seems like they take longer. I have 0 evidence to back it though. if only he wasn't a charge character...i would main him instantly.
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