Glad I didn't listen to the haters

CatMuto posted...

tha_lopedawg posted...

What makes this game bad for me is the cliche and annoying characters most of which can be found in any generic anime [...]

And previous Link, Zeldas or Gannys weren't typical and cliché?

Nope. TWW Link & Ganon are both quite original.

Windwaker is where Zelda went wrong. That's when Nintendo decided that Zelda should be a game for kids and old folks. The graphics got cute while the challenge got the boot. TP brought back the serious tone in the graphics, but forgot to bring back the challenge. Without the challenge, Zelda has become nothing more than a time-consuming chore.

I actually like all Zelda games!!!!111 Well I still haven't played Zelda 2 or the CD-I games.

No, he isn't. They're the same person, but WW Ganon isn't the same character as OoT Ganon. You don't get it, do you? OoT Ganon was created to set up his development in WW. In TWW, we learned about things from Ganon's point of view and why he wanted to take over Hyrule. His story is really depressing, and because of that, he becomes an understandable/sympathetic villain

Regarding Link - where have you seen a 12 year old silent protagonist who uses a Baton to control the Wind?

CatMuto, let us review Ganon's life. Spoilers ahead.

He was a male Gerudo that's only born once every 100 years, making him the King. Pretty cool, right? As he goes on in life...Demise's hatred slowly begins to corrupt his soul. On top of this, the dude is living in the harsh climates of a desert, where they probably don't have much food or water (the Hylians probably wouldn't supply the Gerudo because of their reputation as thieves).

Ganondorf

My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing... Death.

Naturally, because of Demise's hatred and the harsh way he grew up, he'd want to take over Hyrule. To have the beautiful environments to himself.

He obtains the Triforce of Power, ends up taking on Link, and loses, having an ENTIRE CASTLE crash upon him. After that, he's transformed into a beast, is at the mercy of the Master Sword, and is stabbed (who knows how painful the bane of all evil is to an evil person). He's then sealed by the Sages.

Skip forward who knows how many years - Ganon is revived, and there is no hero. Naturally he'd be happy, right? No hero = Hyrule is at his mercy. The citizens of Hyrule pray, the Gods are made aware, and the world is flooded. Ganon was flooded when he finally had the chance, and his power was sealed due to the Master Sword.

Skip forward another who knows how many years - Ganon has returned, and there is once again no hero. However, his power is sealed, and his beloved Hyrule is gone. He drowned along with Hyrule, and now that he's returned, everyone is 'across a handful of islands, drifting on this sea like fallen leaves on a forgotten pool...' Eventually, a new hero is chosen (who would be TWW Link), and he's forced to get the Master Sword, returning all of Ganon's power.

Fortunately, Link and Zelda walk right into his lair. The Triforce he needs - to get his Kingdom back - is right infront of him. He's about to get them and guess what? Some Rito come in and save the day....yeah...

Anyway, he ends up with the full Triforce, about to make his wish, after these thousands and thousands of years, and the King of Hyrule jumps in, messes up his plans, and leaves Ganon in utter shame.

If that isn't a depressing story that makes him an understandable and phenomenal villain, then I don't know what is.

tl;dr: Ganon is a great, sympathetic villain with a good storyline and development.

So, basically, you ignore the fact that Nintendo actually put in the effort of making Ganon a real character that we can come to like, and would rather have had them continue to depict him as a boring, generic villain? That's all I'm getting from you.

LLL_Deadly posted...

We obviously have different opinions on what makes a good villain, because I thought Demise was better than Ghirahim (and arguably the best character in the game, with an exception of Groose), even though he didn't speak until the very end of the game. I used to think Ghirahim was pretty awesome because of how intimidating he was, but EVERY time you meet him he's making excuses. There's at least 5 occasions where he tells Link he'll kill him the next time they meet, and then runs off. Terribly written character.

Ghirahim ultimately needed Link alive so he could open up the second Gate of Time. Killing Link at the first Gate of Time once Zelda already got away would've completely ruined his backup plan.

Glad to finally see someone who likes Demise, though. I thought it was interesting how he was portrayed to be extremely graceful despite his hatred for the goddesses, as if he were a deity himself.