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10Jan 13

http://www.gamespot.com/news/nj-gov-violent-games-must-be-examined-6402163?tag=Topslot;Today039sGamingHeadlines;NjGovViolentGamesM

Unless I'm misreading this article, Chris Christie is not talking about banning games. He's talking about having parents talk to their kids about violent video games. I am all for this. The more we make this issue known, the less ignorant people will become. Honestly, whenever a tragedy happens and someone tries to blame video games, you know what we end up saying? "Blame the parents!" Well, that's what this whole talk thing that Christie's proposing is for. To get the parents involved for once.

We are gamers, so we're understandly upset. We have a fear that because people like Christie are trying to get parents to talk about games to their kids that it's somehow going to end up costing all of us our violent games. That won't happen, at least not yet. And most of you already know how I feel about violent games causing violence in children, but I am also an advocate of parent involvement. It's perfectly reasonable for the parents to set boundaries for their children, and if they think their kids are too young to play violent games, GOOD FOR THEM! They're doing their damn jobs! The moment we see parents moving for a call to ban violent games, then we have something to complain about (like the parent group in CT exchanging gift cards for games).

I'm just seeing all these comments in the news article about people instantly assuming that games are going to be taken from us. I'm seeing him attacked for being overweight. It's just making me shake my head. We really need to start calming down if we can't even take a minute to read a damn news article. Christie's just talking about talking, and yet we start insulting the guy because he's overweight. Have we not grown up yet?

While I got you here, I want to talk about something else, since I'm still on the topic of violent video games.

WARNING: The following video contains footage of an actual suicide.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6692-Desensitized-to-Violence

This is the latest issue of Jimquisition. Now, I know Sterling isn't respected by a lot of people because of his opinions on certain games, but let's put that aside for now. Sterling has presented a pretty shocking way of making it clear that violent video games don't desensitize us to real violence, or at least not on the same level as they're trying to make it seem. In fact, it can actually be argued that some are affected more when exposed to real violence because they've played so many violent games.

I'm blogging about his article because I feel that every gamer should have this video in their arsenal whenever the debate comes up that violent games desensitize us. In that video, Sterling shows us what real violence is actually like, and then talks about how we reacted towards it, while pointing out the ridiculousness of digital violence supposedly being much worse. He also brings up the wonderful point that the real perpetrator of violence is not media entertainment, but the news. When real violence happens, it's the ANCHORS constantly plastering it in our faces. If people don't like violent games, or media, or whatnot, they can just avoid them. How do you avoid real life violence when it's constantly on the news and in your morning paper?

I also know this may be a bit contradictory, because the first half of this blog was about the advocation for parents to talk to their kids about violent video games, but the former is about getting the parents to be aware of what their kids are playing. The latter is about the general idea that violent video games desensitizes any of us. I also want to end with this.I'm actually for any bill that calls for research into the link of violent video games to real life violence. Some may view it as wasted time and money, but if we honestly believe games aren't a factor, we have nothing to worry about. After all, wouldn't it be better if those concerned about the issue got some peace of mind? They can't take our words for it just because we post on a video game website.

36 comments
franzito
franzito

The governor's arguments just analyze the surface's problems and, for that, it requires more research on his part.

DiamondDM13
DiamondDM13

Great article. I don't mind Violent Media that much. But I can't stand real violence. Like it's been said, our brains distinguish both realities, and that is what makes the difference. I don't worry about my character's death in a game, not in the way I worry about my own life. In a game, I can take some bullets before dying. But in real life, most people would probably die at first or second shot. And that is disturbing. Most people are aware of how simple and easy it is to lose our lives, and that terrifies us...

I hate watching the news and seeeing all the violence. To see something that actually happens makes it uncorfortable, while watching something that doesn't happen doesn't really affect most people. Reason why we can still watch deaths in movies and so on, even though real people are presented there, the situations are not real.

ShadowMoses900
ShadowMoses900

It all comes down to the parents, they need to teach their kids right from wrong and I support them keeping violent content (whether it be games or movies etc...) out of the hands of minors (as in little kids, not teenagers). Little kids should not be exposes to those elements but it's the parents job to take responsibility.

Wanting to ban games is the same as wanting to ban guns, it's running away from the real issue.

Sokol4ever
Sokol4ever

It's not just the video games, certain movies, music and the whole entertainment medium is full of this type of holes. Personally, being a parent mysef, my kid at the moment is not yet old enough to grasp the idea of playing the video game, but I'm sure I won't put him into the dark room with Silent Hill when he is 2-3 years old...

When he grows up, parents are supposed to educate their kids on many aspects of life - the right and wrong.

This is who I personally blame, parents for lack of personal education and parenting in general. Then of course stupid ideas such as having weapons in the home which are available to everyone..

Well written, couldn't agree more. ;)

Colekern
Colekern

I completely agree with this. It's almost like you took the words out of my mouth.

-INKling-
-INKling-

I think on the surface getting parents to talk to their kids about violence in games seems a positive step but it's really sidestepping a crucial point which is the misconception that all games are made for kids including violent ones. Parents shouldn't need to be warning their kids about something that they shouldn't have access to in the first place (unless the parent thinks the child is mature enough to handle it). I guess it's pretty hard to restrict what kids can see but once this misconception that games developers can somehow include sex, drugs and violence in a game because it's a product for children is dispelled the rest is just misdirected.

As for an independent and fair enquiry into the effect of violent video games on people then that is an absolutely stellar idea. I am on board. Good call.

timdogg42069
timdogg42069

I also believe that if games are such a controversy over violence, then how come there's not as much controversy over violence in movies.  I mean damn, look at how some of these big time actors are betrayed.  I love it, but Samuel L. Jackson is one of the coolest mofo's ever and all he does is talk a bunch of shit, kick ass, and shoot people.  Same as Jason Statham he is insane in his movies, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in Mr. and Mrs. Smith even though it was a comedy look how much violence was in it.  I just don't understand and probably never will.

Suaron_x
Suaron_x

Video games involve participation by the user, movies are passive.  It's the difference between being a rapist and being a peeping tom.

timdogg42069
timdogg42069

@Suaron_x That's a good point I just hate how movies seem to be glorified for violence like Passion of the Christ was just a brutal movie but it's ok for so many reasons. Many people would get pissed bout that comment but I don't care because I think it's bullshit how society labels certain things as good for whatever reasons and others are horrible for stupid reasons.

timdogg42069
timdogg42069

I agree with the media constantly plastering bad things in our face over and over, that's why I no longer watch the news.  I watched a movie, I can't remember which but it was a documentary from a well known man, that shows how much the media in America does this over and over as a constant reminder almost to a depressing point.  However, in Canada they don't glorify the horrible things that happen, they will barely touch on the subject just so people know that something did happen, but will constantly talk about good things in the communities and country.  I'd rather it be like that here.  If you really would like to know as much information about rapists and murderers and such then you can look into it yourself and also look into some counseling at the same time.

Xander563
Xander563

That video is one of the best I've seen so far when it talks about gaming and violence. Good post.

faceless-mask
faceless-mask like.author.displayName 1 Like

He's also one of the few people who actually said the killer was mentally ill and should have been undergoing treatment, unlike half the other politicians talking about the shooting.

Sefrix
Sefrix ranger like.author.displayName 1 Like

Thankfully I can claim that I did not jump on the band wagon and actually commented on the article saying that he said the solution the the whole issue, and that's parents doing their job as a parent. Great blog and I couldn't' agree more.

Rheinmetal
Rheinmetal

There are age ratings for every game. Games, depending on their content are suitable for people over 3, 12, 16, or 18 years old. What Christie said is right: "I have four kids and I don't allow them to play Call of Duty or other violent games". I agree, I wouldn't allow it either if I had children of my own. But he is also telling us what we already know, that kids shouldn't play games that are made for adults. Instead of banning violent games, or any other witch-hunting stupidity, my suggestion to them is to follow strictly what the law about video games says, nothing more and nothing less.

buccomatic
buccomatic like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

perhaps if the gamespot writers did't use misleading title captions, for their stories, people wouldn't overreact.

JustPlainLucas
JustPlainLucas

@buccomatic Yeah... I misread the Dead Rising Dev's Next Game Has No Zombies article.  

buccomatic
buccomatic

@JustPlainLucas @buccomatic i actually skipped the whole article for the first hour of my post a thon session. and then when someone pointed it out, i went back and read it. but by that time i didn't even care anymore. lol.

waterproof9
waterproof9

Parents do need to be more aware of the things that their children are seeing, doing,eating, and hearing.  Being a parent is quite difficult nowadays, but that's no excuse for losing track of your kids.  Boundaries need to be set and the child needs to know that there will be consequences for breaking the rules.

Video games from a parents point of view should be no more foreign than eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  If you tell your kids that they can't have cake for breakfast, you can tell them that CoD is too violent and no you can not play it.  If you've done your job as a parent then your kids for the most part will listen to you.

Don't blame the games.  Don't blame the music. Don't blame the guns. And most definately, don't blame it on the rain.  Get involved in your child's life and you both will benefit.

Mr_Mark_Legion
Mr_Mark_Legion

nicely put. ive been gaming for more than 25years and ive seen it all when it comes to video games. the link u provided of the suicide actually was the same video in which i first saw real life death about 4 years ago. call me sensitive but that shit haunted me for days after seeing it. i even felt like i was gonna faint LOL. i never had my parents talk to me about video games...but i just had an understanding that its fake and what was right and wrong according to the society i grew up in.

LukeWesty
LukeWesty

I remember sat on my dads knee while playing Duke Nukem the origional... good times. lol

LukeWesty
LukeWesty

Well maybe not sat on his knee but was bout 8 or 9, personaly I think normal kids know its just a game

iowastate
iowastate ranger

@LukeWesty I wouldn't know - I don't think i know any normal kids or normal people for that matter.

I sure am not related to anyone who is normal

iowastate
iowastate ranger like.author.displayName 1 Like

get the parents involved and have them play video games with their kids which will  either make the games more enjoyable or have the kids going outside to play basketball or baseball.

  My nephew and I played Rugby 08, FIFA, Madden football and a variety of war games.  with the nieces, depending on which it was - it could be a racing game, Star Wars Battlefront, Finding Nemo/Narnia, or a Lord of the Rings.

 When the family all got together all the kids, one of the uncles, and me would have long sessions of gaming while the "adults" would be off in another room with booze and politics.

   We are well a well adjusted family on all fronts .  4 of the 5 kids are in college now.  4 of them are girls and each of the girls was able to start whipping me at gaming by the time she was in high school.

JustPlainLucas
JustPlainLucas like.author.displayName 1 Like

@iowastate Haha, nothing like getting your child to lose interest something that he knows he shouldn't be playing than actually playing it with him.  :lol:

iowastate
iowastate ranger

@JustPlainLucas @iowastate in Star Wars one of the nieces always whipped us by playing dark side  while one of the nieces  had me help in the "scary parts" of Finding Nemo and the Narnia games.

waterproof9
waterproof9 like.author.displayName 1 Like

@iowastate Sounds like my family.  My nieces always played with me.  And my mom could never drive the car.  LOL

iowastate
iowastate ranger

@waterproof9     Playing video games is  more fun than  card houses or Go Fish (Go Barbie using Barbie cards) which is what I did when they were little.    In the summer there was gliders or kites and soccer or baseball.    


TAMKFan
TAMKFan

In the end, it should be all up to the parents if their kids can play M rated games or not. Besides, the ratings games get is nothing more than a recommendation.

starduke
starduke like.author.displayName 1 Like

You gotta keep in mind that the minimum age to be on this site is 13 years old, and I'm betting there's kids on here that lied about their age. So, if their parents knew more about the games they are playing, and what's in them, their parents might just take them away. Serve 'em right to, especially if they tricked their parents into getting them the game in the first place.


Yeah, I have to say, I'm definitely desensitized to in-game violence, it's not real people, after all. However, I'm still freaked out and sickened by real world violence, because it is real people.

JustPlainLucas
JustPlainLucas like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@starduke Yeah, I will say I don't get fazed on what I see on the TV in movies or games.  I actually love the Saw movies and movies like them.  But, you try to get me to watch a hospital show where they show operations?  Forget it.  That makes me cringe. 

iowastate
iowastate ranger

@JustPlainLucas @starduke I enjoyed all the Saw movies - one of them even had something resembling a plot which is not necessary for that genre

iowastate
iowastate ranger

@starduke I have been on this profile since 2004 and I can remember at least 7 who were banned for being under 13.  I am sure there were more but that is all I knew personally.   

ShadowofSonic
ShadowofSonic like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Hmm, same here. I remember playing the orginal God of War for the very first time back in the day, and after playing it for a half hour I began feeling sick. And now, as graphics are better than ever in God of War 3, I don't even bat an eye. It's easy getting desensitized to in-game violence, however, real-world violence is still to be taken very seriously.

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