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I want to set some story details straight - Geese's fate.

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LordRattergun

Dec 24, 2012 3:00 pm GMT
Okay, as far as I'm aware, there are three main timelines in KoF. One of the biggest differences in the timelines is what happens to Geese.

1. Fatal Fury timeline. This includes FF 1 to 3, Art of Fighting 1 to 3 (although no one ever mentions 3 again...) and Garou: Mark of the Wolves.

- At the end of FF1, Terry wins against Geese and punches him off the tower in revenge for his father's death. Geese dies. However, although FF2 confirms his death, FF Special seems to be wishy washy about it and brings Geese back. I'm pretty sure this is non canon.
Then FF3 brings Geese back AGAIN, and it's starting to be very strange. Is it another "what if"? Or is it due to the Phoenix Scrolls than the Jin brothers were looking for? If that's so, why is Geese dead for good in Garou? Did Terry decide to finish the job once and for all?

2. King of Fighters timeline. This includes FF1 (and maybe the sequels), AoF1 (maybe the sequels) and every KoF game. Garou is ignored, but the characters that aren't Rock Howard exist and are the appropriate ages.

- From what I gather, this time during FF1, Terry tries to help Geese before he falls from the tower, Geese refuses and falls, but is made of tougher stuff since he eventually recovers for KoF 96.

Geese then decides to sit behind the scenes and let Billy do all of the work. Still alive.

3. Maximum Impact timeline. Totally new thing that's basically a merging of FF, KoF and Garou, with a small amount of AoF thrown in there.

- Before the games are set, Terry trumps Geese as usual, but decides to spare his life, with no tower throwing shenanigans. Having been thoroughly humiliated, Geese tosses himself off the tower several days later in depression, and dies. This sets up for Jivatma's organisation taking over Southtown, and a really pissed off Billy. And all of that stuff with Alba Meira, but no one likes him anyway.

Does that all sound right? Can someone clear up the Fatal Fury confusion?
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Neoprime616

Dec 24, 2012 11:21 pm GMT
Timeline for Geese Howard:

The Super Spy-? don't know were it fits into timeline-
(Geese is called "King", he's a terrorist)

Art of Fighting 1-1980-
(Geese sets up the events, Ryo declares/prepares for revenge)

Art of Fighting 2-1981-
(Geese creates the "King of Fighters" tournament, gets bet by Ryo, he's only a secret boss in reference to Ryo in Fatal Fury Special as secret boss also)

Fatal Fury/Wild Ambition-1991-
(Geese gets beats by Terry, he was the boss)

Fatal Fury 2/Special-1992-
(Geese is mention to be dead, Wolfgang creates the KoF tournament international,
no longer in only Southtown, he is a boss in speical)

King of Fighters '94-1994-
(Geese only makes a cameo, it shows he has an eye on the KoF tournaments, meaning hes alive)
Fatal Fury 3(Geese survives, but is look for the Power Scrolls for more power, he is a boss before fighting the Jin twins, and Yamazaki)

King of Fighters '95-1995-(Geese sends Billy, Iori, Eiji to the KoF' 95 tournament, Iori injurys both his partners)

King of Fighters '96-1996-
(Geese creates the boss team with Mr. Big, Wolfgang, wants the Orochi power)
Real Bout: Fatal Fury(Geese either gets power scrolls, but loses, thought of being dead,
cpu boss geese plays different and has old music back)

King of Fighters '97-1997-
(Geese send Blue Mary, Billy, Yamazaki to KoF, he finds out Yamazaki is Orochi, but realizes he can't control him)
Real Bout: Fatal Fury Speical(Geese is dead, in this dreammatch, Nightmare Geese exist, and is the secret boss)
Real Bout: Fatal Fury Speical gameboy(Iori is a secret boss, reference)

Real Bout: Fatal Fury 2-1998-
(Geese has died again, RBFF2 is a loose dreammatch)
Real Bout: Fatal Fury Speical Dominated Minds(Geese is back N.Geese, White has takin over Southtown, and is the Last boss)
King of Fighters '98 UM(Geese is part of the Boss team, Iori team is also a mid-boss referance, Geese has N.Geese version of him in this game, meaning his dead)
King of Fighters Ex(Geese is the last boss, Iori is Mid-boss, Geese wants Iori Orochi power)

King of Fighters 2000-2000-
(Second Southtown is destroy by NESTES)

King of Fighters 2002 UM-2002-
(Geese is a boss, and has Nightmare version, meaning his still dead)

King of Fighters 2003-2003-
(?-have to do reserch)

King of Fighters XI-2004-
(?-have to do reserch)

King of Fighters 2006-2006-
(Thats Nightmare Geese, meaning his still dead, Rock Howard is playable)

King of Fighters Regulation A-2007-
(?)

Garou: Mark of the Woves-2008-
(Rock Howards on game, Second Southtown)

have to research for the rest, but this is how should go for Geese.
Neoprime616

Dec 24, 2012 11:35 pm GMT
Anotherthing that points to Geese being alive post 1998 is in KoF 2000 his striker doesn't fade away after it attacks, if it fades like the Orochi striker thats telling you their dead.
FameDouglas

Dec 26, 2012 6:10 am GMT
What about that whole Billy sayin that Iori is Geese in KOF 95? I'm curious as to what that was all about.
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Neoprime616

Dec 26, 2012 3:19 pm GMT
FameDouglas posted...
What about that whole Billy sayin that Iori is Geese in KOF 95? I'm curious as to what that was all about.

When did Billy say this, in the ending, what?
FameDouglas

Dec 26, 2012 8:21 pm GMT
Yeah, in Yagami Team ending in KOF 95 when Iori attacked Billy and Eiji.
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Neoprime616

Dec 27, 2012 7:59 am GMT
FameDouglas posted...
Yeah, in Yagami Team ending in KOF 95 when Iori attacked Billy and Eiji.

I think it's a translation error or something.
JRG1

Dec 27, 2012 8:17 pm GMT
I refuse to count Maximum Impact as canon.
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Splatterhouse5

Jan 2, 2013 3:42 am GMT
LordRattergun posted...
there are three main timelines in KoF.

That's just fancruft. Don't buy into it.

In the original Fatal Fury, Terry defeats Billy to win the King of Fighters tournament. This earns him a face-to-face with Geese. They fight until Terry kicks Geese off the shrine atop Geese Tower. Terry believes Geese to have died in the fall.

In Fatal Fury 3's backstory, Geese secretly survived the fall and went into intensive training. The game's intro shows his return to Southtown.

In Real Bout Fatal Fury's backstory, Geese has acquired the scrolls of immortality that the Jin twins had been searching Southtown for in Fatal Fury 3. He tells Billy to burn them, then holds another KOF tournament. Terry again ends up facing Geese atop the tower and wins, blasting Geese off with a Power Geyser. This time, Terry grabs Geese's arm to save the guy. Geese looks up at him with pure hatred, then smiles and shakes free of Terry's grip, laughing all the way to the ground. Again, Terry believes Geese to have died in the fall.

You can check out playthroughs of FF & RBFF on YouTube if you want to see both of Geese's swan dives for yourself. I'm not sure where you're getting the other versions of his plummets you describe in your posts from... they sure didn't happen in any of SNK's games or their accompanying material.

In the second Mr. Karate's Maximum Impact 2 prologue, which you unlock by beating the game as him, Ryo thinks back on his fight with Geese at the end of Art of Fighting 2. His meditation is interrupted by Terry. They talk for a while, and Ryo admits he never considered that AOF2 Geese fight a victory. With Geese apparently dead, Ryo can't exactly get a rematch, so he decides to challenge "the person who beat him twice."

As for Garou, it opens showing the same scenes of Geese's second fall from RBFF's ending.
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Vincent_Vincent

Jan 20, 2013 12:41 pm GMT
Splatterhouse5 posted...
In the second Mr. Karate's Maximum Impact 2 prologue, which you unlock by beating the game as him, Ryo thinks back on his fight with Geese at the end of Art of Fighting 2. His meditation is interrupted by Terry. They talk for a while, and Ryo admits he never considered that AOF2 Geese fight a victory. With Geese apparently dead, Ryo can't exactly get a rematch, so he decides to challenge "the person who beat him twice."

Why is that? why does he not consider it a victory? also is there a YT link for the 2nd prologue???
Splatterhouse5

Jan 20, 2013 7:24 pm GMT
The prologues are just text, not video. They're pretty interesting, though, so I've started transcribing them. You can read Mr. Karate's here:
http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/KOF%3A_Maximum_Impact_2/Prologues
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Vincent_Vincent

Jan 20, 2013 11:53 pm GMT
Man, thats deep, thanks for the link.
4sakuraHa0

Jan 22, 2013 7:27 am GMT
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LordRattergun

Feb 2, 2013 11:44 pm GMT
I see.

My perspective of the story is changed quite a bit. Thanks everyone.
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