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DreamGoddess1

Jan 28, 2013 8:52 pm GMT
So we already went over how stupid the game is by not letting women and men wrestle each other. Now on to the next problem,

I went to create a custom storyline, and thankfully I checked this out before doing a bunch of parts. I wanted two of my CAW women to get together (as a tag team, against enemies, and then romantically), and tried to put them in the diva kiss scene together. I got the error "you put a diva in a superstar slot". Rejected.

This is incredibly frustrating. Again, this is a limitation that takes extra code to put in. That means they limited this purely on the basis of sexuality, all to stop players from having any homosexual storyline. Never mind that no one would be bothered by it they can't risk players being able to *gasp* do what they wanna do.

Way to go, WWE, you've alienated two sections of fans now. I know this isn't as big a deal as the other thing, but it ticked me off because I'd like my group at least capable of being represented.
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WrestlingRPGfan

Jan 28, 2013 8:53 pm GMT
Funny considering the WWE was promoting "HLA" on-screen just a few years ago.
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milkmanv1

Jan 28, 2013 8:59 pm GMT
Actually, it was 10 years ago, and it's a different product now. And again, it's a WWE mandated thing that men and women must stay in separate matches or gender tag, not a THQ/Yuke's decision. We had a guy who shared some behind-the-scenes stuff during his four-month internship working as a writer at WWE, and one thing he said was that WWE "does not even want to think about man-on-woman violence."

And no, it's not really a big deal. Considering how well WWE '13's selling, I don't think anyone's shedding tears about not being able to have their Zack vs. Eve dream match, besides TC of course.
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DreamGoddess1

Jan 28, 2013 9:25 pm GMT
milkmanv1 posted...
Actually, it was 10 years ago, and it's a different product now. And again, it's a WWE mandated thing that men and women must stay in separate matches or gender tag, not a THQ/Yuke's decision. We had a guy who shared some behind-the-scenes stuff during his four-month internship working as a writer at WWE, and one thing he said was that WWE "does not even want to think about man-on-woman violence."

And no, it's not really a big deal. Considering how well WWE '13's selling, I don't think anyone's shedding tears about not being able to have their Zack vs. Eve dream match, besides TC of course.

EDIT

My dream match, involving at least one WWE superstar, would actually be Mariko Yoshida vs. Daniel Bryan or Cheerleader Melissa vs. CM Punk.
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spikefreaky

Jan 29, 2013 3:08 am GMT
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Princess_Cakey

Jan 29, 2013 4:52 am GMT
Unfortunately if you want to have any kind of inter-gender interactions on this game you just gotta create transgender CAWs (which is easier said than done with the limited amount of women's clothing for guys)

In all honestly I'm surprised they didn't feel the need to remove what little clothing there was that would be deemed crossdressing and that guys can use female movesets.
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CJ_Flash_Man

Jan 29, 2013 5:20 am GMT
You do realize the WWE is a business right? They have to appeal to investors and advertisers. I'm not against men wrestling women, its been done all over the place. In the WWE, TNA, CHIKARA, over in Japan, Mexico, all over the place. But they have to adhere to guidelines and do things that aren't cost them money or merchandise deals. You can whine about the rating of the show or whine about this, but just accept it. I don't agree with it in theory, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. In all honesty, they don't have any women, well aside from like Natalya, that could even work with men. I'd rather see see them get their Diva's division in order and promoter a better women's product than they have now.
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Princess_Cakey

Jan 29, 2013 5:27 am GMT
CJ_Flash_Man posted...
You do realize the WWE is a business right? They have to appeal to investors and advertisers. I'm not against men wrestling women, its been done all over the place. In the WWE, TNA, CHIKARA, over in Japan, Mexico, all over the place. But they have to adhere to guidelines and do things that aren't cost them money or merchandise deals. You can whine about the rating of the show or whine about this, but just accept it. I don't agree with it in theory, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. In all honesty, they don't have any women, well aside from like Natalya, that could even work with men. I'd rather see see them get their Diva's division in order and promoter a better women's product than they have now.

Well the problem with the diva's division corresponds to this "No male on female" crud. Divas are viewed as prissy little china dolls that are too fragile to be powerslammed by any man who weighs more than 100 pounds.

I can understand something like the Dudley Boys powerbombing Mae Young off the stage through a table but as it stands in the game... heres an example. If you have two divas in the ring and one of them has a male manager and does the "Pull the rope down" trick you'll somehow be disqualified as if your manager was beating the everloving hell out of your female opponent.
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theonedalek

Jan 29, 2013 6:17 am GMT
Princess_Cakey posted...
CJ_Flash_Man posted...
You do realize the WWE is a business right? They have to appeal to investors and advertisers. I'm not against men wrestling women, its been done all over the place. In the WWE, TNA, CHIKARA, over in Japan, Mexico, all over the place. But they have to adhere to guidelines and do things that aren't cost them money or merchandise deals. You can whine about the rating of the show or whine about this, but just accept it. I don't agree with it in theory, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. In all honesty, they don't have any women, well aside from like Natalya, that could even work with men. I'd rather see see them get their Diva's division in order and promoter a better women's product than they have now.

Well the problem with the diva's division corresponds to this "No male on female" crud. Divas are viewed as prissy little china dolls that are too fragile to be powerslammed by any man who weighs more than 100 pounds.

I can understand something like the Dudley Boys powerbombing Mae Young off the stage through a table but as it stands in the game... heres an example. If you have two divas in the ring and one of them has a male manager and does the "Pull the rope down" trick you'll somehow be disqualified as if your manager was beating the everloving hell out of your female opponent.

The hole thing gets stranger when it's ok for Ice Ribbon (witch is a promotion intended for children) to havefully grown having matches with a 14 year old girl (and hilariously they job to to her) but it's not ok for wwe to have an adult women fight the men.
kayoticdreamz

Jan 29, 2013 1:39 pm GMT
spikefreaky posted...
Go and ***** yourself having come from a home where domestic violence was the norm I'm glad WWE don't endorse it, stop being so f****** selfish and actually think about what it would be saying is ok.

benevolent sexism look it up. essentially people treat one sex as great while condemning. in this case we tell ourselves it is good that men can't hit women while at the same time saying women and men are not equal and do not deserve equal rights. it is the same as saying you love your wife while saying she damn sure better stay in the kitchen or else.

so in all honesty you are the sexist one. and this mentality often breeds domestic violence because once again women are not allowed to step outside their roles but since the door is opened for them and they are treated "good" no one complains and calls everyone else the sexist which is ironic given they are the sexist ones themselves.

once again look up the term benevolent sexism.
Princess_Cakey

Jan 29, 2013 3:05 pm GMT
If you ask me weak women (90% of the current diva division) should be able to have matches with any male wrestler who qualifies as being in the Lightweight division. Chyna for example would be able to put on matches with your middleweights.

The main problem I see is quality of the championships. If women can wrestle for the Intercontinental title then if you ask me it should be allowed for a male wrestler to become the women's champion.

But you know what? If they stopped enforcing the unequality of the sexes in the WWE they could just eliminate the damn womens title and let them wrestle for the WWE title.

In all honesty the ordeal gives me a headache but simply put. Strong women should be allowed to fight men and try to get the WWE championship.
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Princess_Cakey

Jan 29, 2013 3:14 pm GMT
equality* of the championships I meant.
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rikkulu

Jan 29, 2013 4:08 pm GMT
Lol did the TC say she was gay? The closest thing to having a same gender romantic scene in this game is to give your 2 divas the Edge & Lita tag team entrance.
Princess_Cakey

Jan 29, 2013 4:30 pm GMT
rikkulu posted...
Lol did the TC say she was gay? The closest thing to having a same gender romantic scene in this game is to give your 2 divas the Edge & Lita tag team entrance.

Well he/she said they wanted to have a female tag team that as they go through the season start to love each other. But really... WWE is about the last place you want to look for anything being remotely Gay/Lesbian/Bi/Trans friendly.
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DreamGoddess1

Jan 29, 2013 7:35 pm GMT
spikefreaky posted...
Go and ***** yourself having come from a home where domestic violence was the norm I'm glad WWE don't endorse it, stop being so f****** selfish and actually think about what it would be saying is ok.

Hey, snapperhead, do you not know the difference between domestic violence and competition? You clearly don't. I don't advocate domestic violence in the least, but that has absolutely nothing to do with this.

I want women to be allowed to compete with men in the comfort of my own home with my created characters. I wanted my CAW female to beat the tar out of John Cena and other such things. Tell LuFisto that she had domestic violence done on her; she held a championship and defended against men for quite a while. Was it the CZW Iron Man Championship? I think so. That girl is more hardcore than anyone in WWE.

You're just sexist.

rikkulu posted...
Lol did the TC say she was gay? The closest thing to having a same gender romantic scene in this game is to give your 2 divas the Edge & Lita tag team entrance.

I didn't say that, but yes, I am. I think I'll take your advice on the Edge and Lita entrance, heh.

Wait, where are Edge and Lita? The list I see for mixed tag teams is this:

Mixed Tag Teams

1. Glamerella
2. Nitro & Melina
3. Knox & Kelly
4. Paul Burchill & Katie Lea
5. Face
6. Heel

Is it one of the others? Help would be lovely.
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boredofyou

Jan 30, 2013 2:48 am GMT
*shrugs*

I'm still holding the same position. You should be allowed to do all that TC. Anyone who doesn't want that in their game, don't set it up that way.

As far as the business angle goes.. If the object of the game is to get money then making your game appeal to as many folks as possible should be the obvious choice.

To the poster who complained about a possible like to domestic violence..
I'm sorry you went through that.
Please consider that a person who perpetrates those acts does not do so because they watched it in a game. That person does it because of a lack of personal self control.
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Copyright2011

Jan 30, 2013 5:10 am GMT
anybody that thinks people beat their spouses because of what happens in a game is an idiot. They should just let us run wild with the options and make the type of matches we want.
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Cpl_D_Hicks

Jan 30, 2013 6:17 am GMT
Its not at all surprising considering WWE is one of the most prejudiced & bigoted companies out there. The so called "anti bullying" campaigns are for PR purposes only.
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captainjeff87

Jan 30, 2013 6:25 am GMT
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spikefreaky

Jan 30, 2013 6:38 am GMT
DreamGoddess1 posted...
spikefreaky posted...
Go and ***** yourself having come from a home where domestic violence was the norm I'm glad WWE don't endorse it, stop being so f****** selfish and actually think about what it would be saying is ok.

Hey, snapperhead, do you not know the difference between domestic violence and competition? You clearly don't. I don't advocate domestic violence in the least, but that has absolutely nothing to do with this.

I want women to be allowed to compete with men in the comfort of my own home with my created characters. I wanted my CAW female to beat the tar out of John Cena and other such things. Tell LuFisto that she had domestic violence done on her; she held a championship and defended against men for quite a while. Was it the CZW Iron Man Championship? I think so. That girl is more hardcore than anyone in WWE.

You're just sexist.

Please, grow a brain, I'm sexist, wrestling isn't competition girl... do they allow intergender competition in boxing? NO, my sister can knock men the F' out, she's sparred and trained as a boxer with Pat Barrett, form European champion, pro wrestling is not a competition, also please don't bring CZW into any argument, it makes you seem rather simple.

Nature has not given women equal footing with men, just seriously before you start dictating what i said get a grip on reality, Intergender violence is not right, violence on a whole is pretty disgusting, and KIDs do not know that wrestling isn't reality, I never claimed that women wrestling men was domestic violence, I said it would be endorsing it, can you not read?

Violence from a man to a woman is wrong because as a rule of thumb, a Man is usually physically stronger than a woman and that is taking liberties(just like beating on a kid or a smaller person because you can), A woman should not hit a man, because if she does the man is likely to either A) feel social stigma and opt not to defend himself, or B) have a personal issue like myself and wouldn't be able to defend himself.

If you'd like further lessons on why male on female violence shouldnt be allowed in a family orientated product please go and educate yourself some, because quite frankly nothing I say is going to change your arrogant pro-feminst way of thinking - and that word doesn't mean man and women equals it means women crushing men, as shown by you're reasonings of "A woman destroying cena" Feminists want to oppress males, I've got no problem with equality, where applicable.

However maybe before you go spouting this total crap answer me this why are women:

on average 3-4 inches shorter than males.
on average smaller framed than males.
on average in need of less Kcals a day than males.
In general better at languages than males.
In general worse at spatial awareness than males.

all of those things are through nature and thus the first two are why intergender violence is not appropiate, I'm smarter than you blatantly but not because you're a woman because you're an arrogant self righteous person who has serious entitlement issues...
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