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iDefinition

Feb 1, 2013 8:08 am GMT
ShimmerMan posted...
Now to actually complain about a developer handing you free features for a game months after its release.. That does reek of spoiltness, especially when considering Bethesda also gives the community modding tools which adds to the game. Many other developers would not do the same.

Useless feature = better not have it at all. It's basically the difference between the "real deal" and some ripoff. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ULEr6dWjo

Yeah they gave us modding tools, but it's not the first time. And it took them 4 months. Even without them, people still made mods. And if you want to put anything past your average skimpy outfit mod, you'd need a script extender.

In fact they haven't done anything past their usual. Release a "skeleton game", release a mod maker, DLC, a few patches, and that's it. The fact they did more than what your average game developers does (truly disgraceful) is nothing special, especially by their own "standard". Don't lower your standards because most companies don't. It's nice Bethesda gives us those, but really what they do should be the minimum consumers get.

Lastly, they can release much more than a horribly impractical mounted combat. Look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SE5owAIPmk&feature=player_embedded. Done in a week. Doesn't that look pretty nice? The mounted combat looks like it was done in an hour.
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Knighted_Dragon

Feb 1, 2013 8:54 am GMT
From: ELDuran | Posted: 2/1/2013 9:42:43 AM | #019
Cut Bethesda some slack, at least they hear us out and do something about it, even if sometimes it comes out all wrong. But I'll take that over NOTHING everytime.

Just saying...

It's nice that they are at least trying /pretending to try, but IMO at least, the DLC is pretty sub par. Anybody who has been gaming for more than 4-5 years is probably disapointed with the DLC too. It was far over priced, barely added anything, and just teased us by letting us know they knew what we wanted but just didn't want to bother making it. Spears with spear animations have already been made by Bethesda, it was in that video where they took a week to just do what ever they wanted, they could have added those in the DLC no problem. Instead they charge ridiculous prices and add a mockery of a spear.

They "patch" the game and try to fix bugs by breaking the entire game and barely fixing any bugs while doing so. Unoffical patches fix FAR more bugs than Bethesda does, it would be extremely easy for them to just take the freaking Unoffical patch and release that instead of their broken ones but they don't do that either. DLC for all games has been steadily getting worse and worse and people keep paying higher and higher prices for it. Here's a four hour quest and two new armors for only $25.99! It's a steal!
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ShimmerMan

Feb 1, 2013 10:29 am GMT
lol what a bunch of cry babies.

they patch the game and break it..

This horse combat is not the real deal, look at this video of an iphone for comparison. It's not fair I say!..

They give us modding tools but.. ...it took four months. FOUR FRIGGIN MONTHS!! to be able to add unlimited content to this already stellar $60 game. I don't ask for much from developers, just give me a good game.... and the tools you used to create it. but I also want patches ....and FREE STUFF. I must have free stuff and DLC... good DLC... no map packs and no ten hour campaigns. When I spend $20 on DLC I want FIVE HUNDRED HOURS of gameplay. I mUST HAVE IT.
ghostly12

Feb 1, 2013 10:28 am GMT
Waah, Waahhh somebody doesn't like something I like because they have a better sense of money. WAAAH you can't complain about a company because they gave you a free cheaply made pen, WAAAAH
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CRABSOFDOOM

Feb 1, 2013 11:32 am GMT
ghostly12 posted...
Waah, Waahhh somebody doesn't like something I like because they have a better sense of money. WAAAH you can't complain about a company because they gave you a free cheaply made pen, WAAAAH

and they say hating the new age gamers is wrong ha
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jonas66

Feb 1, 2013 12:43 pm GMT
The Master said: "It is easier to stubbornly claim that your expectations were not met, than it is to evaluate whether your expectations were fair in the first place."

-- Confucius, Analects Book 1 : 12

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RayIeigh

Feb 1, 2013 1:01 pm GMT
From: jonas66 | Posted: 2/1/2013 2:43:28 PM | #026
The Master said: "It is easier to stubbornly claim that your expectations were not met, than it is to evaluate whether your expectations were fair in the first place."

-- Confucius, Analects Book 1 : 12

(not real)

It's pretty fair to say the DLC weren't good over all. A good idea to find out if it's worth the money is to make sure you can get at least two hours of enjoyment per dollar you spend on it. The DLC is what, 15 or 20 dollars? You aren't getting 30-40 hours out of Dawnguard. Serena is a nice follower, but that's about all it really added. The vampire lord and werewolf suck compared to just using being Dragonborn, the items are all pretty meh, the areas it added are places you will never, ever go besides just for the quests. Overall , it just isn't a good DLC.

Shivering Isles was 30 dollars, and you could EASILY get 60+ hours of play out of Shivering Isles. The area was amazing all together and the items were all very good. It was well worth 30 dollars, which is half the price of a game, because it added half a games worth of content. Dawnguard is 1/3 the cost of a game, but if a game was released with only the content in Dawnguard it would be a subpar game, 4-5 hours of story, a few boring areas you will never go to again, some crappy armor, a transformation that is pretty cool for about half an hour etc.
SlashmanSG

Feb 1, 2013 1:15 pm GMT
From: RayIeigh | #027
A good idea to find out if it's worth the money is to make sure you can get at least two hours of enjoyment per dollar you spend on it.

That's the first time I've heard this. The general rule I've heard for years is $1 = 1 hour, and I got that from Dawnguard. If you think the Dawnguard/vampire quest is all that was added you're delusional.
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RayIeigh

Feb 1, 2013 1:52 pm GMT
Even if you only want to get an hour per dollar (which is not very good) the DLC still isn't close to 20 hours long. Tell me, besides the quests, a couple of areas no one will ever go back to, and some mediocre armor, what did Dawnguard add that was so amazing?
HadukenGod2

Feb 1, 2013 3:00 pm GMT
shut up
youll all be the first to pony up $20 for dragonborn as soon as its downloadable
shut the f*** up
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ghostly12

Feb 1, 2013 3:10 pm GMT
From: HadukenGod2 | Posted: 2/1/2013 5:00:32 PM | #030
shut up
youll all be the first to pony up $20 for dragonborn as soon as its downloadable
shut the f*** up

Very compelling argument you have there. But no, I won't. It doesn't add anything I want, definitely not for 20 dollars I could get multiple full sized games for that on Steam. That's the difference between a console gamer and PC gamer though, console gamers have no choice, they can't just download mods that add more stuff than the DLC and console game are always 30+ dollars even years after they come out. With Steam you can get 4-5 complete games for 20 dollars if you wait for a sale. That's not just cheap indie games either, that's real big name games and that would be hundreds and hundreds of hours of play time vs 4-8 hours for Dragonborn.
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iDefinition

Feb 1, 2013 3:41 pm GMT
Call the fire department, seems like this thread is headed straight to a flamewar.
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Itachi62

Feb 1, 2013 5:59 pm GMT
Why are people complaining that anyone has any criticism or complaints over the game whatsoever? God forbid that someone question a product they paid for. If people didn't complain then developers would never change anything in sequels. Look at how J.E Sawyer reacts to criticism -- if people complain whether it's justified or not, it's a product they paid for and they deserve to be able to complain, and although not all of the time, a lot of the time it means they have done something wrong. I'd also like to quote him when he said "if you can't take the heat, get out of the industry" in regards to developers not caring about what fans think.

If you seriously think it's "new gamers" complaining you haven't been gaming very long. People have always complained. I doubt anyone who complains about "new gamers" complaining is actually old enough to remember things like people complaining on forums all day long that Morrowind sucks compared to Daggerfall (which no one now even seems to think ever happened) or to remember the absolute outrage when the Warcraft series became an MMO (which everyone seems to know of but no one remembers).

There is absolutely no such thing as "people having no right to complain." If people don't like something devs did, they don't like it. Likewise, it isn't unreasonable expectations to expect developers to keep up to the quality of their past games or to match the standards of some old 90s CRPGs that people worship, because most of these are stemming from design philosophies and the way the project is lead.
pyro_bunta

Feb 1, 2013 6:22 pm GMT
The thing is, you need SOMETHING to back up you're argument. Bethesda sucks? Then WHY? Why they don't suck? Explain.

Don't go barging in like genius over here:

HadukenGod2 posted...
shut up
youll all be the first to pony up $20 for dragonborn as soon as its downloadable
shut the f*** up

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ghostly12

Feb 1, 2013 6:26 pm GMT
The majority of the arguments for why the DLC is poor quality HAVE been backed up, it's just the people saying that we should just be happy they support the game that aren't backing their argument up. Yeah, I'm happy they still support the game, but no, I'm not going to cut them slack for it. You know why they are supporting the game? They are a business and they want to make money. They do that, by selling the game and selling DLC. Selling DLC is fine if the DLC is actually worth the price to buy it, which it rarely ever is
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pyro_bunta

Feb 1, 2013 6:53 pm GMT
ghostly12 posted...
The majority of the arguments for why the DLC is poor quality HAVE been backed up, it's just the people saying that we should just be happy they support the game that aren't backing their argument up. Yeah, I'm happy they still support the game, but no, I'm not going to cut them slack for it. You know why they are supporting the game? They are a business and they want to make money. They do that, by selling the game and selling DLC. Selling DLC is fine if the DLC is actually worth the price to buy it, which it rarely ever is

Yeah I agree, but for most of the part I have a problem with vanilla game itself rather than the DLCs. The last post was directed to guys who are acting like Bethesda drones. You can't deny that Beth didn't do a good job.
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ShimmerMan

Feb 1, 2013 8:48 pm GMT
it's funny how people think they should get 40 hours of content from a $20 DLC pack..

This is what Dawnguard added ( I didn't type this btw because I'm busy and about to go and haloof with my supermodel girlfriend).

Factions

The two main factions central to the add-on are the Dawnguard, an order of vampire hunters dedicated to eradicating Vampires, and the Volkihar Clan a shadowy group of Vampires who seek to blot out the sun.

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Quests

The main questline consists of 12 quests that take place across Skyrim and beyond. 9 side quests for each faction are available along with 4 additional side quests that are unrelated to the storyline.

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Characters

Over 80 new characters are introduced in the add-on, most of whom are members of the newly added factions.

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Locations

23 new locations are included throughout Skyrim, including 2 large completely new areas: The Soul Cairn and Forgotten Vale.

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Creatures

Several creatures and variants of existing creatures are added, including the new maximum level Legendary Dragon, Frost Giant and Chaurus Hunter.

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Magic

A plethora of Dragon shouts, blessings and spells are introduced along will full perk trees for Lycanthropy and the Vampire Lord.

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Weapons

19 new weapons, including the long awaited Dragonbone Weapons set, along with a variety of crossbow bolts and arrows.

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Armor

5 new armor sets are introduced into the add-on, not to mention several unique pieces in both light and heavy variants.

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Items

5 new alchemy ingredients, several new books and pieces of jewelry along with some unique items.

Perks
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Power of the Grave
Detect All Creatures
Power of the Grave
Mist Form
Detect All Creatures
Supernatural Reflexes
Mist Form
Blood Healing
Power of the Grave
Unearthly Will
Power of the Grave
Poison Talons
Unearthly Will/Blood Healing
Night Cloak
Poison Talons
Vampiric Grip
Power of the Grave
Summon Gargoyle
Vampiric Grip
Corpse Curse
Summon Gargoyle
Bestial Strength
Totem of Ice Brothers
Bestial Strength
Totem of the Predator
Bestial Strength
Totem of Terror
Bestial Strength
Totem of the Moon
Totem of Ice Brothers
Animal Vigor
Bestial Strength
Gorging
Animal Vigor
Savage Feeding

Thisis a bad deal for DLC? Lol.... Go and look at what other developers hand out for DLC and then complain.
OldDirtyCR

Feb 1, 2013 9:57 pm GMT
RayIeigh posted...
From: jonas66 | Posted: 2/1/2013 2:43:28 PM | #026
The Master said: "It is easier to stubbornly claim that your expectations were not met, than it is to evaluate whether your expectations were fair in the first place."

-- Confucius, Analects Book 1 : 12

(not real)

It's pretty fair to say the DLC weren't good over all. A good idea to find out if it's worth the money is to make sure you can get at least two hours of enjoyment per dollar you spend on it. The DLC is what, 15 or 20 dollars? You aren't getting 30-40 hours out of Dawnguard. Serena is a nice follower, but that's about all it really added. The vampire lord and werewolf suck compared to just using being Dragonborn, the items are all pretty meh, the areas it added are places you will never, ever go besides just for the quests. Overall , it just isn't a good DLC.

Shivering Isles was 30 dollars, and you could EASILY get 60+ hours of play out of Shivering Isles. The area was amazing all together and the items were all very good. It was well worth 30 dollars, which is half the price of a game, because it added half a games worth of content. Dawnguard is 1/3 the cost of a game, but if a game was released with only the content in Dawnguard it would be a subpar game, 4-5 hours of story, a few boring areas you will never go to again, some crappy armor, a transformation that is pretty cool for about half an hour etc.

two hours of enjoyment per dollar spent... So I should be getting 120 hours out of every new game I buy at $60... I guess 99.99% of games ever released have been a colossal waste of money.
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ArkhamEscapee

Feb 1, 2013 10:43 pm GMT
RayIeigh posted...
Even if you only want to get an hour per dollar (which is not very good) the DLC still isn't close to 20 hours long. Tell me, besides the quests, a couple of areas no one will ever go back to, and some mediocre armor, what did Dawnguard add that was so amazing?

You're being massively unfair here, though. Dawngaurd added plenty beyond the quests. It added new weapons -- I'll get plenty of enjoyment from messing around with crossbows in non-DG quests. It added Dragonbone weapons -- same deal. It added a werewolf Perk tree. It added Vampire Lords.

I'd have to say that yeah, I've gotten "forty hours of enjoyment" out of Dawngaurd, and I've barely even touched the main quest.
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Itachi62

Feb 1, 2013 11:38 pm GMT
From: pyro_bunta | #034
The thing is, you need SOMETHING to back up you're argument. Bethesda sucks? Then WHY? Why they don't suck? Explain.

No. If someone is complaining and not listing reasons, it still says they're not happy. It doesn't let anyone know what's wrong, but if enough people complain without listing why, it still says something is wrong.